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michigandem58

(1,044 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:15 AM Sep 2013

How Obama Derangement Syndrome is unlike that of Bush

Last edited Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:44 PM - Edit history (2)

This is the Barack Obama Group.

...Obama Derangement Syndrome is different because it’s all-consuming. Nothing that he does can be credited. Everything he does must be deligitimized. He has to be shown as an empty suit, a buffoon, a clown, an incompetent, someone good at entertaining with speeches but completely out of his depth at governing...

...But from even before his inauguration, Obama has had to face an insurgency to his left. This is a left which hasn’t had power in this country to any great degree; it’s a Left which exists to live in opposition; it’s a Left which has as maximalist a position as the Right, where anyone who doesn’t adhere strictly to every ideological tenet is not only suspect, but “not a real liberal”, a “centrist”, a “third wayer”. It’s a Left represented heavily in the blogosphere, and to a small extent in the Democratic caucus in Congress. It’s a Left which believes it elected Obama, and demands that he hew to its precepts. When he doesn’t—when he often strikes out on his own path towards what he thinks is best for the country—it turns apoplectic, calling him the kinds of names one thinks is the purview of the Right. Because Obamacare wasn’t single payer, it encouraged Democrats to stay home in 2010, handing the House to the GOP. Because Bush lied us into war in Iraq, it immediately thinks that Obama is doing the same with Syria, and will take the word of a Russian leader who passes laws stigmatizing gays and who jails journalists to its own president, who has spent the entire Syrian civil war keeping the US out of it. It’s a Left so unknowledgeable of the ways in which politics work that it believes if it screeches loudly enough the nation will swell behind it. It is a Left as distrustful and condescending towards the black guy in the White House as is the Right...

In the end, Obama upends the grifts on both sides. He puts paid to the Right’s notion that Democrats are incompetent, corrupt, and have no love of country. The Left would rather be in opposition and keep the money rolling in; it doesn’t know what to do with power, so when Obama works on fixing the things the Left screeches about, he takes away their raison d’etre. He is a threat to the careful political dance which has obtained in DC since the days of Ronald Reagan. It’s the job of his supporters, and of any American who wants to see a country which is more just and doesn’t lurch from crisis to crisis, to make sure that he continues to succeed.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/09/how-obama-derangement-syndrome-is.html

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How Obama Derangement Syndrome is unlike that of Bush (Original Post) michigandem58 Sep 2013 OP
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #1
The backlash against Bush was based on reality rurallib Sep 2013 #2
+1 n/t Triana Sep 2013 #4
"when the left criticizes Obama for legitimate purposes...they get thrown in with the RW crazies" BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #7
I see many of the purist's same arguments against Obama Cryptoad Sep 2013 #14
Yes, the real crazy was when DADT repeal passed treestar Sep 2013 #43
There's a way to fix that rlegro Sep 2013 #22
This is posted in The Barack Obama Group. We are a group not a forum. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #64
+1,000,000 Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #27
Absolutely. Obama hasn't lied us into war gopiscrap Sep 2013 #58
Hahah. Awesome... SidDithers Sep 2013 #3
Beware: The OP doesn't want debate, just provoking to get advertising hits from traffic to his blog. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #5
This is the BOG Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #53
It does not offend me. The OP comes to DU to promote his blog and that is the only thing. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #61
With respect, you don't know the owner of the blog. Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #63
Yes, There is that kind of left, and that kind of right. Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #6
People will reject this thoughtful essay out of hand bc of where it came from mcar Sep 2013 #8
+1 SunSeeker Sep 2013 #10
wrong Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #55
How is he continuing to succeed (your summary sentence)? DhhD Sep 2013 #9
Could it be by listening to the Right, We the People, and to the Left in Congress DhhD Sep 2013 #12
Warning! This posted in the BOG. We are a group not a forum. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #66
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2013 #11
oops, didn't see this was the bog. KG Sep 2013 #13
Thank you KG. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #73
He's a different kind of President... fadedrose Sep 2013 #15
For eight years I thought they were extremely unhappy with bush...... George II Sep 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author SylviaD Sep 2013 #17
It's never the same behavior though treestar Sep 2013 #45
This is a BOG post. We are a group not a forum. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #65
Nailed it... SidDithers Sep 2013 #18
Exactly! +1000 VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #26
Malcontents. FSogol Sep 2013 #33
I don't think "screeches" is a useful word bhikkhu Sep 2013 #19
There is a LOT of truth here, BUT DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #20
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mahalo DonCoquixote Cha Sep 2013 #70
Tasty! Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #21
Like comparing apples to plastic oranges LiberalLovinLug Sep 2013 #23
there is nothing "moderate" about them... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #28
Yes because it is so radical LiberalLovinLug Sep 2013 #48
we GOT a change to the healthcare industry...it's not as radical has you had hoped...but there it is VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #49
No he did not. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author marmar Sep 2013 #24
This is a BOG Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #52
Why even use a phrase used by right wingers n/t Tveil Sep 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Pholus Sep 2013 #29
Again this is the BOG Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #39
Oops, you are absolutely right. My apologies. Pholus Sep 2013 #40
The thing that gets me is when Mr.Bill Sep 2013 #30
Good analysis. Much ODS feels like Glennbeckistan. freshwest Sep 2013 #31
I wish you would stop promoting that blog on DU. If people want to read that blog totodeinhere Sep 2013 #32
Now that I can see this thread Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #36
I specifically said that I am not a mod. So why do you accuse me of pretending to be totodeinhere Sep 2013 #41
Trash the group by clicking on the trash can Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #50
No one is putting a gun to anyone's head to read Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #42
That's what makes me angry Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #54
I love when they slink off to ATA to complain... SidDithers Sep 2013 #56
It still blows my mind away that they did that Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #59
Hi Coolest. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #72
Maybe I should spend some time there. I don't pay attention to it as this one Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #76
Well, as I've said before ... Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #71
Why is it wrong to promote a pro Democratic blog on DU? treestar Sep 2013 #46
Because that blog hides behind support of the president as a means to attack progressives. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #47
well if you don't like what we post in the BOG Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #51
What the real left is about. A post from 'Time For Change", go west young man Sep 2013 #34
I wanted to post one other article go west young man Sep 2013 #35
A REMINDER TO ALL YOU NAYSAYERS Coolest Ranger Sep 2013 #37
edited - did not notice this was a BOG post, sorry!!!!! djean111 Sep 2013 #38
Fortunately, his real "supporters" have always had his back, which is the.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #44
Great post gopiscrap Sep 2013 #57
derangement= claiming to be anti war and then angry and bitter there is no war JI7 Sep 2013 #60
Obama Derangement Syndrome can be cured shenmue Sep 2013 #62
I rec'd your OP but am still putting out an SOS to mods to terminate the troll invaders. IrishAyes Sep 2013 #68
There was no such thing as Bush Derangement Syndrome. Hissyspit Sep 2013 #69
Why does this remind me of the"War on Christmas" . . . snot Sep 2013 #74
AMEN!! When I use the term, it is nothing like how it was used in reference to Dumbya! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #75

rurallib

(63,178 posts)
2. The backlash against Bush was based on reality
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:29 AM
Sep 2013

the backlash on Obama is based mostly on lies and fairy tales dreamed up by the likes of Fox, Limbaugh, tea baggers and World Nutz daily.

Sadly therefore when the left criticizes Obama for legitimate purposes (Larry Summers comes to mind) they get thrown in with the RW crazies for being critical.

BumRushDaShow

(141,769 posts)
7. "when the left criticizes Obama for legitimate purposes...they get thrown in with the RW crazies"
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:17 AM
Sep 2013

When the "far left" uses the RW lunatic's same talking points, yes, they will get thrown in with the RW crazies.

There are many examples here on DU where these folks were certain that -

  • The Iraq War would continue
  • No healthcare law would be passed at all because of what happened with "Hillarycare"
  • No efforts would be made for financial re-regulation
  • The Bush Tax cuts would NOT expire
  • Don't Ask Don't Tell would NOT be eliminated
  • The entire route of the Keystone Pipeline was going to get an immediate slam-dunk approval

    and on and on.
  • Cryptoad

    (8,254 posts)
    14. I see many of the purist's same arguments against Obama
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:50 AM
    Sep 2013

    Last edited Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:31 PM - Edit history (1)

    being used on sites like Red State dot com.. et al; ,,,, Sometimes i wonder how "pure" their credentials really are! .

    treestar

    (82,383 posts)
    43. Yes, the real crazy was when DADT repeal passed
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:11 PM
    Sep 2013

    and the bill went to Obama and there were actually posts indicating he would not sign it!

    rlegro

    (339 posts)
    22. There's a way to fix that
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:38 PM
    Sep 2013

    The left should continue to feel free to criticize Obama, but in more nuanced, diplomatic and (dare I say it?) even respectful ways that don't serve the interests of the right wing. That isn't because people shouldn't ever be angry; it's about not undermining your own cause by letting your voice be appropriated. There are many legitimate ways to register disapproval and propose alternatives that don't also undermine the one essential guy now keeping the barbarians outside the gate.

    Does Obama gyrate toward compromise and "New Democrat" positions? Yeah. Should people protest in mryiad ways? Of course. Should they allow themselves to become tools of those representing repressive interests? Nope.

    Obama may be imperfect and unsatisfying, but he's not the enemy. Treating him like one only helps to ensure a never-ending parade of our true enemies taking more control over this country. In war, it is euphemistically called "collateral damage." Killing Obama politically is exactly the wrong approach. So don't get mad, and don't seek to get even; instead, get a move on.

    sheshe2

    (87,309 posts)
    64. This is posted in The Barack Obama Group. We are a group not a forum.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:21 PM
    Sep 2013

    We do not believe this President to be "unsatifying.

    The mission of the Barack Obama Group is to discuss information and news about the life, career, accomplishments, and presidency of Barack Obama; to provide a haven for those members of Democratic Underground who support the president and his policies; to discuss President Obama's policy positions, speeches, interviews, and other public appearances; to discuss President Obama's political campaigns; and to discuss the causes which President Obama has championed, including health care reform and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Those who have a generally negative view of President Obama and his administration, support his defeat in the 2012 presidential election (in primaries or the general election), or who are generally supportive of those who do, are not welcome in the Barack Obama Group.


    Please post your thoughts in GD.

    gopiscrap

    (24,164 posts)
    58. Absolutely. Obama hasn't lied us into war
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 05:05 PM
    Sep 2013

    Obama didn't steal a presidency, twice
    Obama didn't fuck over the federal judicial selection system
    Obama didn't tank our economy
    Obama didn't let 4,000 people die in a terrorist attack on our soil
    Obama didn't fuck up recovery for a major American city after a hurricane.

    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    53. This is the BOG
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:07 PM
    Sep 2013

    We support the President and his policies here. if this offends you, please take your comments to general discussion. Thank you.

    Bernardo de La Paz

    (50,857 posts)
    61. It does not offend me. The OP comes to DU to promote his blog and that is the only thing.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 05:44 PM
    Sep 2013

    He doesn't stick around for debate and discussion. He doesn't engage. He posts and runs to scoop up his advertising hits. Note how despite the time that has passed, he has not made a single reply in this thread, let alone any reply of substance.

    P.S. He isn't always supportive of the president.

    P.P.S. Personally, I think Obama is a great President, especially considering the ridiculous, relentless obstructionism of the Republicans.

    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    63. With respect, you don't know the owner of the blog.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:13 PM
    Sep 2013

    I have talked to him. that was written at a difficult time in his life. he has since matured and has decided to support the President one hundred percent. Now, I'm not a host or moderator but i do know how to grab a hold of one when I need to. It's great that you respect the President, cool but don't judge the owner of the blog. he's a cool guy when you sit down and talk to him.

    mcar

    (43,454 posts)
    8. People will reject this thoughtful essay out of hand bc of where it came from
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:24 AM
    Sep 2013

    Same people who praised Putin's op-ed and encouraged all to read it despite where it came from.

    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    55. wrong
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:22 PM
    Sep 2013

    people will not reject this essay. This is the BOG. If you wish to talk negatively about the President, take it to general discussion.

    DhhD

    (4,695 posts)
    12. Could it be by listening to the Right, We the People, and to the Left in Congress
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:43 AM
    Sep 2013

    which is the opposite of your OP thesis statement (and title); in my opinion.

    sheshe2

    (87,309 posts)
    66. Warning! This posted in the BOG. We are a group not a forum.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:29 PM
    Sep 2013
    The mission of the Barack Obama Group is to discuss information and news about the life, career, accomplishments, and presidency of Barack Obama; to provide a haven for those members of Democratic Underground who support the president and his policies; to discuss President Obama's policy positions, speeches, interviews, and other public appearances; to discuss President Obama's political campaigns; and to discuss the causes which President Obama has championed, including health care reform and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Those who have a generally negative view of President Obama and his administration, support his defeat in the 2012 presidential election (in primaries or the general election), or who are generally supportive of those who do, are not welcome in the Barack Obama Group.


    Please take your comments to GD.
    Thank you.

    fadedrose

    (10,044 posts)
    15. He's a different kind of President...
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:07 PM
    Sep 2013

    No matter what happens, I always have faith that he's doing the right thing, which might take longer sometimes, but he gets there.

    Let's all wish him luck on the debt-ceiling-budget fight coming up...

    George II

    (67,782 posts)
    16. For eight years I thought they were extremely unhappy with bush......
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:08 PM
    Sep 2013

    ....and now I see that they're simply extremely unhappy with everything. Sad.

    Response to George II (Reply #16)

    sheshe2

    (87,309 posts)
    65. This is a BOG post. We are a group not a forum.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:25 PM
    Sep 2013
    The mission of the Barack Obama Group is to discuss information and news about the life, career, accomplishments, and presidency of Barack Obama; to provide a haven for those members of Democratic Underground who support the president and his policies; to discuss President Obama's policy positions, speeches, interviews, and other public appearances; to discuss President Obama's political campaigns; and to discuss the causes which President Obama has championed, including health care reform and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Those who have a generally negative view of President Obama and his administration, support his defeat in the 2012 presidential election (in primaries or the general election), or who are generally supportive of those who do, are not welcome in the Barack Obama Group.


    Take it to GD, you insult the BOG with your comments. Fair warning!
     

    VanillaRhapsody

    (21,115 posts)
    26. Exactly! +1000
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:52 PM
    Sep 2013

    they are unhappy with ANY government....many are Anarchists and that explains that! (some even proudly proclaim it).

    bhikkhu

    (10,755 posts)
    19. I don't think "screeches" is a useful word
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:24 PM
    Sep 2013

    or that the left is involved in a self-interested position to "keep the money rolling in". What money?

    On the other hand, there is some basis for the argument. I think rather that the inability to support Obama or effectively work within the government is a symptom of "permanent minority" status. That was pretty well solidified during the bush years. When a faction or an individual has no power or responsibility, it is free to form its ideologies and worldviews without the need to ever work out or live with the consequences.

    For instance, letting the banks and corporations fail was one desire of the left during the big recession. They could justify that by looking at the roles of some banks in creating the problem, and then that their failure would be just reward. But what would be the consequences? GM and Chrysler and several other US corporations would have been bankrupted. Their employees (union and otherwise) would have joined the unemployment lines. The void would have been filled by foreign manufacture. On the banking side, what would a complete financial meltdown look like, versus one that was turned around quickly by the stimulus programs? What was the real bottom for our economy in free-all? For the vast majority of people, it would be much worse than the slow recovery that we have had. Obama, in a position of responsibility, never had the luxury of advocating for "just let them fail".

    I think of it as the difference between the freedoms of powerlessness and the responsibilities of good government. One can freely believe all sorts of absurd and ineffective things if one never has to implement them and live with the consequences.

    Things could be better, especially if we had a congress that was in any way effective, but that itself is the result of the choices of people at the voting booths. Powerlessness breeds and spreads malaise and discontent (a habit of both the left and the right), both of which lead to poor voter turnouts and (in practice) more republicans in congress. The antidote is education, which the left has been particularly poor at providing.

    DonCoquixote

    (13,702 posts)
    20. There is a LOT of truth here, BUT
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:35 PM
    Sep 2013

    I truly loved this OP, as it explains a lot of the frustration I have with certain factions. I still remember being in Florida, having Nader voters yell at me after elections day, because they had heard the folks on right wing talk Radio brag about how they used the Naderites to make sure Gore Lost. Of course, their yelling at me was pre-emptive, even though I was holding back my "are you happy now" speech. As a note, I have heard all versions of the "Nader did not cost Gore the election" speech, and I will not ignore the simple math. Yes, a third party vote may be just fine in California, but as a resident of that one swing state, I KNOW I cannot treat voting as a game.

    So when Obama turned out to be less leftish, I held my breath. After all, a lot of the Socialists still hate FDR with a passion, because he "saved capitalism" rather than let it die so that we could have that Fourth Communist International Comrade Trotsky promised us. Social Security was slammed as not being strong enough, yet it matured, so I was willing to see if ACA would bear the same fruit.

    HOWEVER, the problem is, Obama turned into Bill Clinton, which is to say, someone who really, really thinks the Right is just misguided, the idea that "there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America." The bad part of that is, it prevents us from healing the really deep flaws, namely the money worship and sacrament of war. Until Money and War are seen as tools, and not our reason for being, we can and will drift rightward, because we are playing the right's game on their turf, where they have the table tilted rightward. Obama has proven that he is not interested in replacing the table, he may do about 60 percent of the right thing, but only after a LOT of PRESSURE is placed, and even then, he always tries to curry the favor of those mythical "centrists" that the right has successfully compromised.

    So,I have no problem putting pressure, because that is what works, that includes criticism,and my wallet. However, just because I see that the DLC is full of shit does not mean I do not see where people will use the FRONT of criticism just to snipe at everything not them.

    Let me be real Blunt:

    Jane Hamsher, I look forward to you making excuses for Hillary Clinton when she governs to Obama's right, doing things you would have made cute Racial jokes about Obama for doing.

    Glenn Greenwald: All your civil liberty crap will mean nothign when the companies you like to worship do everything the Feds do and far, far worse. Until you apologize for your defense of Citizens United, which downgraded the very value of a person to just another corporate asset, I will not take you seriously, even if you drunkenly stumble into truth.

    Medea Benjamin: I admired you until you made that valentine to Ron Paul. Care to explain to women why you had to enable one of the strongest Anti-Choice advocates? You could have easily called RP that "broken clock right twice a day" without a Valentine.

    Arriana Huffington: You sure love giving Grover Norquist and Mark Penn space to bash Obama. If you think that I will forget the days when you were the Belle of the Right Wing ball, you are wrong.

    Ted Rall: The supposed hard left communist that whines that the internet ruined his payday, and who slammed OWS and the Egyptians because they did not kill people. Who made use of the right wing slurs like calling Obama an example of "affirmative action."

    I could go on and on, especially with Ralph "I have no problem taking right wing money" Nader.

    And it is not that I do not see we need a hard left, but sadly, we have a lot less Bernie Sanders, people who try to explain to people what is happening, and a LOT more Dennis Kucinich, someone who will gladly take a payday on Fox network because it gives them a point to slam Obama, even though they hear Karl Rove popping champagne in the back room, because we load our circular firing squad again!

    LiberalLovinLug

    (14,364 posts)
    23. Like comparing apples to plastic oranges
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:43 PM
    Sep 2013

    BushCo. appeared moderate in his primary "No regime change type wars of agression"
    Obama appeared moderate from the beginning "There are no red states or blue states only the United States.."

    But that's where they veered.

    Once Bush got in he thumbed his nose at the left. And vigorously pursued his neo-con PNAC agenda, while pampering his whacky Christos-fascist base to drown out voices of discontent. Forced out every moderate (the first was Paul O'Neil)

    Once Obama got in he did not ignore the idiots on the right and also thumbed his nose at the left. His Chief of Staff called them "fucking retards". He decided he had to prove he wasn't just a lefty community organizer and bent over backwards to deliver the white flag to the frothing Republicans on the other side on issue after issue.

    You know very well there was nothing but rapturous support from the left when he was first elected. He had the political capital and then some to ignore the backlash on FOX News (It didn't help because they just made up stuff to fill in for any REAL progressive stubbornness on his part) and push for things like Single Payer. If he would have achieved a Public Option...THAT is the moderate alternative most on the left would have accepted. In fact even if he had FOUGHT for it he would have garnered respect. At one time he said he would accept losing a second term to fight for what at the time was assumed, a public option.

    You paint the moderate left as extremists. Because, in the case of healthcare, they only wanted what every other western democracy has - a Single Payer system....and even THEN were willing to accept a Public Option compromise. How is this extreme or anything like the birther/tea bagger racists onslaught from day one?

    There was an incredible opportunity historically when he was elected to truly move the county forward, and Obama decided that it was to his benefit to play the Washington bubble game instead. You come across as rebuking those that can't just accept that at least he is better than having Dick Cheney as President. Sorry I expected a little more. Just because the GOP has slid off all the way into la la land to the far far right, does not mean Obama had to then slide right to fill in the gap behind them. He, and the country, missed a great opportunity. Of course many are hurt and sad about that.

     

    VanillaRhapsody

    (21,115 posts)
    28. there is nothing "moderate" about them...
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:53 PM
    Sep 2013

    they want "radical" and if they don't get their "radical" they will commit all kinds of acts of poutrage!

    LiberalLovinLug

    (14,364 posts)
    48. Yes because it is so radical
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:45 PM
    Sep 2013

    to even hope for a quasi-public medical insurance system with a public option....not even as RADICALLY SOCIALIST as Canada and every other western democracy that offers its citizens a single payer system and regards health as a right and not a privilege.





     

    VanillaRhapsody

    (21,115 posts)
    49. we GOT a change to the healthcare industry...it's not as radical has you had hoped...but there it is
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:51 PM
    Sep 2013

    not having that is ALL Obama's fault right? Not a single Republican would dare stand in the way...

    sheshe2

    (87,309 posts)
    67. No he did not.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:53 PM
    Sep 2013

    "He decided he had to prove he wasn't just a lefty community organizer and bent over backwards to deliver the white flag to the frothing Republicans on the other side on issue after issue."

    This is Posted in the Barack Obama Group.We area Group not a forum. You have been at DU since 2005, you know the groups rules. Your comments are better suited to GD.

    Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

    Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    39. Again this is the BOG
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:08 PM
    Sep 2013

    If you want to post negative views against the President and his policies, take it to GD please.

    Pholus

    (4,062 posts)
    40. Oops, you are absolutely right. My apologies.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:20 PM
    Sep 2013

    I need to remove BOG from my subscriptions.

    Did so and self deleted.

    Mr.Bill

    (24,772 posts)
    30. The thing that gets me is when
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:01 PM
    Sep 2013

    people say he hates America and is purposely trying to destroy it. Why would anyone want to even live in a country that he hates, much less be president of it?

    Conversely, I always found it interesting that they cheered Reagan when he said "Government isn't the solution to our problems, it is the problem." Really, Ronnie? So you want to be in charge of the problem?

    Ronald Reagan said more about hating America than Obama ever has.

    totodeinhere

    (13,275 posts)
    32. I wish you would stop promoting that blog on DU. If people want to read that blog
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:09 PM
    Sep 2013

    they can go there and read it. We don't need the same thing re-posted over here too. I don't own DU and I am not a moderator, so if I am presumptuous to say this I'm sorry. But I think that comments solely intended to promote another site and get hits for that site should be banned, especially when that site is constantly bashing progressives and I thought that DU was supposed to be a safe place for progressives to make comments without being constantly harassed by right wing talking points.

    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    36. Now that I can see this thread
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:06 PM
    Sep 2013

    If you don't like a link, DON'T CLICK ON IT. You're not the admin so stop pretending like you are an admin. I happen to like that sight and I enjoy the people who hang out over there. They are hard working democrats who love and support the President.

    totodeinhere

    (13,275 posts)
    41. I specifically said that I am not a mod. So why do you accuse me of pretending to be
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:40 PM
    Sep 2013

    a mod? I pretended no such thing. And as far as not clicking on it goes, I couldn't have known that the OP was a reposting from that blog until I had already clicked on it. So I think that your criticisms are totally unfounded.

    Edit - I did not realize that this thread was posted in the BOG. I wish there could be some way to make that fact more obvious so that people like me won't mistakenly post in that group.

    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    50. Trash the group by clicking on the trash can
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:04 PM
    Sep 2013

    I rather you do that then to continue to post your negative thoughts in the group. Again, if you want to trash talk the President, take it to general discussion please.

    Summer Hathaway

    (2,770 posts)
    42. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head to read
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:55 PM
    Sep 2013

    anything.

    In the past two weeks, I have seen links to The Daily Caller (Tucker Carlson's RS site) and The Blaze (Glen Beck's RW site) posted here as legitimate sources for news stories.

    The first thing I see when I log-on to DU is a click-through ad about impeaching Obama, and another claiming to know Obama's 'dirty secrets'.

    So complaining about links to a site that actually supports the Democratic president is rather ridiculous - but somehow not surprising.





    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    54. That's what makes me angry
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:09 PM
    Sep 2013

    about the naysayers. They have ALL of General Discussion to trash talk the President, but they feel the need to come into our little area to drain our happiness.

    SidDithers

    (44,252 posts)
    56. I love when they slink off to ATA to complain...
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:58 PM
    Sep 2013

    about the mean old BOG HOSTS not allowing them to spew their hate in this group.



    Sid

    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    59. It still blows my mind away that they did that
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 05:14 PM
    Sep 2013

    I read the links someone posted and was shocked. Speechless even

    sheshe2

    (87,309 posts)
    72. Hi Coolest.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:17 PM
    Sep 2013

    ATA has become a daily read for me, for that very reason. I do however like Skinner's responses.

    sheshe~

    Summer Hathaway

    (2,770 posts)
    71. Well, as I've said before ...
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:53 PM
    Sep 2013

    You have to consider what kind of person knows they can literally say anything they want about Obama in GD and elsewhere, but feels compelled to post in the ONE small corner of the site where they are not welcome to do so.

    treestar

    (82,383 posts)
    46. Why is it wrong to promote a pro Democratic blog on DU?
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:17 PM
    Sep 2013

    That says more about your strange expectations of DU than anything else. You don't want some point of view promoted? You believe in suppressing views you don't agree with, even without the umbrella of Democratic?

    totodeinhere

    (13,275 posts)
    47. Because that blog hides behind support of the president as a means to attack progressives.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:21 PM
    Sep 2013

    And again I need to repeat that when I made my initial comment I didn't realize that the OP was posted in the BOG.

    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    51. well if you don't like what we post in the BOG
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:05 PM
    Sep 2013

    Please kindly trash the group so you don't have to read it. We want positive blogs and articles about the President in our group. If you don't like it, please don't comment here. Take your negativity to general discussion please. Thank you.

     

    go west young man

    (4,856 posts)
    34. What the real left is about. A post from 'Time For Change",
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:20 PM
    Sep 2013

    in my mind one of the best and most liberal DU'ers we have. Although he only posts once in a while these days. It's Titled "I'm Proud To Be a Liberal" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x779649 I hope he doesn't mind me using it.

    I believe us liberals have reasonable expectations and your post is far off the mark. I believe our expectations are what DU was founded on. It has grown more centrist since 2008. I also believe the color of President Obama's skin is often used as excuse to protect him from criticism of his policies. Even you cite "the black guy" in the White House. He's done some good things and he's done some things that fall short. I love Jimmy Carter but it doesn't mean he's perfect in my eyes and can do no wrong. Although if there was one president that was almost as good as FDR it would probably be Carter in my mind. Obama could have enacted a New Deal after the economic crisis but instead chose to deal with the banksters and give them a free pass. So be it. It is what it is. But when you write that we on the left can never be happy it is simplistic and silly. Most of the progress the US has made in the previous century was pushed for by we on the left. The fight never stops no matter who is the president.

     

    go west young man

    (4,856 posts)
    35. I wanted to post one other article
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:33 PM
    Sep 2013

    that shows the juxtaposition of the hard left and the powers that be and how we can coexist. It's the story of a federal agent who lost his life.

    http://blogs.laweekly.com/arts/2013/09/burning_man_temple.php "The Day the Man came to Burning Man"

    Coolest Ranger

    (2,034 posts)
    37. A REMINDER TO ALL YOU NAYSAYERS
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:07 PM
    Sep 2013

    This is the BOG. We love and support his policies and we support this President. I can't speak for Cha, sheshe OR any other moderators here but if you want to be negative towards the President, take it to General Discussion.

    Tarheel_Dem

    (31,443 posts)
    44. Fortunately, his real "supporters" have always had his back, which is the....
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:11 PM
    Sep 2013

    reason he consistently remains in the mid 40's in job approval. Nearly 80% of Democrats still approve of his performance, and that number is usually higher with "Liberal" Democrats.

    As celebrated black author, Zora Neal Hurston once said, "All my skin folk ain't my kin folk". That sentiment applies to Democratic family as well.

    IrishAyes

    (6,151 posts)
    68. I rec'd your OP but am still putting out an SOS to mods to terminate the troll invaders.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:26 PM
    Sep 2013

    If it were left to me, I'd permanently ban every single last one of them the instant they start their crap. No modeling patient behavior for them because they'll ALWAYS push to the limit. Don't need to name names... the mods can tell who they are easily enough.

    You've touched on a subject close to my heart. The Far Left no longer claims me because I'm a solidarity Democrat in relation to this president. Luckily they don't get to define me - I know what I want and what I believe, they don't have a say in it. I'm sure President Obama wants more for us than any miracle worker could accomplish (especially by himself w/o supporters showing up to vote!), and I see no reason at all to castigate him for working with and living in reality as it exists NOW. Regardless of what we see as ideal, we need to keep our feet on the ground and our shoulders to the wheel WITH HIM.

    Maybe I should change my sig line to "BAN THE TROLLS!"

    Hissyspit

    (45,790 posts)
    69. There was no such thing as Bush Derangement Syndrome.
    Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:35 PM
    Sep 2013

    There is absolutely no reason to give the concept credence.

     

    Liberal_Stalwart71

    (20,450 posts)
    75. AMEN!! When I use the term, it is nothing like how it was used in reference to Dumbya!
    Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:02 AM
    Sep 2013

    This article sums it up well. With permission, I would love to include in my siggie because I still believe that racism (both psychological and deliberate) plays a very important role in how this president has been treated. I believe that it is the underlying cause of ODS.

    I will go to my grave believing this.

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