Barack Obama
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Yes, you can rightfully blame Obama for his appointments to the FCC that brought upon the potential of internet changes. I believe that's fair game. However, some people are taking it a step further - acting as if Obama should step in and block the policy change himself.
He can't do that.
I've even seen people say the FCC, DEA, CIA and NSA are part of his cabinet.
They are not.
The federal government is set up in a way for a reason. The FCC, the Federal Reserve, FBI and other agencies are independent of the U.S. government, and the Executive Branch, for a reason - they don't want a conflict of interest. Obama doesn't have much say when it comes to issues involving those agencies because he lacks the power to have that influence.
Ironically, those who are demanding he do something also attack the GOP for pushing the idea that Obama ordered the IRS to audit conservative groups. We know that's bunk because it's overreaching his power. Well, this would be no different - and it's not like this is new. Look at how Kennedy clashed with the FBI (Hoover) and wanted to dismantle the CIA. But often those organizations are their own government, running things without approval from Congress and the President. But it's also no different than the Fed. When Janet Yellen wants to raise interest rates or trim their stimulus, she doesn't need permission from the President or Congress and, regardless of what some think, the President shouldn't interject because he has no authority there.
Back in 2012, during Obama's reelection campaign, the right-wing blogs pushed the narrative that Ben Bernanke was trying to help Obama win reelection by announcing, in September of that year, $40 billion worth in asset purchases. The idea was that Obama pushed him to do that to help bolster stocks and offer further economic recovery.
That's why it's important to have a wall between the Executive Branch and other agencies independent of the federal government - because then the president doesn't look like he's gaming the system to help him politically.
Remember the hubbub over the BLS supposedly cooking the jobs report in October of 2012? Yeah - that was trash too. But what DUers are pushing is basically the same idea. Basically, demanding the President exert authority that isn't there to push an agenda they agree with.
Then they suggest he should fire 'em. Well, let's remember the FCC is more than just one man. It's got a committee and that committee votes on the changes. So, just firing Thomas Wheeler wouldn't do anything - he'd have to turn around and fire the entire committee and then appoint new members (that would have to pass Senate confirmation). But beyond that, the President can't just fire people willy-nilly - there has to be cause. Just disagreeing with their decision isn't cause enough. This is put in place so the President doesn't use his power for political retribution and fire someone entirely out of revenge or spite - like Nixon did his special prosecutor during the Water Gate trials (though, to be fair, that was a tad different).
There are rules in place for a reason. What DU is advocating just doesn't make sense. He can't force the FCC to do what he wants and he can't just fire 'em for not listening to him. Sadly, if you want to fault him, it's for making the appointments in the first place. But beyond that? Not much more he can do.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Unfortunately, the jury system let a whole bunch of trolls do a whole lot of trolling at the ol' DU.
I can understand someone being upset by some one thing that President Obama did, but not coming here to rant and rave about him on a daily basis about everything he does.
That's just not right.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)In half the threads I go through you wouldn't even know you're on a democratic site.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The law is the law. Granted right wingers will bend it as far as they can or interpret it to their liking, but ultimately, they can't change it.
These are huge bureaucracies and old, so appointing the most wild left wing radical will do nothing to change the law, either.
At the bottom of it, these people just wish our system weren't large and bureaucratic, or even Democratic. They want it to be easy to change, and it is not for a reason.
I don't know why Obama would leave these offices to Republicans. My guess is they can run them the best. Obama may care more about that than politics or using these offices as rewards for supporters - something the media would make a huge deal about.
I don't see the FCC or FBI as independent of the government. They are part of the executive branch. The Federal Reserve is a shadowy thing I don't completely understand. Likely it needs to be that way, though.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Yes, a lot of people here want instant gratification and have no idea what they are asking for here. The only person ruling a country like that is a king, who can say with no one to argue, 'Off with their heads!' and then it is done.
Quick to judge without learning the basics, impatience, over the top anger and ignorance is the calling card of the Tea Party. Somone here made a term, LefTeas. Although I doubt they are Leftists. They are soaking in the memes from the media run by Libertarians, using their style and talking points.
It is as pointless to give them facts to refute their vitriol as it has no effect, just like baggers. They are inoculated to reason by the sources they favor.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Well, to be fair you really don't have to go to that much trouble. It's there staring us in the face.
However, I believe I will add the term LefTeas to my collection, since I'm fond of descriptive language. It might even beat out my two other recent favorites, 'dirt nap' (one's expiration date) and 'Beckstabbed'.
'Libertarian' is such an oxymoron too, it almost defies description. That idiotic notion is what drives a lot of 'LefTeas'. They're childish and ignorant to the core.
treestar
(82,383 posts)so and so the R is appointed to this or that office. It's all politics. They really do want a left wing king. Who still wouldn't do everything they wanted fast enough.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)They may disapprove of as a reason not like Obama. This is how RWer's thinks and one of the reasons they vote for stupid people.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I went to college years ago with a kid who couldn't be convinced that Washington DC isn't in the state of Washington.
A more recent example: People who go on tv and declare that when they're president, they'll 'enact laws which will..." You can't tell 'em a damned thing either, because they worship their own 'beliefs' and dismiss any facts that they don't like.