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Related: About this forumMondoweiss:New ad campaign in college papers calls out Israeli leaders’ bigotry against Palestinians
Source: Mondoweiss, by Annie Robbins on October 17, 2016
Palestine Advocacy Project (PalAD) has launched a dynamic new ad campaign “Israel’s Leaders: In Their Own Words,” directly quoting prominent Israeli officials’ extremist and bigoted rhetoric.
The In Their Own Words series was created to spark conversation on U.S. college campuses seldom featured in the mainstream media. Thus far nine college campuses, including University of California-Berkeley, have agree to publish ads in their campus newspapers.
PalAd intern Maggie Liu said, “As a college student living on a politically-active campus, I know firsthand how little young people know about the reality of the situation. I hope these ads will bring some much-needed dialogue to campuses across the country.”
Palestine Advocacy Project notes that during this election cycle American politicians have condemned Donald Trump’s racist, inflammatory rhetoric but they let Israeli politicians off the hook time and again because both the Democratic and Republican establishments pander to the Israel lobby:
Because, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu put it, “I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction.”
Read more: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/10/campaign-college-palestinians/
Note: I don't know anything about the Palestine Advocacy Project, but the quotes are all genuine.
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Israel's Leaders: In Their Own Words
Palestine Advocacy Project Exposes US-Backed Israeli Leaders' Racist and Extremist Rhetoric
Source: The Palestine Advocacy Project
http://www.palestineadvocacyproject.org/quotes
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)I wonder if any such quotes exist.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)My point is not that the Palestinian leaders are the good guys - my point is that the leaders of Israel are a bad bunch, and that they shouldn't be supported.
And yes, such quotes exist.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just like there are good and bad Palestinian leaders, good and bad American leaders, etc.
I don't think it does anyone any good to cherry pick the worst quotes to create an impression that Israel is the epitome of evil, which I think this sort of project does.
I would note that there are some folks who do the exact same sort of thing to make Palestinians look like the epitome of evil.
It's stupid.
What I think would be cool is for a pro-Palestinian group to highlight the most positive quotes from Israeli leaders and challenge the country's leadership to live up to those espoused ideals.
For example:
"Peace has always been our people's most ardent desire." - Benjamin Netanyahu
Or, with respect to Palestinians:
"If we join hands and work together for peace, there is no limit to the development and prosperity we can achieve for our two peoples." - Netanyahu again
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Personally, I can't squint that hard...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am not attempting to make any Arab-hating racists look good.
I am suggesting that it would be really cool if pro-Palestinian activists highlighted the quotes about peace made by Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders and challenged them to live up to those espoused ideals.
Similarly, the pro-Israeli folks who present a litany of ugly quotes from Palestinian leaders would be better served to try a different approach.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Do I really have to put a sarcasm tag here?
shira
(30,109 posts)What's worse, calling terrorists names or justifying their terror which is what Gideon Levy and BDS'ers do all the time? I suppose you'd argue that justifying terror isn't nearly as racist as calling out terrorists for the monsters they are.
I also find it fascinating that you cannot call out the recent anti-Jewish UNESCO vote for the racist garbage it is, yet you find calling terrorists bad names is racist.
Just fascinating.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Netanyahu: We'll Surround Israel With Fences 'To Defend Ourselves Against Wild Beasts'
Source: Haaretz, Feb 09, 2016
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702318
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Israeli foreign minister says disloyal Arabs should be beheaded
Source: Washington Post, March 10, 2015
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/03/10/israeli-foreign-minister-says-disloyal-arabs-should-be-beheaded/
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Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’
Source: Washington Post, May 7, 2015
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/07/israels-new-justice-minister-considers-all-palestinians-to-be-the-enemy/
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Rabbi Ben Dahan: "Palestinians are beasts, they are not human"
New deputy defense minister called Palestinians ‘animals’
Source: Times of Israel, May 11, 2015
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“The Palestinians aren’t educated towards peace, nor to they want it,” he said.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-deputy-defense-minister-called-palestinians-animals/
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How the Right-wing Already Won Israel's Culture War
Source: Haaretz, Jun 27, 2015
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http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.663151
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Ya'alon: “The Palestinian threat harbors cancer-like attributes that have to be severed. There are all kinds of solutions to cancer. Some say it’s necessary to amputate organs but at the moment I am applying chemotherapy.”
We must destroy Palestinian threat, army chief says
Source: The Guardian, 27 August 2002
Israeli leftwingers criticised his blunt assessment of the danger, saying he had overstepped the mark separating the military from the politicians.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/27/israel
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Source: Tablet Mag, July 15, 2010
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http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/39692/fibi-netanyahu
Could you please explain how these statements aren't racist (apart from the one by Regev) when the context is added? We obviously have different views on what constitutes racism...
shira
(30,109 posts)Be honest.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)and its hard to NOT say anything about them which the extreme-left won't call "bigotry."
shira
(30,109 posts)Best to pretend the terrorists are poor innocent victims who have no other choice than to stab, run over, and blow up random Jews.
Love Jew murdering terrorists, dammit! LOVE THEM!
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)You justified UNESCO's racist vote based on Israeli occupation.
You keep posting articles from Gideon Levy here & he justifies terror attacks (racism) against Jews.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)You seem to believe that causation is always the same as justification. In this case it's not - the resolution seems to biased and uses the language of the occupied rather than the occupier, but that can't really be racist, can it?
We do seem to differ on whether it's Israel's treatment of people and places under its occupation, or the resolution condemning it that's the problem.
shira
(30,109 posts)As to Gideon Levy, he was very clear that terror is justified.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=131390
It’s true that this kind of terror also hurts innocent people brutally. Its means are similar too. Palestinians attacked planes when Osama Bin Laden was still a business administration student in King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah, and Palestinian suicide terrorists preceded ISIS. But all this cannot cover up the difference: ISIS’s goals are insane, the Palestinians’ goals are justified.
What would you say to a Gazan youngster hesitating whether to join the resistance? Is there any point to his life and any chance for his future if he and his colleagues bow their heads submissively before their jailers? Is there anyone, in Israel or the rest of the world, who would remember their existence without the violent resistance that is tagged as terrorism? And their brothers in the West Bank — violence may not have given them any real achievements, but at least it raised their issue and put it on the agenda.
Let’s be honest about it: Had the Palestinians not hijacked airplanes in the early '70s, would anyone in the world know about their disaster? Be interested in their fate? True, nothing has been solved since then, but this is despite their desperate resort to terror, not because of it.
Israel has given the Palestinians and the Arab world a fateful lesson — it understands only force. Only force got Israel to return Sinai, only force led it to the Oslo talks, only by force will the Palestinian problem be solved. This force, in the case of people who have no army or air force, is terror.
The first 20 years of occupation, during which there was little terror, passed pleasantly, so it occurred to nobody to give the Palestinians even a few of their rights. Terror put these rights onto the agenda. Because of the first intifada, they reached Oslo.
The second intifada, which was more savage, brought disaster on them — they lost some of the world’s sympathy and some of the sympathy toward them in Israel. But terror was and remained their only weapon. They have no other. Even if they destroy their entire shabby weapons’ arsenal and swear to walk in the light of Mahatma Gandhi, they have no chance of getting what is theirs without terror.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.710588
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 21, 2016, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)
In fact, it doesn't even have to be Hamas, it can be fellow authoritarian brutal dictatorships speaking on behalf of the Palestinians at the UN. It could be Gideon Levy justifying terror on behalf of Palestinians. Or Mondoweiss. Or anyone from BDS.
None of that can possibly be racism in your view.
You won't see antipathy vs. Jews no matter how ugly if it's supposedly in the language of, or on behalf of the "oppressed". Of course, Jews don't count in the oppression olympics as we're Zionist oppressors throughout the world......therefore anything we do or say in self-defense (yeah, as if we're ever under threat according to our accusers) is racist.
Is that how it works?
Just wondering.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Please point out in what way this resolution is different than any other resolution condemning the attempts of an occupier to change the status quo in occupied territory. For me, it seems to be pretty standard stuff.
shira
(30,109 posts)PA: Denial of Jewish history 'victory for Palestinian people'
A Fatah press release said that the importance of the decision lies in its content, specifically that it denies any historical connection between Jews and Jerusalem and the Temple Mount.
"...It signed the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Resolution (UNESCO), issued last Thursday to deny the existence of any religious association of Jews Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Western Wall.."
You're disingenuously pretending this has to do with occupation when it's a complete denial of Jewish historical/cultural association with the Mount, our holiest site on earth.
aranthus
(3,386 posts)Let's assume that the Palestinians have a case to make (I believe that they actually do to some extent, although they are more in the wrong than the Israelis). That reasonable case would be something along the lines of, "We want a state of our own, and we are willing to agree that the Jews can have a state of their own as well." Except that isn't what the Palestinians have always argued. Instead, they have always claimed that the Jews have no right to a state of their own, and that the Palestinians are entitled to everything. This latest UNESCO resolution is of a piece with that. Instead of merely complaining about the supposed wrongs of the Israelis, the Palestinians used it as a vehicle for furthering their true agenda: denying Jewish connection and right to a state in Israel. It's not a case of bias. It's not a case of different causation from justification. Here they are the same, just as they have been for decades. The cause is Palestinian hostility to a Jewish state, and the justification (such as it is) is that same hostility. The resolution is a weapon in the Palestinian war against the rights of the Jewish people and the existence of Israel.
shira
(30,109 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)It reads like a list of Israeli attempts to change the status quo in occupied Palestine, as well as some appended deploration of the Gaza blockade.
Are there any of those listed Israeli actions that you actually support? Perhaps the allegations that Israel is trying to change the status quo are untrue in some way?
shira
(30,109 posts)PA: Denial of Jewish history 'victory for Palestinian people'
A Fatah press release said that the importance of the decision lies in its content, specifically that it denies any historical connection between Jews and Jerusalem and the Temple Mount.
"...It signed the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Resolution (UNESCO), issued last Thursday to deny the existence of any religious association of Jews Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Western Wall.."
That's not anti-Israel.
It's anti-Jewish, a perfect example of antipathy towards Jews. This is an affront against all Jews worldwide, not Israel.
Mosby
(17,474 posts)Wild beasts is an overly literal rendering of the Hebrew phrase bibi used. It's usually translated as "predator" which is how he meant it.
shira
(30,109 posts)....to just walk across the border into Israel. Calling these terrorists predators is so awfully racist.
But that's not the point of these billboards. The point is to paint Netanyahu as a racist who calls all Arabs predators or wild beasts. Demonstrates the agenda of the BDS movement who without any doubt support these terrorists whose goal is to murder Jews in masses.
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shira
(30,109 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Perhaps Netanyahu meant "predators" in the positive sense?
shira
(30,109 posts)Classy stuff.
But please, do keep posting from Mondoweiss to demonstrate how vile antizionist BDS is.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Could you please provide some actual info on the alleged Temple denial? The Google only gives me right-wing websites with no actual facts...
It should also be pointed out that there's no evidence of the exact locations of the previous buildings on the Temple Mount, as there have been no excavations. As I don't know what form of Temple denial has taken place, and all the allegations seem to originate from right-wing sources, I can assume that the whole thing is a question of hasbara vs archaeology...
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 22, 2016, 08:08 AM - Edit history (2)
July 6, 2013 at 1:07 pm
the Jewish Temples in Jerusalem, on top of which now stand the Dome of the Rock and Aksa Mosque.
allegedly. there’s no proof that was the location of some grand temple. maybe lots of jewish stuff retroactively lands itself right underneath islamic structures. did you ever think of that? jealous much?
edit, ramzi i just saw you’re comment. you’re so mature and rational. now i think maybe i wasn’t very sweet in my response to gilad. oh well.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140723214306/http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/symbols-occupation-settlers.html
Yet another antisemitic attempt to deny Jewish claims to any part of the land.
There is no serious scholarship denying a Jewish Temple (Herod's Temple) existed on the Mount. But there's plenty of evidence from credible sources like the Smithsonian, for example, that it did...
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-is-beneath-the-temple-mount-920764/?no-ist
There's also Flavius Josephus from that time period.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)- I have no hangups on Jewish historical links to Jerusalem. It's just not proven yet.
However, if you would've read the comments to the article you posted, it's pretty clear that this Robbins person is simply very skeptical of using secondary evidence to conclusively prove anything. I wouldn't class that as Temple denial at all. It seems as if the context was deliberately left out by the right-wing sources that reported this.
Typical hasbara...
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 22, 2016, 12:43 PM - Edit history (1)
Again, here's what that nasty racist hag wrote...
She accuses Jews of a conspiracy, retroactively planting evidence of a Temple. That we're "jealous".
Vile.
And it's not that there's no Temple under the Dome of the Rock. She says there's no evidence of a Temple on any part of the Mount.
but when jon says “The existense of the Second Temple on the Temple Mount is not in question. ” it just makes sense to me that one might call the location of ones temple ‘the temple mount’. but why should i have any certainty the mount of a jewish temple was in the location of al aqsa mosque?
That's clear denial.
by you jon, but not by me.
and in case anyone is listening in, i am not saying, nor do i believe there is “no evidence of any Jewish presence in the area and every bit of archaeology found there is fake”. it just means i don’t believe biblical lore.
That's Temple Denial. Be honest. No serious scholarship denies Herod's Temple on the Mount. We're talking history, not biblical lore.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)A proof is never stronger than the arguments supporting it. When there's only secondary evidence for the location of the Temples, their location is simply not certain. Skepticism isn't denial, and the last statement clearly expresses skepticism.
I feel that our disagreement has nothing to with Robbins, and it's probably useless to discuss this further.
shira
(30,109 posts)read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681589
Was there once a great Jewish temple on Jerusalem’s Temple Mount? Yes. Does any scholar genuinely doubt there was? No, say archaeologists who have spent their lives studying Jerusalem. "I feel stupid even having to comment on it," says Dr. Yuval Baruch, a leading Israeli archaeologist who has studied Jerusalem throughout his career. "Demanding proof that the Temples stood on the Mount is like demanding proof that the ancient stone walls surrounding Jerusalem, which stand to this day, were the ancient stone walls surrounding Jerusalem," he adds.
The contention that there is no proof the Temples existed, let alone on the Mount, is an artifact of the recent Israeli-Arab conflict. Jewish, Christian and Muslim tradition has always held the Mount sacred and none queried the existence of the Temples. "A Brief Guide to al-Haram al-Sharif," published in English by the Supreme Muslim Council itself in 1925, states: "The site is one of the oldest in the world. Its sanctity dates from the earliest (perhaps from pre-historic) times. Its identity with the site of Solomon's Temple is beyond dispute. As well as being sacred to Jews, the hilltop plaza, which could go back as much as 5,000 years, is sacred to Muslims as the place from which the Prophet Mohammed ascended to heaven. No Muslim scholars would agree to be interviewed for this article.
Jewish tradition says the First Temple was built by King Solomon on Temple Mount. It was destroyed by the Babylonians, who expelled the Jews from the land, in about 587 B.C.E. When the Jews were allowed to return from exile some decades later, they built a new temple on the site, but it was a simple structure. Their makeshift effort was not to the taste of King Herod, who swept away the shabby house of worship, created a great platform on the top of the Mount and had the grand Second Temple erected on it, within a massive compound.
The Second Temple was destroyed and looted by the Romans in 70 C.E., under Emperor Titus. How much of this can be proved? Almost all.
Carved in stone
Archaeologists cannot conclusively point to stones they know comprised the Second Temple, let alone the first one. But as Prof. Israel Finkelstein, a world-renowned expert on Jerusalem archaeology, spells out in an email to Haaretz, "There is no scholarly school of thought that doubts the existence of the First Temple."
All the archaeologists Haaretz spoke with for this article believe that if Temple Mount could be excavated – which it never has been – such evidence would be found, even if many of the stones were repurposed over the centuries. But concrete finds definitively from the Temple exist in abundance, says Bar-Ilan University Prof. Gabriel Barkay, an archaeologist who has spent many years working in Jerusalem, and the area of Temple Mount in particular.
"Two copies of inscriptions prohibiting the entry of nonbelievers to the Temple have been found on Temple Mount, which Josephus wrote about. These inscriptions were on the dividing wall that surrounded the Second Temple, which prevented non-Jews from accessing the interior of the [Temple] courtyard," Barkay says, adding that both were written in ancient Greek. The "warning" stone, which is at the Istanbul Archaeological Museum, warns non-Jews of the perils of entering the sacred Temple. There were additional, similar inscriptions in Latin, he says.
Another inscription in stone, "To the trumpeting place," was found in 1968 at the southwest corner of Temple Mount. "It is known that trumpets were blown at the corners of Temple Mount, to declare the advent of Shabbat and other dates," Barkay explains. Josephus, the ancient historian of ephemeral loyalties, explains that it was customary for a Temple priest to "stand and to give notice, by sound of trumpet, in the afternoon of the approach, and on the following evening of the close, of every seventh day." The stone is now at the Israel Museum.
Inscriptions
Further concrete evidence attests to Jerusalem’s uniqueness in religious observance. "The ancient city of Jerusalem at the time of the First Temple was clearly a hub of ritual worship," says Baruch, who heads the Israel Antiquities Authority’s Jerusalem district. "The hundreds of mikvehs (ritual purification baths) found around the Temple Mount compound and Jewish artifacts made of stone found there show that until the Temple's destruction, at least, Jerusalem was an 'ir mikdash' (holy city), where what matters is the house of worship. Athens and Olympia were like that, too."
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We don't need to rely exclusively on digging in Jerusalem for solid evidence that the Mount housed the Second Temple. Roman Emperor Titus was not coy about his achievement in crushing the Jewish rebellion in 70 C.E. and destroying the Temple in Jerusalem.
"Herod had destroyed whatever was on the Mount and built a giant platform on its top, on which he finished building the Second Temple. The Arch of Titus in Rome shows the procession following the gleeful plunder of the Temple by the Romans, even showing the menorah they removed," says archaeology writer Julia Fridman. Whatever their quirks, the ancient Roman emperors didn't make up a temple on the Mount just to mess with the minds of latter-day warmongers.
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Yet more solid evidence is found with elaborately stamped coins from the Bar Kochba era (second century C.E.), showing the Temple with its Roman-style pillars. The coins don't state that the Temple was on Temple Mount, a fact that makes Fridman snort. "It wasn't anywhere else – everywhere else has been excavated," she says. "The Muslims built the mosque there because it was a holy site … they conquered the land and stamped it with a mosque. That's what they did in Mecca as well – the Kaaba is a pagan site, a meteor that had been worshipped."
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"The question of whether archaeological finds prove the existence of the Temple on Temple Mount is cynical and provocative," says Barkay. "These are things known to anybody with culture and cannot be cast in doubt. We have dozens of literary sources, including Muslim sources, describing the Temple."
Over the last century, political strife has made proper excavation of the Mount unthinkable. Yet the argument, notably by certain Muslim radicals, that a Jewish temple never existed there is a specious political artifact, with zero basis in history, archaeology, religion or tradition. Barkay believes –certain Muslim leaders are trying to have things both ways. "They claim there are no remains of the Temple, but they don't allow any digging (on Temple Mount). If they would allow digging, remains would be found," he asserts.
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While much of the Second Temple compound still exists, if not the actual Temple itself, no remains of the First Temple have ever been found. But Elephantine Island in ancient Egypt harbored a replica of the First Temple. The Elephantine Papyri from the fifth-fourth centuries B.C.E. contain a document written in 407 B.C.E. to the Persian governor of Judea, Bagoas, pleading for help in repairing the recently built Second Temple, which was damaged in a pogrom.
The "Petition to Bagoas" is relevant since the author mentions the age of the Elephantine replica – which, by definition, had to be younger than the Israelite Temple in Jerusalem on which it was based: “Now our forefathers built this temple in the fortress of Elephantine back in the days of the kingdom of Egypt, and when Cambyses came to Egypt he found it built. They (the Persians) knocked down all the temples of the gods of Egypt, but no one did any damage to this temple."
Baruch shrugs off the one piece of evidence that’s purportedly from the First Temple – a tiny carved pomegranate made of hippopotamus bone, with paleo-Hebrew writing running along the shoulders of the fruit. At the time of its discovery, it was thought to have adorned the high priest's scepter for use within the inner sanctum of the Temple, and was thought to prove the existence of Solomon's Temple. The consensus now is that it's a fake, but in any case Baruch simply dismisses it as an irrelevancy, given the clear-cut evidence of Jerusalem's status in the First Temple era – notably, the mikvehs in their hundreds.
Liturgical evidence
So, possibly starting with Canaanites worshipping Lord knows who, to the ancient Israelites, to the Christians and, finally, to the Muslims, Temple Mount has been held sacred.
"Muslim historians and geographers of the Middle Ages never doubted it," says Baruch. "I don't know a single description of Jerusalem in Arabic from the Middle Ages, or even the earlier period or later one, that does not relate to Haram al-Sharif as the site of the Temple." Islam does not necessarily distinguish between the First and Second Temples, he adds. For them, Solomon built his temple there and that is that.
Historical evidence is abundant, too, and not only from Jewish sources. From the Babylonians and Romans to the Greeks and Persians, the Jewish Temples on the Mount were recorded.
The Letter of Aristeas, for example, from the second century B.C.E., describes how King Ptolemy (285-247 B.C.E.) was urged by his conscientious librarian to have the scriptures and laws of the Jews translated for his library. Ptolemy sent Aristeas to the Jewish high priest Eliezer, who agreed to cooperate. Ptolemy rewarded Eliezer with silver for the temple sacrifices.
There are accounts of the Temple in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and much loving detail about it in the Mishna. By the time the Crusaders became involved in Jerusalem from 1099 C.E. on, the Temples were long gone, but they still harbored no doubt.
"Anybody who pursues historical research and has read the ancient texts would reach the categorical conclusion that the Temple existed on Temple Mount," Barkay sums up.
With the facts so clear, why does the history of Temple Mount remain controversial? "The controversy does not come from the scholarly world. It is all politics and propaganda (by people with no sense of learning)," Finkelstein tells Haaretz. "The fact that the Temple Mount cannot be properly explored is, of course, a factor – though I guess the deniers would deny its existence even if it had been found standing 10 meters high."
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681589
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 23, 2016, 02:46 AM - Edit history (2)
LoL.
Which noble sanctuary do you think they're referring to if not the Temple?
Seriously, this is like debating whether the Holocaust was real. You defend every idiotic thing from Mondoweiss because you have some paranoid fear that admitting to any wrong there is a repudiation of every and anything you believe about I/P. Similar to religious extremism, never admitting to anything questionable or wrong. How embarrassing.
shira
(30,109 posts)http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/shlomo-resign-jewish/
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/12/shlomo-sand-on-zionism-post-zionism-and-the-two-state-solution/
From Phillip Weiss who takes so much pleasure sharing a night with Sand...
http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/at-nyu-devilish-shlomo-sand-predicts-the-jewish-past-and-pastes-the-zionists/
You know, the real ugly type of antisemitism denying Jews are a people, that they are really Khazars, that they have no real connection to Israel.
Similar to no Temple existing in Jerusalem & Jews are fabricating a history there, planting evidence as Annie Robbins argues. Anything to deny Jewish rights & history in Israel. Pure antisemitism.
Good luck defending that nazi Khazar trash. Oh, and by the way, welcome to Mondoweiss.