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YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:09 AM Sep 2014

"If only he was more like FDR..."

What exactly do people mean by this? Aren't these the same people, generally speaking, who criticize President Obama for his alleged "violations of civil liberties" and "warmongering" and being "too pragmatic" and "having no principles" and for his "abuse and expansion of Presidential (executive) power"?

Do people not remember FDR's court-packing scheme in the 1930s, or the fact that he initially ran on a fiscally CONSERVATIVE platform in 1932 (which he never fully abandoned, FWIW...), or his executive order to round up and intern all Japanese-Americans on the West Coast (talk about civil liberties violations!), or his suspension of habeas corpus during WWII, or the fact that FDR expanded executive power far, far more than Obama has, by comparison?

Do they not realize that Obama and FDR are two different men, from two different historical contexts, and responding to different circumstances? Or that Congress was much more Democratic back then (remember all those racist Southern Democrats or "Dixiecrats"!), and there was no 24/7, profit-crazed corporate media bullshit that could constantly undermine the President day in and day out. There wasn't a FOX News Channel or indeed, Internet discussion forums that could constantly compare the POTUS to previous administrations, and saying that the current POTUS fell short, and how previous Democratic administration's would have done things differently.

Finally, do they not recognize how much Obama's racial identity matters, both for many of his supporters, as well as many of his opponents? FDR never had to deal with questions about his "Americanness" or his legitimacy as an American citizenship-let alone, his legitimacy as President of the United States!

Don't get me wrong...FDR is one of my favorite Presidents too. But let's be honest about his record, and let's not draw comparisons to his Presidency that oversimplify matters, all to undermine the current Democratic President in the eyes of the public. Unfortunately, I think we'll be seeing more of this in the days to come, due in part to the airing of "The Roosevelts" on PBS.

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"If only he was more like FDR..." (Original Post) YoungDemCA Sep 2014 OP
Big honkin' kick and rec. riqster Sep 2014 #1
Yes, I think they are romanticizing or idealizing a long past POTUS treestar Sep 2014 #2
Social Security wasn't even FDR's own plan. He was pushed into it (thank God) by Frances Perkins, IrishAyes Sep 2014 #8
One of the things I like mcar Sep 2014 #3
big kick and rec nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #4
I wouldn't be surprised if Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #5
Thank You! freshwest Sep 2014 #6
One thing for sure, I haven't enjoyed a First Family this much since the Kennedys. mountain grammy Sep 2014 #7

treestar

(82,383 posts)
2. Yes, I think they are romanticizing or idealizing a long past POTUS
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 03:26 PM
Sep 2014

whose faults have faded in the haze of time.

When they go on about Obama not getting a public option out of Congress, they would have, had they lived in FDRs time, had to go on about FDR's lack of spine for not getting social security to cover everyone.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
8. Social Security wasn't even FDR's own plan. He was pushed into it (thank God) by Frances Perkins,
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 09:31 PM
Sep 2014

his best cabinet appointee. She deserves more credit than he does, and yet most people have entirely forgotten her.

mcar

(43,454 posts)
3. One of the things I like
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 04:31 PM
Sep 2014

about the PBS series is that both TR & FDR are shown as the flawed humans they were. They accomplished great things but they screwed up a lot too. One wonders how they would be received today.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
5. I wouldn't be surprised if
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 06:54 PM
Sep 2014

some of the same people (maybe a few decades from now) look back at Obama and sing a completely different tune. It's basically people wearing rose-colored glasses when they don't acknowledge some of those aforementioned faults with FDR when they contrast him with Obama.

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