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still_one

(96,792 posts)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:40 PM Jun 2016

Some are falsely saying that in California Provisonal Ballots are thrown away. That simply

is not true:

Q: Are vote-by-mail and provisional ballots always counted – even in "landslide" elections?

A: Yes, every valid ballot returned to county elections officials by 8:00 p.m. on election day is counted in every election, regardless of the ballot type or the margin in any particular contest.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2014-news-releases-and-advisories/db14-090/

There are checks done to confirm that the person is registered to vote in that county, and that they did not already vote in that election.

If Greg Palast and others want to push this misinformation, let's see how well that works out for them.

If a person has registered as NPP, and they didn't receive a Democratic ballot, they can exchange that ballot for a Democratic ballot at the polling place on election day. If for some reason that polling place has run out of Democratic ballots, and those voters decide to listen to Greg Palast, and refuse to accept a provisional ballot, whose fault would that be?

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Some are falsely saying that in California Provisonal Ballots are thrown away. That simply (Original Post) still_one Jun 2016 OP
Making excuses before the event. Nothing new for Sanders and his followers. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
Yep. It's pre-emptive excuse making so they can play the victim stopbush Jun 2016 #3
I think California is going to be hard to call. It could be very close, but I still_one Jun 2016 #7
I believe Hill will win by 7 or more points in CA. stopbush Jun 2016 #8
You not going to get any argument from me. Thanks still_one Jun 2016 #10
That's the vibe I've been getting - she will def. win CA but now it's a matter of by how much. BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #24
Right! Or turned into an "in spite of the attempts of Clinton to cheat" puffy socks Jun 2016 #9
just like magic if bernie wins all the fraud/cheat/rigged accusations melt away nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
All my votes for years have been provisional. braddy Jun 2016 #4
I am only presenting what California does, and on the SOS it is very clear: still_one Jun 2016 #5
Unless you get the exact ballot you would if you voted in your precinct... LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #15
That is a good point about staying with your county, which I do of course. braddy Jun 2016 #17
I cannot tell you how FURIOUS it makes me that Bernie Sanders supporters are skylucy Jun 2016 #6
I am furious at Greg Palast. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #11
I am furious at the dissing of Senator Boxer, and Governor Brown, and the SOS of California still_one Jun 2016 #13
And all that garbage about Bernie turning CA blue. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #14
I heard Sanders' people saying that and even pundits saying it. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #16
OMG. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #21
Great, let's make up stories about my state in advance of the voting. Hekate Jun 2016 #12
I had never dealt with provisional ballots until the last primary here... LannyDeVaney Jun 2016 #18
We know the CT of rigged system, voter fraud and votes not getting counted without Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #19
This primary season ladym55 Jun 2016 #20
I can't wait for this to be over! I am bored with Bernie!!!!! Walk away Jun 2016 #22
They are lloking for a out when they lose California. nt William769 Jun 2016 #23

stopbush

(24,632 posts)
3. Yep. It's pre-emptive excuse making so they can play the victim
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:58 PM
Jun 2016

when Sanders gets clobbered.

still_one

(96,792 posts)
7. I think California is going to be hard to call. It could be very close, but I
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jun 2016

think the final results will be within a 10 point spread.

Registered Democrats who voted in the last election, are definitely favoring Hillary

What the NPP registrations decide to do make it difficult to predict

stopbush

(24,632 posts)
8. I believe Hill will win by 7 or more points in CA.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jun 2016

It could be a blow out, especially if NJ gets called at 5pm PDT - could keep the Sandernistas away from the polls.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
24. That's the vibe I've been getting - she will def. win CA but now it's a matter of by how much.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jun 2016

NPP's are notoriously a-political and the steps they have to make to vote in the Dem Party primary for Sanders might prove to be too much to keep their attention-span focused on their candidate. We'll see.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
9. Right! Or turned into an "in spite of the attempts of Clinton to cheat"
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jun 2016

or some other such baloney. That tactic is so narcissistic it's disgusting.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
4. All my votes for years have been provisional.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jun 2016

I get a mail in ballot but prefer to vote at the booth, so...... provisional, I also vote wherever I am working on that day, so that occasionally means voting in a precinct that isn't mine, so...... provisional.

It all gets counted in the end.

still_one

(96,792 posts)
5. I am only presenting what California does, and on the SOS it is very clear:
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jun 2016

"Q: I am a voter with no party preference, and I received a vote-by-mail ballot with no presidential candidates. What can I do to request a ballot with presidential candidates?

Contact your county elections office no later than May 31 to request a vote-by-mail ballot with presidential candidates from the Democratic Party, American Independent Party, or Libertarian Party. Click Here for County Elections Contact Information; OR
Bring your vote-by-mail ballot to the polls on Election Day and exchange it for a ballot with presidential candidates from the Democratic Party, American Independent Party, or Libertarian Party. If you have lost your original vote-by-mail ballot, you will have to vote a provisional ballot at the polls—your vote will still be counted; OR
Bring your vote-by-mail ballot to an early voting location in your county and exchange it for a ballot with presidential candidates from the Democratic Party, American Independent Party, or Libertarian Party. If you have lost your original vote-by-mail ballot, you will have to vote a provisional ballot at the polls—your vote will still be counted."

http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2016-news-releases-and-advisories/tips-no-party-preference-voters/

LiberalFighter

(53,507 posts)
15. Unless you get the exact ballot you would if you voted in your precinct...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jun 2016

I would not vote provisionally. Provisional should be fine if you are voting only for President or any office that is entirely within your county. Otherwise, you might miss out on some races that may concern you. Or you may be voting for candidates that are not in your voting district. Those will not get counted.

skylucy

(3,865 posts)
6. I cannot tell you how FURIOUS it makes me that Bernie Sanders supporters are
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jun 2016

now throwing my entire STATE under the bus. They are without shame.

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
11. I am furious at Greg Palast.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jun 2016

His hysteria-mongering is totally irresponsible and rife with misinformation. I can't remember the last time there were voting problems in CA. This is getting like anti-vaxxer nonsense.

still_one

(96,792 posts)
13. I am furious at the dissing of Senator Boxer, and Governor Brown, and the SOS of California
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jun 2016

I don't think this is a good strategy to get Californians to vote for you if you "dismiss" a popular Governor and Senator

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
14. And all that garbage about Bernie turning CA blue.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jun 2016

I am tired of him being in our state, and creating all of this drama and negativity.

LiberalFighter

(53,507 posts)
16. I heard Sanders' people saying that and even pundits saying it.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

How does anyone turn a state blue when it is already blue?

Another bug is claiming that Sanders is the reason that the top two vote getters in other races are Democrats and due to Sanders. That is total baloney.

What usually happens in presidential preference primaries is the newer voters are only focused on voting for their presidential candidate.

Hekate

(95,154 posts)
12. Great, let's make up stories about my state in advance of the voting.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

Thanks for clarifying.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
18. I had never dealt with provisional ballots until the last primary here...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jun 2016

(Alabama)

My son had just turned 18 and registered to vote. We checked the night before election day on the "find your polling place" website and his name and registration information showed up so we figured we were good to go. However, upon arrival at the polling place, his name wasn't on the master list so they had him use a provisional ballot. I too thought that it would only be counted "if necessary".

To our surprise, about 2 weeks after the primary we got a notice in the mail that his registration had been validated and his vote was counted. Pretty cool. I really didn't want him to have a bad experience the first time he voted.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
19. We know the CT of rigged system, voter fraud and votes not getting counted without
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jun 2016

any basis if Sanders loses, he may or may not win in California but she will get enough delegates in California to bring her to the half point of the pledged delegates and whatever goal post Sanders wants Hillary to pass will also be required of Sanders.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
20. This primary season
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

has really made me see that we have people on the left who can be as unhinged as the folks on the right. I used to think we had brains and common sense on our side, but apparently not always.

Apparently Hillary has "stolen" 3 million more votes than Bernie cuz no one would actually vote for her willingly.

Caucuses are bad ... unless Bernie wins.

Closed primaries are bad ... unless Bernie wins.

Open primaries are bad ... unless Bernie wins.

Super delegates are bad ... unless they switch to Bernie.

I have a headache.

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