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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:45 PM May 2016

Israel: 'Some NGOs are seen as the enemy from the inside'

Source: The Guardian

With a transparency bill proposed in the Knesset that some argue targets human rights organisations, NGOs speak out about challenges to their work

Israeli NGOs and human rights defenders are expressing concern about a proposed NGO transparency bill that has been criticised as discriminatory and anti-democratic.

The bill passed its first reading in the Israeli parliament - the Knesset - in February with a narrow majority, with 50 parliamentarians in favour and 43 against. It would place extra requirements on NGOs that receive over 50% of their funding from foreign governments or organisations.

These NGOs would be required to register themselves as foreign agents and detail their funding in any public or promotional documents. An obligation for staff of these NGOs to wear an identification badge while in the Knesset, indicating that they were funded by a foreign country, was dropped from the bill after the first reading.

While the legislation does not explicitly pick out leftwing organisations, critics argue that in reality it is these organisations that will be impacted if it is passed after its second and third readings. The majority of leftwing organisations in the country receive funding from foreign donors, largely in the EU. Efforts to track the funding of nationalist right wing NGOs however have shown they mostly receive funding from private foreign individuals or Israeli state donations, and consequently would not be subject to the bill.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2016/may/11/israel-some-ngos-are-seen-as-the-enemy-from-the-inside

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Israel: 'Some NGOs are seen as the enemy from the inside' (Original Post) Little Tich May 2016 OP
Meanwhile .... Israeli May 2016 #1
NGO's that deliberately lie about Israel & incite hate/violence against Jews... shira May 2016 #2
I think that Israel should have the same standards for NGOs like the US. Little Tich May 2016 #3
NGO's that deliberately lie/distort & thus incite violence & hatred vs. Jews.... shira May 2016 #4
Amnesty International, Break The Silence, Human Rights Watch, Yesh Din, Ta'ayush, Peace Now, Little Tich May 2016 #5
In response to your post #3 and this one Little Tich...... Israeli May 2016 #6
Yup, I agree with Sternhell. Little Tich May 2016 #9
The fascists are those who support & defend Hamas hate, violence, war crimes. shira May 2016 #11
'One People,One Nation' A Visual Representation of the Ignorance That Threatens to Consume Israel Israeli May 2016 #15
* Ouch * Israeli May 2016 #16
Ein kapo 6chars May 2016 #17
But a Democratic " Ein kapo " .... Israeli May 2016 #18
NGO's that lie when they deny Hamas human shielding for example.... shira May 2016 #7
It's obvious that these NGOs are standing in the way of those who would prefer that Israel was less Little Tich May 2016 #8
Oh please. These are supporters of Hamas terror & human shielding... shira May 2016 #10
Look at Amnesty's response to a question asking what Israel can do... shira May 2016 #12
you are doing some excellent posts today! 6chars May 2016 #13
It proves conclusively how fucked up NGO's like Amnesty are WRT Israel. n/t shira May 2016 #20
Could not understand how this thread had jumped to the top .... Israeli May 2016 #14
Sounds like a personal problem. n/t shira May 2016 #19

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
1. Meanwhile ....
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:53 AM
May 2016
Israel Prize Winner Donates Cash Award to Israeli Group That Helps Palestinians

Hebrew University Prof. David Shulman will receive the prize on Thursday for his research into languages and culture in south India.

Nir Hasson May 11, 2016

Israel Prize laureate Prof. David Shulman announced on Wednesday that he would donate his 75,000 shekel ($20,000) cash prize to Ta'ayush, an Israeli group that assists Palestinian residents of the South Hebron Hills.

Shulman, who is an active member of Ta'ayush, will receive his prize on Thursday, in the context of the Independence Day celebrations.

The Hebrew University academic was awarded the Israel Prize in the field of religious research for his work on Indian languages and culture. He is regarded as one of the world's leading experts on Sanskrit and southern India.

In addition to his academic work, Shulman is a prominent left-wing activist.

In a video posted online on Wednesday, Shulman explained his decision to donate the prize money to Ta'ayush and his deliberations over whether to accept the prize at all, due to the "general deterioration of the situation and the witch hunt against Ta'ayush, peace and human rights activists by a right-wing establishment determined to perpetuate the occupation."

Shulman finally decided to accept the prize and donate the 75,000 shekel cash component to Ta'ayush.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.719171
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
2. NGO's that deliberately lie about Israel & incite hate/violence against Jews...
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:21 AM
May 2016

....are antisemitic.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
3. I think that Israel should have the same standards for NGOs like the US.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:49 PM
May 2016

Israel is trying to be more like Russia or China, which I think is wrong. A healthy democracy needs NGOs like Amnesty International, Oxfam and Human Rights Watch.

This NGO bill is some really scary shit that doesn't belong in a democracy. Actually, people like Ayelet Shaked shouldn't be able to become a Minister in a democratic country.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
4. NGO's that deliberately lie/distort & thus incite violence & hatred vs. Jews....
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

....are without question antisemitic.

How am I wrong?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
5. Amnesty International, Break The Silence, Human Rights Watch, Yesh Din, Ta'ayush, Peace Now,
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:53 AM
May 2016

B'Tselem and Adalah are all legitimate human rights NGOs that do a great service to Israel and don't promote any kind of anti-Semitism. They would be all completely legit in the US (and all healthy democracies), but the Israeli NGO law would classify most of these NGOs as "Foreign Agents" and a threat to Israel.

I think your support for the NGO Law is misplaced. If it's passed, it will curtail free speech and damage Israel's democratic character to a significant degree.

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
6. In response to your post #3 and this one Little Tich......
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:55 AM
May 2016

.....I give you this :

Is Israel inching closer to fascism?

Maj. Gen. Yair Golan, deputy chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces, spoke about trends in Israeli society reminiscent of the dark European era between the world wars at a May 4 event marking Holocaust Remembrance Day, the start of an emotional and special period in which Israelis remember the Holocaust, honor their war dead (May 11) and celebrate their independence (May 12). Almost at the same time, the prime minister of Israel once again pointed to the anti-Semitic phenomena in the world and the Middle East, saying they remind him of the dark era that preceded the 1930s in Europe.

Israeli society is not an amorphous place; the prime minister is the one who bears ultimate responsibility for the shape it is in. He himself demonizes his country’s minorities. He is the one who entrusted the education of Israeli children to a political party (right-wing HaBayit HaYehudi) that believes the biblical designation of “chosen people” justifies trampling the dignity and basic rights of millions of other people. And so, the words of Golan could be interpreted as an arrow directed at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. No wonder Netanyahu claimed Golan’s remarks were “fundamentally incorrect.”

Nonetheless, historic analogies are not a matter for generals, nor the jurisdiction of politicians. To examine whether Israel 2016 is reminiscent of the 1930s in Europe, or whether the association is indeed unfounded, Al-Monitor sought the help of professor Zeev Sternhell, the former head of the political science department at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. It is hard to find a greater authority to referee the stormy debate sparked by Golan.

Fascism is the central theme in Sternhell’s personal and professional biography. Sternhell’s Polish family was murdered by the Nazis. He lived in hiding until being taken to France on a train full of children by the Red Cross. In 1951, at the age of 16, he immigrated to Israel, alone. He served as an officer in all the wars from the 1956 campaign in the Sinai Peninsula to the first Lebanon War in 1982. In 2008, he was injured by an explosive device placed at the entrance to his home by a radical right-wing activist.

The full text of the interview follows.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/05/zeev-sternhell-holocaust-fascism-nationalistic-education.html#ixzz48WJpbFvv

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
9. Yup, I agree with Sternhell.
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:45 AM
May 2016

The descent into fascism is a gradual process, and the Israeli government is currently prevented from doing what they really want by democratic safeguards, but these safeguards are constantly challenged and eroded. Israel is on a very dangerous path.

I hope Labour doesn't join the Israeli government with Likud and Jewish Home, it would make things degrade faster.

I still believe that things can be turned around for the better and Israel's democratic standards could be restored.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. The fascists are those who support & defend Hamas hate, violence, war crimes.
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

These folks who lie and incite deliberately against Jews are the fascists, not the ones fighting that racism & warmongering.

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
15. 'One People,One Nation' A Visual Representation of the Ignorance That Threatens to Consume Israel
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:50 AM
May 2016
If an ordinary picture is worth a thousand words, this picture might just be worth a thousand op-eds warning about the dangerous decline of Israeli democracy.

Asher Schechter May 13, 2016

Israel’s 68th Independence Day festivities kicked off on Wednesday, with the official ceremony at Mount Herzl in Jerusalem that traditionally marks the transition from the solemn mourning of Israel’s Memorial Day to the celebratory mood of Yom Ha’atzmaut (Independence Day). The ceremony, whose theme this year was “civic heroism,” had all the traditional characteristics: fireworks, speeches, a torch-lighting ceremony celebrating the achievements of Israelis who made significant contributions to society, and flag-bearing color guards forming symbols of Israel’s national identity.

As the soldiers transitioned from formations depicting one time-honored symbol to another - a peace dove, a Star of David - they suddenly formed a phrase that should have inspired discomfort in anyone with even the slightest historical knowledge: “one people, one nation.”

It’s a phrase that, if you repeat it in German, in Germany, it is more than likely that you’ll be arrested for incitement. The reason? It is more than a little reminiscent of a leading slogan belonging to a certain German regime from the 1930s. In fact, it’s an almost-complete translation. The difference is that when the Germans originally uttered that phrase, it had the words “one Führer” at the end.

To be clear, Israel is nothing like Nazi Germany, in any way, shape or form. The people responsible for planting the troubling phrase during Israel’s national celebration likely did it by mistake, without any knowledge of the previous usage.

Nevertheless, it’s difficult to imagine a more fitting visual representation of the dangerous processes that are taking place in Israeli society—the same processes that the IDF’s Deputy Chief of Staff Yair Golan warned about last week—and the historical ignorance that in many ways fuel them, than inadvertently evoking a Nazi slogan during Israel’s Independence Day celebrations.

While utterly rejecting any similarity between the phrase and the Nazi slogan, Culture Minister Miri Regev (who was responsible for the ceremony) somehow managed to make things worse: “The phrase ‘one people, one nation’ is an expression of the just aspiration of the Zionist movement since its inception: to establish a Jewish state.” The similarities, nonetheless, are there, plain as the eyes can see. What Regev did was what the right-wing always does: curb criticism of its actions by conflating it with antisemitism. This feat is a bit harder to accomplish when you’re defending your use of a Nazi slogan, instead of simply owning up to your mistake. 

Even without uncomfortable historical allusions, the phrase “one people, one nation” is plenty disturbing. One people? 20 percent of Israel’s citizens are Palestinians. If Israel includes only “one people,” what happens to the ethnic group that comprises a fifth of its citizenry? And while we’re on the subject, what happens to its other ethnic minorities, like the Druze and the Bedouins? What role do they have in this “one nation”?

The phrase “one people, one nation” is the latest in Israel’s ongoing effort to deny the existence of its Arab citizens. Two years ago, when Israel’s Population, Immigration and Borders Authority (PIBA) published its annual list of Israel’s most-popular baby names, the top results were the Jewish names Yosef, Daniel and Uri, even though it was later reported that the most popular baby name in Israel is actually Mohammad (a name that, like every other Arab name, didn’t even make the top ten).

Last month, a poll conducted by the Israeli paper Israel Hayom showed that 48 percent of Jewish Israeli teenagers believe Israeli Arabs should not be allowed to run for office. A month earlier, a Pew Research Center poll showed that 48 percent of Jewish Israelis think Arab-Israelis should be “transferred” or “expelled.”

“One people, one nation,” then, can be seen as a statement of purpose, of sorts. Israel’s Arab Knesset members are already fighting bills meant to disenfranchise Israeli Arabs, like the “suspension bill” that allows lawmakers to suspend other lawmakers from the Knesset by a majority vote of 90 members. The bill passed its first reading in March.

The exclusion and persecution of Israeli Arabs were once the underbelly of Israel’s legal and political systems. Things that existed, but were denied. “One people, one state” brings them to light in the bluntest way imaginable: celebrating them along with national symbols like the menorah and the peace dove.
 
But the historical allusion, inadvertent as it was, should also not be disregarded. Its timing, a week after Golan was lambasted for “cheapening” the holocaust because he likened certain societal trends in Israel 2016 to the “revolting processes” that occurred in Germany decades ago, could not be any more prescient. When Golan warned about the dangers of societal trends like “intolerance, violence, self-destruction and moral deterioration,” trends that are often associated with the rise of Nazism in Germany, this is the sort of thing he was likely talking about.

This is not the first time Israel’s anti-democratic stampede has inadvertently mimicked the words of prominent anti-Semites. Last year, Benjamin Netanyahu was able to win reelection by warning Likud voters that “Arabs are rushing to the polls in droves.” As Gilad Halpern reported in +972 this week, it turns out the exact same words were said of Jews in early 20th century Poland.

Benjamin Netanyahu is an avid student of Jewish history, but it is entirely possible that he did not know of this rather obscure quote, found by Prof. Yaacov Shavit of Tel Aviv University in the writings of Ze’ev Jabotinsky. The people who placed the phrase “one people, one nation” in the middle of Israel’s Independence Day ceremony most likely didn’t know any better, either.

And that may be the most terrifying thing about all this. After all, societies don’t just make a rational, informed choice to become anti-democratic. Many times, this drive is greatly assisted by historical ignorance.

Israelis are taught a great deal at school about the Holocaust. As adults, they are surrounded by reminders of it. But most of these focus on the victimization of Jews, on a narrative that places the horrors of Nazism deep within anti-Semitic traditions. While that is true, what is missing is the intolerance, the violence, the nationalist extremism and the moral deterioration that enabled these traditions to manifest themselves in unspeakable ways. It wasn’t just “Juden raus!” It was also “ein volk, ein reich, ein führer.”

Those who do not know the past, goes the old adage, are doomed to repeat it. While there is no danger that Israel will ever look like Nazi Germany, it is going through something deeply troubling. Don’t believe it? Just look at the picture above. There is now photographic evidence.


Source : http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.719538
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. NGO's that lie when they deny Hamas human shielding for example....
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:24 AM
May 2016

Last edited Fri May 13, 2016, 06:36 AM - Edit history (1)

....do so in the service of Hamas.

We've been over this before and you know very well that Hamas is 100% guilty of using human shields.

Why would an NGO lie in order to smear Israel and incite hatred against the Jewish state and Jews....if hatred has nothing to do with it? I remind you again that supporting or defending Hamas when Hamas at its core hates Jews is without a doubt antisemitic.

Well first you need to acknowledge that when people's deliberate lies do nothing but incite hate/violence against Jews....THAT is antisemitic but this is where you run, hide, and avoid rather than acknowledge the obvious.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
8. It's obvious that these NGOs are standing in the way of those who would prefer that Israel was less
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:07 AM
May 2016

democratic and more authoritarian.

They only report the truth and hold those who do wrong accountable for their actions. I suppose that's anti-Semitic according to some standards, but for the rest of us who still believe in democracy that's what constitutes legitimate criticism of Israel. If you have a problem with how they collect and present their evidence, please state your case. You've only made wild and unsupported accusations so far, and it's almost as if you support the NGO Bill.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
10. Oh please. These are supporters of Hamas terror & human shielding...
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:07 AM
May 2016

I'm not talking about all NGO's, but definitely ones like HRW, Amnesty, and Adalah. You've seen the evidence for yourself and it's undeniable.

You can't even acknowledge Hamas does this. It's not that you buy into fascist Hamas propaganda, you're willfully spreading their lies and incitement and then pretending you're standing up for human rights and democracy.

If you do nothing else in response to this post, I want you to at least acknowledge that when people or organizations - no matter who they are - deliberately spread malicious lies and propaganda that leads to hate & violence against Jews then THAT is antisemitic and they are antisemites themselves.

If I'm wrong about that, explain it to me. If I'm right and you agree, we can move on to proving the lies.

I doubt you want to go there....but if you believe you stand for what is just, fair, moral, and good (against racism/fascism) you should have no problem diving into this.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
12. Look at Amnesty's response to a question asking what Israel can do...
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:03 AM
May 2016

....to end the occupation in Gaza:

http://volokh.com/2010/06/03/telling-interview-with-the-director-amnesty-israel/

Q. What is required of Israel to stop it from being an occupying force under Amnesty’s definition?

A. That there will be another sovereign power and that the border crossings to Gaza not be under Israeli control. That’s the meaning of occupation, there’s no other sovereign power there, there’s no control over the border crossings for free movement of people and goods and that’s why Gaza is under occupation.

Q. Is an exit by the Navy from Gaza’s waters an end to the occupation?

A. No.

Q. Is opening the border crossings with Israel ending the occupation?

A. That’s a step towards ending the occupation….

Q. So what actions must Israel take? You say that the occupation ends if Israel opens the crossings, so if the occupation ends, Israel needs to close the borders since Gaza is defined as an enemy state. There’s a logical contradiction here.

A. I don’t understand where the contradiction is.

Q. The border between Israel and Lebanon is closed since Lebanon is an enemy state. You’re claiming that Israel needs to open the borders to Gaza and then the occupation will end. And then Israel will have to close the crossings.

A. I’ll ask you another question. Can Lebanon control the transfer of goods and people to Lebanon not opposite Israel but opposite other countries?

Q. So the problem is with the control by sea and air. If the seas are open there is no occupation?

A. Of course, had it been possible to enter Gaza freely through the air, by sea and land, that would certainly be one component of the occupation ending.

Q. What are all the components to end the occupation? Amnesty does not present a plan in which Israel stops the occupation. It says that Israel needs to stop the occupation and deepen the occupation by opening the borders. I don’t comprehend that.

A. Amnesty International does not deal with solving conflicts.

Q. It’s not conflict solving. It’s ending the occupation. Amnesty says that Gaza is under occupation. According to Amnesty, what actions must Israel take in order to stop the occupation?

A. One of the things which need to be done is to allow the passage of people and goods through the air, the sea and land. That’s one component. There are other components related to agreements of the international community since Amnesty International does not deal with solving conflicts.


And it goes on....

There's nothing Israel can do to end the occupation in Gaza according to Amnesty.


Israeli

(4,300 posts)
14. Could not understand how this thread had jumped to the top ....
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:21 AM
May 2016

Now I get it .... this " full ignore " thingy .........doesnt work to well

I guess I have to go back to just skipping over the posts of those that I prefer to ignore .
Its getting to be a long list .

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