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nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
Fri May 18, 2012, 05:58 AM May 2012

Going back to being a vegetarian - ups and downs

Hello, I am new to this group but not new to being a vegetarian. My mom raised me as a vegetarian ( I still remember being 5 yrs old and her telling me that eating a hamburger is the same as eating our pet dog - I don't recommend that tactic). Since my mom didn't cook much we ate a lot of mac and cheese, fried egg sandwiches and the occasional fake hot dog. This was in the late 70's and 80's when fake meats were still in the cardboard tasting phase. Fake bacon - oh that was horrible. Fake hot dogs - awesome.

When I got older, I started eating meat - mainly because it was "new" and in defiance of my mom (dumb, I know). In college and law school I was too poor to eat much meat - maybe some ground hamburger once a month or so, plus I have never really liked the taste or texture of meat.

Then I married a carnivore - my husband was raised eating 3 meat courses a day, plus meat as a snack. Over the years, I began cooking and eating more meat. Trying to impress my husband with my culinary skills and providing him with delicious dinners, I began cooking pork chops, chicken and of course beef roasts. Our health has not improved as a result of all this meatiness. I did casually start to substitute meatless alternatives in his meals - Boca crumbles instead of ground beef in hot dishes or chili, Quorn chick'n patties etc. I have succeeded in having not only meatless meals, but whole meatless days for him without him really noticing.

So, because we are trying to eat healthier and be more humane we are re-assessing our food habits. It started with reading some blogs, Micheal Pollan's book Food rules, etc. When I mentioned becoming vegetarian to my husband last week, he had a full blown panic attack. It was that all or nothing that made him crave a steak, right then and there.

I realize now that by giving us permission to eat meat - as long as it is locally and humanely raised, no hormones, no animal diet, grass-fed etc, he is ok with that - takes that panic away from him. Since finding this type of meat in the local grocery store is impossible (thanks Big Food) and its very expensive at the Co-op (and my husband is kind of cheap), going meatless is going to be a lot easier.

The good news? There are so many meatless alternatives on the market now and they actually taste good. Plus there are more vegetarian cookbooks so finding recipes is easier. More and more restaurants have vegetarian dishes - you know real meals, not just the damn side salad. Also I know from experience that meat cravings do go away, after going meatless the texture of meat is foreign and it feels so greasy and heavy, so I know that in time my husband will feel the same way.

The bad news? I feel for years that I have been progammed to cook (and my husband to eat) a meal that centers around a main meat course and 2 sides - its what so many cooking magazines, menu plans etc focus on its hard to get out of that mental rut. Meat is cheap and easy - easy to throw some chicken on the grill or a roast in the slow cooker (this is why the humanely raised rule comes in - that meat is so expensive, we have to find a meatless alternative). I am not a huge fan of many vegetables - so I need to try more recipes and be braver in my eating. And finally meat cravings - bacon and steak are my husband's favorite foods - bacon wrapped steak is heaven for him. That is going to be hard to overcome.



The weirdest thing I crave - those Loma Linda meatless hot dogs in a can. Ate those growing up and now I can't find them anywhere. I can get a case on Amazon, but that's too much of a commitment.

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tblue

(16,350 posts)
1. 9 year Veg here. Slender and feeling great!
Fri May 18, 2012, 07:29 AM
May 2012

I started a year after my hubby did, and he went that route because Paul McCartney did.

There are so many ethnic (Indian, Mexican, Italian, Chinese, Middle Eastern) foods that are vegetarian and delicious, we don't miss meat at all. Just the thought of it and cooking it for my son now gives me shudders. My son is now perfectly happy to have vegetarian meals pretty frequently.

When I read about diseases like mad cow, the suffering of slaughter cows and chickens and pigs, and the huge impact on the environment and human health caused by a meat-based diet, I am SO HAPPY I gave up that crap!!!

Even the better sources of meat, which is what I buy for my son and I'm glad you value too, leave me feeling sorry for the animals who live a more decent and contented life, only to have it cut short because somebody wanted a hamburger for lunch. Cows do mourn when they are separated from their babies.

The brutality of the meat industry was the deal killer for me. I don't miss eating animal flesh in the least. And I really really love the foods I eat -- falafels, burritos, pasta, stir frys, and breads of all sorts. I weigh just about what I weighed in high school too. I wouldn't eat meat if you paid me.

Thank you for having the awareness to even take this on. Make your hubby some nice eggplant parmesan and see if that doesn't satisfy. Good luck!

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
2. Your post reminded me of what I said to my husband last weekend
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:08 AM
May 2012

We were eating fake hotdogs - I loved them (still not as good as those Loma Linda ones in a can), but this was my husband's first time and he couldn't spit it out fast enough.

I guess they are an acquired taste. He asked how I could eat them and I said "Because not only are they tasty, but I know that there are no pig anuses or other mystery parts in it!"

That statement I think has stuck with him - he may never try those type of fake hotdogs (but there are many, many other types of link shaped meatless stuff - grain meat for example) but I don't think he is in a hurry for meat hotdogs anytime soon.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
3. Your story reminds me of
Fri May 18, 2012, 12:24 PM
May 2012
Slingblade when they are eating canned meat and wondering if there are "peckers in there."

flvegan

(64,592 posts)
4. Fake hot dogs.
Sat May 19, 2012, 04:47 PM
May 2012

You know, that is the one mock meat where I have yet to find one that I like. I think they're all terrible and gave up on them. I'm intrigued by the ones you had as a youngster, though.

Good luck on your journey. "All or nothing" is difficult to swallow. That's one big "NO" hacking at something you enjoy. If you became a culinary goddess with meat and sides, I have no fear you will do the same with vegetarian meals as well.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
6. Field Roast came out with something recently.
Fri May 25, 2012, 12:54 AM
May 2012

I hated real hot dogs, so I can't tell you if those are any good, but I've yet to try a Field Roast anything I didn't like.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
8. my husband won't eat fake meats
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:53 PM
Jun 2012

I say, "Why not?" and he says, "because it isn't real!"

So then I say "why won't you eat the real ones then?" and he says, "because of all the bad ingredients in it!"



He'd rather eat beans or something because it isn't pretending to be something else. I don't care--meatless hot dogs, sausage, burgers--it's all good. I've been doing this longer so maybe that makes the difference.

mucifer

(24,831 posts)
5. Been a vegetarian since i was 16 years old now I am 46
Thu May 24, 2012, 06:22 PM
May 2012

It is so much easier to find good stuff now than 30 years ago. Not only that but there are so many more vegetarian and vegetarian friendly restaurants here in Chicago. Tho I must say I never really went vegan.

Good luck to you and welcome back!

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
9. Really hard to find a totally vegan dish in most restaurants
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:13 AM
Jun 2012

Cheese, cheese everywhere in American cuisine. Butter is routinely served and put in everything. We are dairy addicts. I figure all I can do is not eat what I can see, at least. Like no cream sauces.

And just try to find a dessert on a restaurant menu that doesn't have some sort of dairy in it. It is either cheesecake, something topped with ice cream, or something like creme brulee.

They could make something out of almond milk that would be quite tasty. But no.

What I have done is ask the server if they have any desserts without dairy in them--because there are regular people who are lactose intolerant. One offered a bowl of mixed berries with a sugar glaze, and I took it.

You can go to a Mexican restaurant and get a burrito without cheese, or a vegetable fajita, hold the sour cream. Indian and Asian restaurants have a lot of options usually. Our favorite Chinese take out has a vegetable tofu dish that I've ordered many times.

Going vegan 15 months ago, after being a person who had given up red meat before that was not as hard as I thought. After three weeks I didn't miss any of it. And this from someone who formerly ate ice cream every day.

I do it for my health. Giving up all that saturated animal fat has improved my cholesterol and my blood glucose levels.



mucifer

(24,831 posts)
10. Indian and Ethiopian restaurants also have lots of vegan options
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:18 AM
Jun 2012

Here in Chicago there are now a lot of restaurants that have dishes with vegan cheeses .
There are several pizza places you can get vegan pizza with vegan cheese. I know 2 Mexican restaurants that are vegetarian restaurants with lots of dairy free options here in Chicago. I know of 3 Vegan only soul food restaurants on the south side of Chicago. There are many other general kinda restaurants that are vegetarian with lots of vegan options. It just wasn't that way 30 years ago.

We are very lucky here in Chicago.

http://www.happycow.net/north_america/usa/illinois/chicago/

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
7. FYI: MorningStar brought back the veggie dogs and introduced "meat" balls.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:21 AM
Jun 2012

The "meat" balls are great in spaghetti and make a really yummy sub. I like their "chick" patties with tarter sauce and cheese (think McD's fish sandwich) and the nuggets are awesome with Bookbinder's cocktail sauce (it has heavy horseradish). I really don't like their attempts at sweet BBQish variations (patties, McRib thingies, etc.) or the "Italian sausage", but the regular links rock as a snack and are perfect in Bush's vegi baked beans. The "bacon" strips make an awesome BLT (I add sliced mushrooms and cheese) and the veggie dogs are the ONLY such creations that work well over an open fire. SmartDogs are close, but they split and I've lost a few to the pit. My youngest daughter likes the corn dogs with honey. I find the bread coating to be too sweet as it is, but hey, she's only 17.

Something to try with your husband: Get the refrigerated crescent rolls (check for lard), pull them apart and put half a veggie strip or a link on each one. Cheese is optional. Roll them up and bake them as per the crescent rolls directions (about 10 minutes at 350). I'm yet to find anyone who doesn't like those.

As for "Boca crumbles" or MorningStar's equivalent, I really don't like either, but the latter made a great sloppy joe. For chili and such we use bulghur (sp?) wheat, quinoa, or a combination of both. They add body and texture and are both really good for you. We usually cook it in a crock pot so you can just add them with all the other ingredients when you throw it together. Chunk-cut mushrooms are also a good texture addition.

If he really needs a wake-up call, get "Diet for a New America" by John Robbins (heir to Baskin Robbins). It's about half nutrition-based and half ethics-based and it's the book that made us go veggie in '89 (we read it together). For recipes, all of the Mollie Katzen books (starting with "Moosewood Cookbook&quot are excellent and Laura Robertson's "Laurel's Kitchen" is full of great recipes and nutritional information. They were my staples in the early days. I never use recipe books now unless it involves baking (which is very much a science). Speaking of which, join the "Cooking and Baking" group and just throw out questions.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
12. Update - its been a month and its been a lot easier than I thought!
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:47 AM
Jun 2012

I have been trying countless new vegetarian recipes and having a blast cooking.

The best part - I had to go to the Dr for my yearly physical and my blood work shows a great improvement in blood sugar and lipids (I was near pre-diabetes last year and my cholesterol was starting to get high)! The past year I have been working out and losing some weight, but I know the healthier eating has really helped.


My husband has been embracing meatless much better these past few weeks - he has had some fish and seafood but no red meat or poultry, not even bacon. Watching Food Inc, and Forks Over Knives really made things click for him and he is enjoying eating healthier meals.

Your support has been awesome - thanks everyone!

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