Top PA negotiator floats single state as US casts doubt on Palestinian independenc

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And away we go. Palestinians--the smart ones anyways--have been planning for the post-two-state solution era.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/top-pa-negotiator-floats-single-state-as-us-casts-doubt-on-palestinian-independence/

The only alternative to the creation of a Palestinian state is a one-state solution in which all Palestinians will get the right to vote, Palestine Liberation Organization Secretary-General Saeb Erekat said Wednesday, hours after a senior White House official appeared to withdraw the US’s traditional support for a two-state solution.

“Contrary to [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu’s plan of one state and two systems, apartheid, the only alternative to two sovereign and democratic states on the 1967 border is one single secular and democratic state with equal rights for everyone, Christians, Muslims, and Jews, on all of historic Palestine,” Erekat said during a meeting with the speaker of the UK House of Commons, John Bercow, in Ramallah.

Lots of negotiating to be done, starting with what to call the new state.

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1. Same guy that refused to speak at the Haaretz conference if an Israel flag was on stage.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-curious-incident-of-the-flag-at-the-haaretz-conference/

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2. How many Israeli pols would speak with the flag of Palestine

or Iran behind them?

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3. Palestinian flag in Knesset

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4. Never going to happen.

The fighting will continue though. That's the only constant.

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6. I don't think it's feasible

due to the current immigration climate / mood.

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7. Are you saying if enough people leave, immigrate to the USA, then there should be 1 state for those

who remain? Annex Palestinian land if enough Palestinians emigrate?

Is this what you mean?

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9. Did the Palestinians ever believe in the two state solution?

Hasn't one Arab state been their end game all along?

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10. In general they'd certainly be eager to have their

own legit state without the IDF occupying their land.

They're not stupid enough to think they could take down Israel by force.

However, Israel has given them an opening to do it nonviolently via the ballot box.

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11. They counted on Egypt, Syria and the other Arab states to take down Israel by force

1948, 1967, 1973.

And lets not forget the PLO and Hamas' incessant terrorist attacks on Israel. Violence was at the core of their strategy since the beginning.

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14. What percentage of currently-living Palestinians were older than, say, 12 years old

back in 1973?

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19. They were old enough

During the intifada and Hamas' terror campaign. The new generation is no different then the preceeding one

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20. Incisive demographic analysis is rarely based

on ethnic resentment.

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21. Ethnic hatred is what drives the violent elements

of Palestinian society. Unfortunately that is the demographic that is running things.

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12. Missing the point.

Of course they want their own state. The question is are they willing to allow the Jews to have their own state? Or put another way, do they want the Jewish state gone more than they want a state of their own? History says that the answer to that question is yes, which is why they don't have a state of their own. Which is also why they won't get one state at the ballot box. As long as they don't accept the Jewish state, then there is no reason that the Israelis have to give them a vote on the issue.

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13. no, the question is if you give them their own state, are they going to have any ability to prevent

Jews from retaining their own homeland state, and the answer is no.

Under no deal terms whatsoever have the Palestinians been promised full statehood--including the right to make their own military alliances, control their own borders, and their own airspace, their own internal security, and own groundwater.

It's not rocket science, give them (a) their own state and (b) their own responsibility to provide for their voters and they'd be too busy fighting amongst themselves about bread and butter to worry about planting their flag in Tel Aviv.

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15. what voters?

There hasn't been a Palestinian election for 10 years. "Palestine" is going to be a dictatorship, just like ALL the neighboring Muslim countries.

Jews and Christians need not apply.

That's what you support as a progressive, right?

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16. there's not much of the current reality in the Middle East to support nt

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17. Not nearly good enough

If someone is trying to kill you it's not enough that you can defend yourself. You want them to stop trying to kill you. It's not rocket science. Give them a state of their own and they will use it to attack Israel or prepare to attack Israel. What they have been promised is irrelevant. If they have the intent (and they do), then they will find a way to obtain weapons. Israel isn't required to to just give away strategic territory and hope for the best. Granted, the Palestinians could simply violate any peace agreement, but at least they would have to deal with that.

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18. I'm sure Pharaoh used similar justifications.

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22. Then you don't know much Bible or history

The Israelites had never threatened the Egyptians before they were enslaved, nor had there been any violence by the Israelites against the Egyptians until Moses slew the overseer to keep him from whipping a slave to death. The Palestinians have violently opposed the existence of a Jewish state since the 1920's before there even was an Israel. Is false analogies the best you can do?

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23. if we're talking about actual history, the Israelites faced aggression precisely because they had

power and were a threat, not so much by themselves but because they were allied with other regional powers.

Are you conceding that there were Palestinians back in the 1920's?