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MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 11:17 AM Jun 2016

Bernie's (Mis)Understanding of Tonight's History

There are rare moments when you get to witness history. I know technically she already clinched, but tonight will be the celebration, watching the first major party female nominee give the victory speech.

We witnessed history 8 years ago, and we are on the precipice of doing so again.

And 8 years ago, Hillary had the option of going nuclear. Of protesting, of claiming Super Delegates don't count. Of making an argument of staying in the race on a technicality.

She obviously went a completely different route. And when she appeared, it was only to praise, vociferously, President Obama. Hillary understood the history of the moment. Super Delegate Bill Clinton VOTED for Obama. They knew the moment was much bigger than them. That an African-American nominee had fairly won the election (which was much closer than this, and where she actually won the popular vote), and that the time for campaigning had ended. That stepping on that moment in any way would be unconscionable.

Sanders finds himself in the same boat tonight. He could try to drag this out to the convention. I don't actually think it will impact the general election. He'll look like a buffoon arguing against math, and be the definition of a 3rd wheel, be on an island unto himself, while here in the real world, Hillary goes on with the business of whipping Trump, which she'll do, just like in 2008 Obama would have whipped McCain anyway.

But the unforgivable crime would be if any bandwidth tonight is dedicated to Bernie Sanders doing anything other than conceding. If we have the first female major party nominee having to split time with a white male because he won't accept that she won. And make no mistake, she won, clearly, by any accounting.

And when I say any accounting, I mean any accounting. Because Sanders is not, as is being reported, arguing that Super Delegates should not count. Not counting them means that when Hillary clinches a majority of pledged delegates, which she will tonight, that she is the nominee. No, what Sanders is arguing is that Super Delegates should count, but their votes should not. Yes include them in the total delegate count, no don't include them in the delegate vote totals. It is such an absurd logical pretzel that no one should take it seriously.

If he uses that to justify not conceding, not clearing the stage for Hillary, it will be a stain on him that won't wash off. The impact of doing so will wash off, she'll still win the nomination, she'll still beat Trump. But we'll never forgive Bernie for deciding that he was more important than history, more important than the moment, that keeping his charade running for another month is worth stepping on history, for not recognizing the gender bias that still exists in our society and how extraordinary what Hillary has accomplished is.

But Bernie also has an opportunity. Although he's exhibited very little dignity and class, he can now. Imagine if he concedes before she speaks. Admits that he's been beaten. That he clears the stage. All of the animosity will instantly wash away.

That is the choice he is faced with. I think he does not believe Trump can realistically beat Hillary, and that any damage he does fighting for the nomination, he can later undo. That is probably true. Hillary was nasty with Obama in 2008, and wiped it away later, graciously, emphatically. But she was very careful to not step on Obama's moment, by not hanging on a minute too long, because she was aware of the history of the moment. It remains to be seen whether Bernie has that same sense of history.

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Bernie's (Mis)Understanding of Tonight's History (Original Post) MSMITH33156 Jun 2016 OP
Good points. stopbush Jun 2016 #1
Just yesterday at his "news" conference... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #2
It all depends on how he wants to go down in history. displacedtexan Jun 2016 #3
Excellent points, MSMITH33156 Haveadream Jun 2016 #4
K & R BootinUp Jun 2016 #5
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #6
Hillary will have over half of the pledged delegates tonight, there should not be Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #7
A comment to a post on Talk Left SharonClark Jun 2016 #8
That makes sense to me, too. teamster633 Jun 2016 #9
Knowing when a moment is bigger than you Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #10

stopbush

(24,630 posts)
1. Good points.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jun 2016

How sad is it that we can't count on Sanders to do not only the right thing but the only logical thing one does when they lose to the better candidate? The fact that we're all walking on eggshells about this guy just says that we recognize his delusions of grandeur being more than just campaign posturing. At this point, he is a real danger to the party.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
2. Just yesterday at his "news" conference...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

he was incredulous at the notion there was something special about a woman candidate.

He didn't even want to answer the question from a "woman" reporter? The "male" reporter deferred to her question to the obvious annoyance of Bernie.

I think the media will need to turn off Bernie.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
3. It all depends on how he wants to go down in history.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jun 2016

We'll see how he wants to be remembered by his actions tonight.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
4. Excellent points, MSMITH33156
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jun 2016

Tonight is a milestone in history and any attempts by Bernie to taint that look incredibly petty in comparison. I hope he has advisors with a sense of perspective who can help him use the moment to make himself look noble rather than small.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. Hillary will have over half of the pledged delegates tonight, there should not be
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jun 2016

Any doubt who the winner of the primaries, she's got this.

SharonClark

(10,323 posts)
8. A comment to a post on Talk Left
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jun 2016

said Sanders shouldn't be allowed to speak at the convention if he doesn't endorse Hillary. Makes sense to me.

Stuckinthebush

(11,030 posts)
10. Knowing when a moment is bigger than you
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jun 2016

So very well stated, Msmith!

I hope that Bernie realizes this. My fear is that he will think that HIS moment is bigger than hers. I'm afraid he has a bit of a narcissistic streak (not as big as Trump, mind you). Will he be able to let go of myopia and look at the larger picture? We shall see.

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