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[kjones]

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[lumberjack_jeff]

1. I like this paragraph

But although the specifics were interesting, the thing that struck me most about the gathering was the palpable lack of gender tension. Men and women at this conference seemed to be on the same page, and the same team, in a way that seems almost surprising in these gender-divided times. Maybe that's because gender-talk, long a female domain, is also now about men. As another speaker at the conference, Warren Farrell, said, women can't hear what men don't say. So it's good that men are speaking up. As Farrell concluded in a Friday night dinner speech, the goal is "not a men's movement, not a women's movement, but a gender liberation movement."

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

2. Why do people keep trying to post about this MRA conference here?

I don't give a fuck what some Thatcher loving Tory, or a guy who thinks Hillary Clinton is the worst person in the world thinks, really. Sounds like it was basically a right-wing confab.

[kjones]

3. Sorry, if there is any background to the story, people involved, etc, I'm unaware of it.

I would be interested, however, in what that background is.
Care to inform me?

[geek tragedy]

5. The host of this group recommended

this article by Glenn Reynolds about this gathering of Men's Rights Activists. Obviously there's a great deal of sympathy for the A Voice For Men agenda here, so that is why people post about it in this group.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

6. No, there really isn't

But I'm sure you're doing a happy dance to get the chance to run in and make it appear so after a failed attempt yesterday.

[geek tragedy]

7. The host of the group is outside the

mainstream of the group?

The person who created the group and who wrote every letter of its FAQ?

Not buying it. The thread about how women are more violent than men and commit the majority of domestic violence from the other day is exactly what one would expect from the attendees of the MRAfest in Detroit.

Also note that MRAfest attendee Warren Farrell has received universal praise and outspoken support from this forum's members and especially some of its hosts.

[kjones]

10. Let me be very clear that I posted this without properly reviewing and researching it.

I am now self deleting because I feel uncomfortable posting the story and
link.
Let me be equally clear that in my poor review of the piece, I initially found it
relatively neutral in it's expression and bias. That said, I passed up posting it in
other spots on DU because I thought it (moderate, as I believed it to be at the time)
wouldn't be appreciated as much elsewhere as here. That is the only reason
I chose to post it here.

Without being too forward, let's just agree that calls to moderation aren't exactly
big sells around here. Not much anymore anyway.

And really, let's be honest, everyone knows that practically nothing "goes on" at
the men's group. What, two or three posts a week average? Not exactly a hive of
activity. Not a "great deal" of anything here.

[geek tragedy]

4. Reynolds is an extreme rightwing hack.

So obviously he'd write a positive review of a bunch of extreme rightwing assholes getting together.

The women and men present were unified in being rightwing asshole misogynists.

There were prison rape jokes at this conference. And the Neanderthals also laughed at campus rape. Reynolds omitted this quote from Barbara Kay at the conference.

Rape on college campuses, she added, was a myth perpetrated by man-haters, and the concept of rape culture, how society can tacitly approve of or rationalize sexual assault, was “baseless moral panic.”

“The vast majority of female students allegedly raped on campus are actually voicing buyer’s remorse from alcohol-fueled promiscuous behavior involving murky lines of consent on both sides,” she said, drawing chuckles from the audience. “It’s true. It’s their get-out-of-guilt-free card, you know like Monopoly.” The chuckles turned to guffaws.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/mens-rights-conference-feminism

So, yeah, rightwing bigots get along just smashingly with one another.

The only non-misogynists in attendance were the liberal reporters covering the atrocities.

[kjones]

9. Given some further insight

After looking into it more, I'm choosing to self delete this OP.
Not because of any kind of response it received, but because
after looking into it more, I'm not entirely sure the individuals
involved are something I can "sign off on" personally, and I
don't feel comfortable posting it. If someone else wishes to
copy-paste the source I had posted, more power to them.
I'm don't wish to.

Whether or not the OP source material genuinely meant it or
not, an equal gender alliance is something I do wish the world
had in strength. I think it would suit the world better the female
or male focused rights movements. It seems like something like
that may be a ways off. The responses to this post and responding
posts descended fairly quickly into name calling, nastiness, and
hidden posts, which is just...kind of sad.

Anyway, serves me right to have not read up in detail before posting
stories, but hey, I don't exactly devote my life to tallying up friends and
enemies.