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WhiteTara

(30,201 posts)
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 12:01 PM Nov 2023

Palestinians Forbidden from Collecting Rainwater Because It's Deemed 'Israeli Property'?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/palestinians-forbidden-collecting-rainwater-because-221200562.html

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In November 2023, as Israel continued its bombardment of Gaza amid the ongoing Israel-Hamas war, a number of posts drew attention to the challenges faced by Palestinians in the West Bank, in particular regarding Israeli control over water access.

A post on Reddit claimed that according to a 2011 United Nations (U.N.) report, “[A] Palestinian living in the West bank doesn't have the right to collect rainwater or build a well on HIS LAND because rain water is an 'Israeli property'.” An X post claimed, “Rainwater is the property of 'Israel'. Palestinians are forbidden from gathering rainwater” and appeared to quote a U.N. report as well.

We also received questions from readers, asking if Palestinians were indeed forbidden by Israeli authorities from gathering rainwater for “domestic and agricultural needs.”

The above claims were taken from a real report by independent human rights organizations submitted to a U.N. body in 2011, which found that Palestinians in the West Bank were not able to gather rainwater for their needs. Titled, “Israel’s violations of human rights regarding water and sanitation in the OPT [Occupied Palestinian Territories]” the report is considered a non-U.N. document, however. It was written by the Emergency Water, Sanitation and Hygiene group (EWASH), a coalition of almost 30 organizations working in the water and sanitation sector in the occupied Palestinian territory, and Al-Haq, a Palestinian human rights organization in the West Bank. It was submitted in September 2011 to the U.N. Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR), a body of independent experts in the U.N.

The report referred to a specific Israeli military order in 2009 that stated rainwater was the property of Israel (emphasis ours):

[...] in July 2009, Israeli military forces issued stop-work and/or demolition orders on cisterns being constructed in the village of Tuwani, even though the villagers of Tuwani faced a severe water shortage on account of the drought, increasingly stringent Israeli restrictions on movement necessary to gather tankered water, and attacks on water resources and infrastructure by Israeli settlers. If constructed, these cisterns would have significantly eased the water crisis for the people of Tuwani. However, according to Israeli military orders in effect in the area, rain is the property of the Israeli authorities and thus Palestinians are forbidden from gathering rain water for domestic or agricultural needs. In 2010, Israel approved the construction of a filling point in the village of Tuwani that alleviated the problem of water availability in the village even though the capacity of the filling point was significantly below the capacity requested by humanitarian agencies (less than 1/4th) in order to serve surrounding villages, which are considered as the cluster of communities most at risk of water scarcity in the West Bank.

The findings of the above report echo another finding from a 2017 Amnesty International report titled, “The Occupation of Water.” Per the report, in 1967 Israeli military authorities consolidated complete power over all water resources and water-related infrastructure in the occupied Palestinian territories. Military Order 158 required that all Palestinians get a permit from the Israeli military before constructing any new water installation. Since then, any extraction of water and water infrastructure development has had to go through Israel, which has resulted in “devastating” consequences for the Palestinians there, according to Amnesty.

The Amnesty report also stated (emphasis ours):

[The Palestinians] are unable to drill new water wells, install pumps or deepen existing wells, in addition to being denied access to the Jordan River and fresh water springs. Israel even controls the collection of rain water throughout most of the West Bank, and rainwater harvesting cisterns owned by Palestinian communities are often destroyed by the Israeli army. As a result, some 180 Palestinian communities in rural areas in the occupied West Bank have no access to running water, according to [humanitarian agency] OCHA. Even in towns and villages which are connected to the water network, the taps often run dry.

A 2016 Al Jazeera English report found that Palestinian villages in the West Bank received water supplies for only two hours in a week. While Israel implemented a policy of water cuts each summer, it had reached a higher peak that year. Israeli officials, however, said the authorities provided equal amounts of water in Israel and Palestinian territories.

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Palestinians Forbidden from Collecting Rainwater Because It's Deemed 'Israeli Property'? (Original Post) WhiteTara Nov 2023 OP
Many of us are being informed of injustices that Palestinians have endured duhneece Nov 2023 #1
I did not know this. WhiteTara Nov 2023 #2
I am only one, but I am one who can act duhneece Nov 2023 #3
Outrageous Bayard Nov 2023 #4
In Colorado, k55f5r Nov 2023 #5
That's true for a number of western states Abnredleg Nov 2023 #6
People also have voting rights in Colorado. Seems like an important distinction. David__77 Nov 2023 #10
Not anymore RainWalker Nov 2023 #11
Yes, but in Colorado it's illegal to prevent somebody who's bought the mineral rights Igel Nov 2023 #12
Thanks for posting. Comprehensive exposure is important. David__77 Nov 2023 #7
so am I... learning new things about the Israeli's attitudes WhiteTara Nov 2023 #8
Me too. David__77 Nov 2023 #9
Masada had huge cisterns dug into the ground to collect rainwater. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #13
apparently they have been destroyed. WhiteTara Nov 2023 #14

duhneece

(4,257 posts)
1. Many of us are being informed of injustices that Palestinians have endured
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 12:10 PM
Nov 2023

I’m glad for factual information.

duhneece

(4,257 posts)
3. I am only one, but I am one who can act
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 12:29 PM
Nov 2023

After I weep for injustice, I can do something..even if that is to put information out there that I have recently learned about.

Bayard

(24,145 posts)
4. Outrageous
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 12:45 PM
Nov 2023

That's like the U.S. saying we own the moon because we were there once.

Once again, the West Bank does not belong to Israel.

k55f5r

(454 posts)
5. In Colorado,
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 12:48 PM
Nov 2023

It's illegal to collect rainwater, as it's considered property of the water rights owner. Oh the inhumanity!!!

Abnredleg

(986 posts)
6. That's true for a number of western states
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 12:53 PM
Nov 2023

They put strict limits on how much rain water a household can collect.

Igel

(36,201 posts)
12. Yes, but in Colorado it's illegal to prevent somebody who's bought the mineral rights
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 09:10 PM
Nov 2023

to what's under the surface property rights owner from accessing the minerals.

You have some land and it's determined there's something useful under there and Trump leases the rights to those minerals from the State of Colorado, you have no legal right to stop him from mining.

https://slb.colorado.gov/lease/mining

Things vary.

(The bit with at-Tuwani is distressing--but how Jews were dispossessed of West Bank territories during the time that Jordan occupied then annexed the West bank is also distressing. And how Jews were treated under Ottoman law, also distressing. Lots of victimization and oppression to go around, but while 3D glasses use red and blue filters, most just have on all-blue or all-red glasses.)

David__77

(23,879 posts)
7. Thanks for posting. Comprehensive exposure is important.
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 12:54 PM
Nov 2023

Many people are watching and learning right now.

WhiteTara

(30,201 posts)
8. so am I... learning new things about the Israeli's attitudes
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 01:11 PM
Nov 2023

that I didn't know before.

David__77

(23,879 posts)
9. Me too.
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 01:22 PM
Nov 2023

It seems to me that, the more information that comes out, no matter of what kind, it’s not favorable for the maintenance of the current system. It relies on inattentiveness.

keithbvadu2

(40,379 posts)
13. Masada had huge cisterns dug into the ground to collect rainwater.
Fri Nov 24, 2023, 10:39 PM
Nov 2023

That was how they could survive year round.

It was blistering hot, bone dry the day I went there on a tour.

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