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elias7

(4,188 posts)
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 03:47 PM Nov 2023

If you're losing a war, do you get to call timeout?

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Lithos (a host of the Israel/Palestine group).

I am confused as to why much of the world public opinion is condemning Israel for not declaring an unconditional ceasefire.

In my limited understanding of military history, when two groups are engaged in conflict and one is clearly pummeling the other mercilessly, it would seem that the losing side can and should negotiate for a ceasefire by 1) surrendering, 2) releasing hostages, and 3) disarming.

Leaving it to Israel to take the high road and declare a ceasefire without conditions is absurd and only a tenable position if we assume that the Gazans are voiceless and the victims of their own leadership.

If Hamas is ignoring the pleas of its own people (including hoarding hundreds of thousands gallons of fuel) and is unwilling to acknowledge it has lost the war, then it needs to bear the burden of bad PR and condemnation from groups who are not doing so now (the UN, the new/college left, etc).

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NCIndie

(556 posts)
1. I fundamentally agree but...
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 04:41 PM
Nov 2023

… do you think that Hamas is worried in the slightest about bad PR?

Beastly Boy

(11,147 posts)
5. Haamas is not worried, but the rest of the world should get the message.
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 06:39 PM
Nov 2023

jimfields33

(18,904 posts)
2. I'm stunned by the difference between Israel Hamas war and Ukraine Russia war
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 04:56 PM
Nov 2023

Why does Russia not hounded daily for a cease fire for the Ukrainians? What’s so special about hamas that countries are protecting the Hamas terrorists? I think that there have been a ton of innocent Ukrainians who died. But no cease fire for them. Weird.

erodriguez

(730 posts)
4. What are you talking about? The US and EU have stated numerous times for Russia to end hostility with Ukraine
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 05:19 PM
Nov 2023

Response to elias7 (Original post)

Beastly Boy

(11,147 posts)
6. I have never heard of a war that was conducted sensitively.
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 06:45 PM
Nov 2023

If you only object to the headline and not the content, I am not impressed.

elias7

(4,188 posts)
7. Exactly, people outside of Gaza calling for ceasefire think it's a game
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 07:06 PM
Nov 2023

It’s a WAR. You don’t get to ask for a pause if you have lost, you surrender with terms.

Now do you want to address the substance of my OP?

Lithos

(26,455 posts)
8. Locking - per forum rules
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 12:01 AM
Nov 2023

Not based on a recent news or op-ed article.

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