Netanyahu blamed for propping up Hamas and more

[AntiFascist]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from
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https://news.cornell.edu/media-relations/tip-sheets/cornell-scholar-netanyahus-policy-failures-display-following-attack

Cornell scholar: Netanyahu’s policy failures on display following attack

Uriel Abulof is a visiting professor in Cornell University’s government department and a professor of politics at Tel-Aviv University.
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“Since the mid-1990s, Netanyahu first bolstered Hamas to undermine the more moderate Fatah/PLO so as to advance his ‘no Palestinian partner for peace’ thesis. Second, over the past ten months, focusing on undermining Israel’s democracy and diverting resources, including military, to his ultra-religious nationalist supporters, ignoring all warnings on its ill-effects, not least on the IDF. Right now, IDF soldiers seem to rely much more on Israel’s robust civil society for logistical, financial, and moral support, than on its own government.
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[elleng]

1. 'at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood'

[sabbat hunter]

8. Abbas

Doesn't give a crap about his fellow Palestinians. He only cares about enriching himself, just like his predecessor Arafat. Abbas is wealthy man from all the money he stole. Arafat died a wealthy man for the same reason.

[MOMFUDSKI]

2. It is a start

to usher him off stage.

[Fiendish Thingy]

3. Bringing down Netanyahu would be one positive outcome from this tragedy. Nt

[Martin68]

4. This aspect of the conflict is under-reported. Netanyahu employed a divide and conquer strategy to

keep the Palestinians weak by playing Hamas off against the Palestine Liberation Organization. In doing so, he created a monster in Gaza. Israel and Palestine are now suffering as a result of that sick strategy.

[Israeli]

5. and more ....

Egypt intelligence official says Israel ignored repeated warnings of ‘something big’

Cairo official says Israel focused on West Bank instead of Gaza; Egypt’s spy chief said to warn PM of ‘terrible operation,’ Netanyahu denies it

By AGENCIES

9 October 2023

Mounting questions over Israel’s massive intelligence failure to anticipate and prepare for a surprise Hamas assault were compounded Monday when an Egyptian intelligence official said that Jerusalem had ignored repeated warnings that the Gaza-based terror group was planning “something big” — which included an apparent direct notice from Cairo’s intelligence minister to the prime minister.

The Egyptian official said Egypt, which often serves as a mediator between Israel and Hamas, had spoken repeatedly with the Israelis about “something big,” without elaborating.

He said Israeli officials were focused on the West Bank and played down the threat from Gaza. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government is made up of supporters of West Bank settlers who have demanded a security crackdown there in the face of a rising tide of violence over the last 18 months.

The Egyptian official said Egypt, which often serves as a mediator between Israel and Hamas, had spoken repeatedly with the Israelis about “something big,” without elaborating.

“We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings,” the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to discuss the content of sensitive intelligence discussions with the media, told The Associated Press.

Netanyahu denied receiving any such advance warning, saying in the course of an address to the nation Monday night that the story was “fake news.”

Source : https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

[Martin68]

7. Apparently Netanyahu thought Hamas was in his corner, or at least sufficiently subdued.

Everybody's guard was down along the Gaza border where they thought walls, fences, automatic video surveillance, and even remote control machine guns would bee sufficient to prevent a surprise attack. Troops had been repositioned along the West Bank, and in the north along the Lebanese border.

[sabbat hunter]

9. Did Bibi

deliberately ignore the warnings because he wanted an excuse to flatten Gaza?

[Israeli]

14. According to Bibi

there were no warnings because its " fake news " so how could he
deliberately ignore them ?

[Think. Again.]

26. Netanyahu is rightwing...

...the safest and most appropriate response is to disbelief everything he says until it can be proved he is telling the truth.

That's just common sense.

[Mosby]

10. The accusation was retracted by the egyptians.

[Israeli]

15. Top US lawmaker affirms Cairo warned Israel days before onslaught

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-us-lawmaker-affirms-cairo-warned-israel-days-before-onslaught/

[Mosby]

20. You're quoting a RW congressperson.

Who has little credibility.

[Israeli]

6. Netanyahu's approach to Gaza has bolstered Hamas, destroyed the strip, and endangered everyone in it

Source : https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-political-solution-gaza/

In my view, the most urgent priority is negotiating with Hamas to secure the safe return of captives — women and children first of all — in exchange for the release of Palestinian prisoners. A revenge attack on Gaza is expected to kill many Israeli prisoners and thousands of Palestinian citizens, and to help Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is responsible for this security failure, to survive politically. But it will not help the parents and children whose loved ones were kidnapped, and not the two national collectives who wish to survive in this land.

[Mosby]

11. Is every response by Israel revenge in your opinion?

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Do you believe what the author said about "No Israeli leader is telling the truth"? Seems like kinda a jaded, anti-Israel view, don't you think?

Do you agree with the author that the only solution is to sit down with Hamas and agree to open the borders?

[Martin68]

12. The fact that every response by Israel is so disproportionate - far more civilians are killed in

their reprisals than are killed in terrorist attacks - suggests an Old Testament revenge motive is actually in play. No one is talking about opening borders until a comprehensive agreement is reached, which must include a two-state solution. Hitler was the one with the military power. Comparing Hamas to Hitler is absurd. The Palestinians are weak, and terrorism is their only recourse when Israel refuses to abide by international agreements, and no country is willing to enforce those agreements. So Netanyahu encourages thousands more settlers to build on Palestinian land. Arabs are expelled from their homes in Jerusalem. You can't treat people like this and expect them to roll over and submit to inhuman conditions. Israel has confined the Palestinians in a ghetto without rights. Sound familiar? Netanyahu is more like Hitler than Hamas is. Remember the Nazi slogan about lebensraum? What do you think the settlements represent?

[Mosby]

13. I wasn't talking to you.

Nt.

[Martin68]

18. No need to be rude, Mosby. DU threads are a conversation open to all members. If you don't

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want anybody else's opinion, you can skip their posts without reading them. I'd rather have a conversation with open-minded people anyway. People who have already made up their minds without considering different views get trapped in an echo chamber of their own making.

[Israeli]

16. ............

In my view, the most urgent priority is negotiating with Hamas to secure the safe return of captives — women and children first of all — in exchange for the release of Palestinian prisoners. A revenge attack on Gaza is expected to kill many Israeli prisoners and thousands of Palestinian citizens, and to help Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is responsible for this security failure, to survive politically. But it will not help the parents and children whose loved ones were kidnapped, and not the two national collectives who wish to survive in this land.

[Mosby]

19. Israel released almost 1000 terrorists for shalit.

That kind of thing isn't going to work this time due to the sheer number of hostages.

No one claimed that the US went into Afganistan after 9/11 for revenge or retribution. The media and public accepted the need to erode al qaeda abilities, capture it's leadership and bring them to justice.

The framing here though, is designed to demonize Israel and the IDF.

[Martin68]

21. The US did not kill thousands of Afghan civilians in bombing attacks after 9/11.

They did, however, kill more than 100;000 civilians in Iraq during the invasion there. The dead don't care if it was revenge or accidental.

[Mosby]

22. Yeah, we did, 46,000 civilians.

The American war in Afghanistan incurred staggering costs — for the United States, Afghans and others — over two decades. The U.S. government spent $2.3 trillion, and the war led to the deaths of 2,324 U.S. military personnel, 3,917 U.S. contractors and 1,144 allied troops. For Afghans, the statistics are nearly unimaginable: 70,000 Afghan military and police deaths, 46,319 Afghan civilians (although that is likely a significant underestimation) and some 53,000 opposition fighters killed. Almost 67,000 other people were killed in Pakistan in relation to the Afghan war.

https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/11/afghanistan-was-loss-better-peace

[Martin68]

23. Was that during the attacks on Al Qaeda training camps and the Taliban, or during the

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occupation of Afghanistan?

[Israeli]

24. Wrong again Mosby .....

Israel names 300 Palestinian prisoners, mostly teens, who could be freed in hostage deal

Source : https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-november-22-2023/

You know nothing about us if you thought for one moment we would not make a deal .
Only ones that voted against it were Bibi's fanatical right wing religious fascist's.
Just another nail in their coffin politically when this is all over .

[Lithos]

25. Watching this...

Seems personal..

N/T

[Israeli]

17. In responce to

"" Do you believe what the author said about "No Israeli leader is telling the truth"? ""

Depends on which Israeli leaders and which political party they belong to .

I dont believe Bibi or anyone from our religious right wing fanatics .

and Im not alone in that view :

Peace Now in a letter to the President of the United States and the UN Secretary-General: Do not believe Netanyahu. His government is effectively annexing the oPt.
20.9.23

Following the meeting between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Biden (20.09.23), and before Netanyahu’s speech at the UN, Peace Now has sent letters to United States President, Joe Biden, and the UN Secretary-General, Antonio Guterres.

In the letters, Peace Now’s Executive Director, Lior Amihai, calls on them not to believe Netanyahu’s expected statements about Israel’s commitment to peace or the two-state solution, emphasizing that under his leadership, Israel’s government has been actively engaged in actions that annex the West Bank and threaten the prospects for a just and lasting resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In a recent report published by our Settlement Watch team, we outline the key decisions and political steps taken by Israel in the occupied West Bank over the past nine months since the formation of the Netanyahu-Smotrich-Ben Gvir government. The report shows a clear picture of Israel’s de facto annexation activities in the occupied West Bank, which blatantly contradicted PM Netanyahu’s previous commitments, most recently in the Abraham Accords. These actions are changing the political reality of the State of Israel and the physical landscape of the West Bank, effectively leading to the de facto annexation of the West Bank.

The report highlights 13 specific actions that contribute to this alarming reality, among them:

– Creation of the “Settler Administration” – a new governmental and civil body established to oversee all aspects of settler life within the occupied territories
– Record approval of housing units in settlements
– Legalization and transformation of 15 unauthorized outposts into settlements.
– Promotion of new settlements in East Jerusalem.
– Repeal of the Disengagement Law and a series of decisions to deepen settler presence in the northern West Bank.
– Significant changes to planning procedures in the West Bank, granting Minister Smotrich unchecked authority.
– Unprecedented budget allocation for infrastructure and settlement development.
– Establishment of six tourist settlements within Palestinian-populated areas.
– The creation of a new settlement in Hebron.
These actions are rapidly altering the status quo in the West Bank and further entrenching the Israeli settlement enterprise.

Peace Now implores to critically assess PM Netanyahu’s false statements and to hold Israel accountable for its actions in the occupied West Bank, which undermine the viability of a two-state solution. Peace Now remains dedicated to the pursuit of a just and peaceful resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and calls upon the international community to support efforts that promote peace, security, and justice for all.

Source : https://peacenow.org.il/en/peace-now-in-a-letter-to-the-president-of-the-united-states-and-the-un-secretary-general