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OKIsItJustMe

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Wed Jan 17, 2024, 04:22 PM Jan 2024

NASA Study: More Greenland Ice Lost Than Previously Estimated

https://www.nasa.gov/earth/climate-change/ice-glaciers/nasa-study-more-greenland-ice-lost-than-previously-estimated/
NASA Study: More Greenland Ice Lost Than Previously Estimated
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
JAN 17, 2024

A new, comprehensive analysis of satellite data finds that majority of glaciers on the landmass have retreated significantly.

The Greenland Ice Sheet has shed about one-fifth more ice mass in the past four decades than previously estimated, researchers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California reported in a new paper. The majority of glaciers on the landmass have retreated significantly, and icebergs are falling into the ocean at an accelerating rate. This additional ice loss has had only an indirect impact on sea levels, but could hold implications for ocean circulation in the future.

Published in Nature on Jan. 17, the analysis offers a comprehensive look at retreat around the edges of the entire ice sheet from 1985 to 2022, drawing from nearly a quarter million pieces of satellite data on glacier positions. Of the 207 glaciers in the study, 179 retreated significantly since 1985, 27 held steady, and one advanced slightly.

Most of the ice loss came from below sea level, in fjords on Greenland’s periphery. Once occupied by ancient glacial ice, many of these deep coastal valleys have filled with seawater – meaning the ice that broke off made little net contribution to sea level. But the loss likely accelerated the movement of ice flowing down from higher elevations, which in turn added to sea level rise.

“When the ice at the end of a glacier calves and retreats, it’s like pulling the plug out of the fjord, which lets ice drain into the ocean faster,” said Chad Greene, a glacier scientist at JPL and the study’s lead author.

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NASA Study: More Greenland Ice Lost Than Previously Estimated (Original Post) OKIsItJustMe Jan 2024 OP
Science is inherently conservative orthoclad Jan 2024 #1
James Hansen, et al, Ice melt, sea level rise and superstorms: evidence from paleoclimate data, climate modeling, and... OKIsItJustMe Jan 2024 #3
1000 gigatons NickB79 Jan 2024 #2

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
1. Science is inherently conservative
Thu Jan 18, 2024, 02:23 PM
Jan 2024

At least good science is.

Authors don't make statements without data to support them. Models can only make predictions based on available evidence and data. But gathering data can be expensive, difficult, and tedious. Reich-wing purse-stringers keep trying to cripple the process; ignorance is blissful and profitable.

So far, it looks to me like all the current predictions of models and climate conventions are serious underestimates, based on observations vs predictions. Weather forecasters use a standard set of error statistics which compare predictions to observations, and correct their models accordingly. We should do this with climate change forecasts.

Planners need to add an extra fudge-factor to the direness of climate predictions, because things are always worse than we thought.

OKIsItJustMe

(20,872 posts)
3. James Hansen, et al, Ice melt, sea level rise and superstorms: evidence from paleoclimate data, climate modeling, and...
Sat Jan 20, 2024, 01:17 PM
Jan 2024
https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/16/3761/2016/acp-16-3761-2016.pdf
Atmos. Chem. Phys., 16, 3761–3812, 2016
www.atmos-chem-phys.net/16/3761/2016/
doi:10.5194/acp-16-3761-2016
© Author(s) 2016. CC Attribution 3.0 License.


Ice melt, sea level rise and superstorms: evidence from paleoclimate data, climate modeling, and modern observations that 2°C global warming could be dangerous

James Hansen¹, Makiko Sato¹, Paul Hearty², Reto Ruedy³ ⁴, Maxwell Kelley³ ⁴, Valerie Masson-Delmotte⁵,
Gary Russell⁴, George Tselioudis⁴, Junji Cao⁶, Eric Rignot⁷ ⁸, Isabella Velicogna⁷ ⁸, Blair Tormey⁹, Bailey Donovan¹⁰, Evgeniya Kandiano¹, Karina von Schuckmann¹², Pushker Kharecha¹ ⁴, Allegra N. Legrande⁴, Michael Bauer⁴ ¹³, and Kwok-Wai Lo³ ⁴



Abstract. We use numerical climate simulations, paleocli- mate data, and modern observations to study the effect of growing ice melt from Antarctica and Greenland. Meltwater tends to stabilize the ocean column, inducing amplifying feedbacks that increase subsurface ocean warming and ice shelf melting. Cold meltwater and induced dynamical effects cause ocean surface cooling in the Southern Ocean and North Atlantic, thus increasing Earth’s energy imbalance and heat flux into most of the global ocean’s surface. Southern Ocean surface cooling, while lower latitudes are warming, increases precipitation on the Southern Ocean, increasing ocean stratification, slowing deepwater formation, and increasing ice sheet mass loss. These feedbacks make ice sheets in contact with the ocean vulnerable to accelerating disintegration. We hypothesize that ice mass loss from the most vulnerable ice, sufficient to raise sea level several meters, is better approximated as exponential than by a more linear response. Doubling times of 10, 20 or 40 years yield multi-meter sea level rise in about 50, 100 or 200 years. Recent ice melt doubling times are near the lower end of the 10–40-year range, but the record is too short to confirm the nature of the response. The feedbacks, including subsurface ocean warming, help explain paleoclimate data and point to a dominant Southern Ocean role in controlling atmospheric CO₂, which in turn exercised tight control on global temperature and sea level. The millennial (500–2000-year) timescale of deep-ocean ventilation affects the timescale for natural CO₂ change and thus the timescale for paleo-global climate, ice sheet, and sea level changes, but this paleo-millennial timescale should not be misinterpreted as the timescale for ice sheet response to a rapid, large, human-made climate forcing. These climate feedbacks aid interpretation of events late in the prior interglacial, when sea level rose to +6–9 m with evidence of extreme storms while Earth was less than 1 °C warmer than today. Ice melt cooling of the North Atlantic and Southern oceans increases atmospheric temperature gradients, eddy kinetic energy and baroclinicity, thus driving more powerful storms. The modeling, paleoclimate evidence, and ongoing observations together imply that 2°C global warming above the preindustrial level could be dangerous. Continued high fossil fuel emissions this century are predicted to yield (1) cooling of the Southern Ocean, especially in the Western Hemisphere; (2) slowing of the Southern Ocean overturning circulation, warming of the ice shelves, and growing ice sheet mass loss; (3) slowdown and eventual shutdown of the Atlantic overturning circulation with cooling of the North Atlantic region; (4) increasingly powerful storms; and (5) non-linearly growing sea level rise, reaching several meters over a timescale of 50–150 years. These predictions, especially the cooling in the Southern Ocean and North Atlantic with markedly reduced warming or even cooling in Europe, dif- fer fundamentally from existing climate change assessments. We discuss observations and modeling studies needed to refute or clarify these assertions.

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