Tel Aviv mayor says the occupation is a cause of Palestinian terror

[Israeli]

Huldai tells Army Radio that Israel may be the ‘only country in the world holding another nation under occupation without civil rights.’

Tel Aviv-Jaffa Mayor Ron Huldai shocked many Israelis Thursday morning when he cited Israel’s occupation as one factor that leads Palestinians to turn to terrorism. Speaking on Army Radio about Wednesday’s deadly shooting attack in Tel Aviv and reported celebrations of it in the West Bank and Gaza, Huldai argued that Israelis should focus instead on the fact that Israel is “perhaps the only country in the world holding another nation under occupation without civil rights.”

“On the one hand the occupation has lasted 49 years, and I took part in it,” Huldai told veteran journalist Ilana Dayan, “I recognize the reality and know that leaders with courage must look to take action and not just talk. The fact that we are suffering does not lead to a change in understanding of what must be done… There is no courage to do what needs to be done in order to reach a [peace] agreement.”

“There is no way to hold people in a situation of occupation and think that they will reach the conclusion that every thing is okay and they will continue to live like that,” Huldai added.

Huldai is a former Israeli Air Force pilot and a Labor Party stalwart, through and through, and his comments come at a time of crisis for both Labor and the Israeli Left at large. Labor Chairman Isaac Herzog is in dire straits with his party after repeatedly taking hawkish positions vis-a-vis the Palestinians and what can only be described as groveling at the feet of Prime Minister Netanyahu to join his far-right coalition.

Source : http://972mag.com/tel-aviv-mayor-says-the-occupation-is-a-cause-of-palestinian-terror/119936/

[Israeli]

1. Only Solution to Palestinian Terrorism Is the End of the Occupation

In the wake of the deadly Tel Aviv attack, ministers voice empty bravado and call for collective punishment, thereby just pushing more Palestinians to violence. It's time Israel learned the lesson: Terrorism will continue as long as the occupation does.

Haaretz Editorial Jun 10, 2016

The murderous terror attack at Tel Aviv’s Sarona Market took the lives of four Israelis on Wednesday: Ido Ben Ari, Ilana Naba, Michael Feige and Mila Mishayev. It wounded six others.
The attack was not preceded by any intelligence warning, as far as is known, but no one can say it was a surprise. The current wave of violence, which has been described as the third intifada, has not subsided. It does not seem it will fade quickly.

Immediately after the attack, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman rushed to announce a list of collective punishments against the Palestinians. During the month of Ramadan, Israel has frozen 83,000 entry permits into Israel for family visits, along with permits for a handful of Gaza residents to pray at the Al-Aqsa Mosque. These steps have just one objective: To satisfy an Israeli public seeking revenge.

Cabinet members competed over who would make the most extreme announcement.

Lieberman quickly declared he had “no intentions of settling for lip service,” while 
his deputy minister, Eli Ben-Dahan, threatened the town where the terrorists are from: “Life in Yatta won’t carry on as usual.”

Education Minister Naftali Bennett compared the terrorists to “that murderous organization sitting to our north,” and Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz called for preventive measures “that will go down in history.”

Meanwhile, Science Minister Ofir Akunis called for terrorists’ families to be deported and their homes demolished, and Culture Minister Miri Regev suggested that Israel “burn into the enemy’s consciousness” the price to be paid.

This impassioned and hollow talk, similar to the acts of collective punishment, has no real value. It will not protect the life of a single Israeli; it will just increase the frustration and hatred among those forced to live under Israeli occupation. In the end it will only push more young people to terrorism.

It’s amazing how the Israeli government does not learn its lesson and recognize what should have been clear long ago: The terror will continue as long as the Palestinian people have no hope on the horizon.

No military steps will eradicate it and no boastful declarations will end it. The only way to deal with terrorism is by freeing the Palestinian people from the occupation. Until then, the Palestinians will continue their opposition using force, as most peoples have done throughout history.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.724290

[shira]

2. Oh sure - that worked so well when the occupation in Gaza ended.

Remember then? No more terror since...

Just like there was no terror before 1967...

[Israeli]

3. The disengagement from the gush ....

.......never went far enough shira ........nor was it coordinated .

You should read Michael Feige's book ' Settling in the Hearts: Jewish Fundamentalism in the Occupied Territories '

ref : http://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/book/settling-in-the-hearts-jewish-fundamentalism-in-the-occupied-territories

The word “settler” conjures up a romantic image of a rugged, idealistic individual. This new book by Michael Feige attempts to demystify that image. Feige is enormously critical of the settler movement, of settlements, and of settlers.

The strength of his book lies in his insightful depiction of a movement that has helped shaped Israel and impacted upon some of Israel’s most critical policies. Feige illustrates just how influential the settler movement was and still is. He shows how ideology has blended into national policy and how, while once they were seen as pioneering, today settlements are part of Israel’s suburban sprawl.

Or his many articles ....example ....

Rabin’s Assassination and the Ethnic Margins

ref : http://theory-and-criticism.vanleer.org.il/En/Rabin%E2%80%99s+Assassination+and+the+Ethnic+Margins_h_hd_706_52.aspx

You are aware who Michael Feige was I take it shira ?

Hint ...

http://in.bgu.ac.il/en/Pages/news/michael-feige-rip.aspx

[shira]

4. Gee, just end the occupation...what's taking Israel so long, right?

Israel has made one offer after the next for the past 70 years and all have been rejected.

All would have ended the occupation, settlements.

What you want is an end to occupation without peace. There will be no end to terror without peace. You want an end to terror and occupation? Then demand peace.

[Israeli]

5. " Then demand peace "......

...........thats what we do at Gush Shalom shira

Aims of Gush Shalom

The primary aim of Gush Shalom is to influence Israeli public opinion and lead it towards peace and reconciliation with the Palestinian people, based on the following principles:

Putting an end to the occupation,

Accepting the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent and sovereign State of Palestine in all the territories occupied by Israel in 1967[*],

Reinstating the pre-1967 "Green Line" as the border between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine (with possible minor exchanges of territories agreed between the parties); the border will be open for the free movement of people and goods, subject to mutual agreement.

Establishing Jerusalem as the capital of the two states, with East Jerusalem (including the Haram al-Sharif) serving as the capital of Palestine and West Jerusalem (including the Western Wall) serving as the capital of Israel. The city is to be united on the physical and municipal level, based on mutual agreement.

Recognizing in principle the Right of Return of the Palestinian refugees, allowing each refugee to choose freely between compensation and repatriation to Palestine and Israel, and fixing by mutual agreement the number of refugees who will be able to return to Israel in annual quotas, without undermining the foundations of Israel.

Safeguarding the security of both Israel and Palestine by mutual agreement and guarantees.
Striving for overall peace between Israel and all Arab countries and the creation of a regional union.

[*] This refers specifically to all the parts of former Mandatory Palestine occupied by the Israeli army in 1967 - not to parts of Syria or Egypt.

Source : http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/about/aims/

[shira]

6. Olmert did what Gush Shalom suggests. The Palestinians rejected it.

Now what?

[Israeli]

7. Considering Uri Avnery is our heart and soul shira ....

....I will let him answer that for you ....

Olmert submitted his peace proposal when he was already on the way out, after being indicted for corruption. I don't remember its contents, nor, I suspect, does anyone else. It fell short of the Palestinian terms. Why should Abbas accept an Israeli plan from a bankrupt politician before negotiations?

Source : http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1411731067/

[shira]

8. That's a very lame response by Avnery & it's why idealists like him...

....cannot be taken seriously by objective, rational & fair-minded people.

But thanks for finding Avnery's response to Olmert.

[Ken Burch]

12. Why didn't Olmert make his offer when he first became prime minister?

When there was enough time for it to actually have a chance of being implemented?

Why wait until he knew it was too late to matter?

Haven't you EVER wondered about it?

And wouldn't you at least agree that if preserving the Occupation has never led to a better Palestinian leadership the whole time it's been in place, isn't it time to admit that the Occupation never CAN have that effect? That collective punishment and collective immiseration can never work?

[Israeli]

14. Ah......

...." objective, rational & fair-minded people. " .....I take it you are referring to yourself ???

[FBaggins]

11. The mayor has confused cause and effect.

The occupation is the result of terrorism, not its cause.

Only Solution to Palestinian Terrorism Is the End of the Occupation

Yeah right. Because while I was sleeping, we entered a Bizzarro world where terrorists relent when you give in to their demands (rather than moving on to the next thing that they want).

Those who fall for this nonsense are either too young... or have entirely forgotten that for most of the terrorist, the "occupation" is "there are Jews still breathing air in Palestine (which includes all of Israel)"

[Israeli]

13. I'm sure you know better than ....

....the mayor of Tel Aviv-Jaffa FBaggins.

[Little Tich]

19. The Haaretz editorial is right. n/t

[AntiBank]

16. thank you for posting this, amazing developments

[Israeli]

18. Shit happens when you are being interviewed ....

.....by the media 6chars.

So whose interview will affect Hamas most do you think .......

Mayor Ron Huldai's or Israel’s Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi David Lau ?????

Ref : ....

Israel's chief rabbi urges building Jewish temple on Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif

http://972mag.com/israels-chief-rabbi-urges-building-jewish-temple-on-temple-mountharam-al-sharif/119972/

[6chars]

20. Huldai's interview encourages Hamas

As for the rabbi - obviously antagonizing statements. No one really thinks anything like that will happen. But although Hamas already hates Jews as much as possible and this won't really move the needle in that regard, it is great fodder for terrorist leaders to rile up the masses. For that reason, he shouldn't say stuff like that.
(Not reading 972mag)

Huldai's statements do move the needle by saying there is more upside and less downside to terrorism than they might have thought .

[shira]

21. That his interview encourages Hamas is obvious to any thinking person...

Israel pulling out of Gaza and Lebanon only encouraged Hamas and Hezbollah to attack more.

What is it with this willful blindness?

[Israeli]

22. God forbid any of us should speak our minds ...

......eh shira ???

At funeral, Sarona victim’s father urges solution to conflict

Ido Ben Ari’s dad calls for ‘strategic solution,’ not ‘tactical decrees’ that ‘draw more Palestinians into cycle of terror’

The father of Ido Ben Ari, who was murdered by Palestinian terrorists Wednesday at a shooting attack at Tel Aviv’s Sarona Market, on Thursday accused the government of failing to find a strategic solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and relying instead on “tactical” moves that only cause more suffering to the Palestinians and push more of them into the cycle of terror.

Speaking in Yavne at his son’s funeral, which was attended by hundreds of friends and relatives, as well as deputy minister Ayoub Kara (Likud), he said: “The leaders we elect at democratic elections are supposed to find a strategic solution, which demands far-reaching vision, concessions, a creative solution, and not mantras and laundered words.

“Last night, after the attack, the prime minister and two of his ministers arrived and yet another security cabinet issued decrees — not to return corpses, to put up barriers, to destroy houses, and to make lives harder. These solutions create suffering, hatred, despair and [lead] to more people joining the circle of terror,” he said.

“What’s needed is a solution rather than saying all the time that there’s nobody to make peace with. We chose you to stop the cycle of blood, already 49 years you’ve been trying to solve things tactically and you haven’t succeeded. The time has come for a strategic solution,” the father said.

“Ido served in [the elite commando unit] Sayeret Matkal. He went through [the] Lebanon [War] and all the horrors of the army, and yet it was over this nonsense that he was taken,” his sister Reut Fishman said.

Source : http://www.timesofisrael.com/at-funeral-sarona-victims-father-urges-solution-to-conflict/

[shira]

23. Can't force the PA and Hamas to make peace when they're warmongering thugs. n/t