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Eugene

(62,658 posts)
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 07:29 AM Dec 2023

Israel releases map 'advising Gazans of safe evacuation zones' as it resumes strikes

Source: Sky News

Israel releases map 'advising Gazans of safe evacuation zones' as it resumes strikes

It comes as IDF fighter jets have resumed striking targets in Gaza after the week-long truce came to an end.

Friday 1 December 2023 11:22, UK

The Israeli military has published a map that it says advises Gazans of safe evacuation zones - as its fighter jets resumed striking targets in the densely populated strip of land.

"This divides the territory of the Gaza Strip into areas according to recognisable areas to enable the residents of Gaza to orient themselves and understand the instructions, and to evacuate from specific places for their safety if required," the army said in a statement.

The statement linked to an Israeli army website in Arabic showing an evacuation zone map. It said an Arabic-language video had been released on social networks and the map was being distributed by the army in Gaza.

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Read more: https://news.sky.com/story/israel-releases-map-advising-gazans-of-safe-evacuation-zones-as-it-resumes-strikes-13020178

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Israel releases map 'advising Gazans of safe evacuation zones' as it resumes strikes (Original Post) Eugene Dec 2023 OP
That is so claudette Dec 2023 #1
I know. It's so horrible. Goddessartist Dec 2023 #3
When? Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #4
Dear claudette Dec 2023 #5
Nobody has said they deserve to die. I'm letting you know why they are dying. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #6
Why not claudette Dec 2023 #7
Nobody is telling you what to complain about. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #8
It was obvious claudette Dec 2023 #9
Hamas knows that civilians would be killed. That's deliberate. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #10
And on and claudette Dec 2023 #11
They are the target, hiding among civilians. Their cowardly choice. Blame them. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #12
Sorry claudette Dec 2023 #13
Oh, hello again! Actually, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #14
Ceasefire didn't last very long IronLionZion Dec 2023 #2
I was in Los Angeles in '94. Igel Dec 2023 #15

claudette

(4,495 posts)
1. That is so
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 07:33 AM
Dec 2023

kind of them. I’m sure the old, disabled and terminally ill Gazans are grateful for the warning. Since when are homes and apartments a battlefield? Something has to make this insanity stop. Please God.

Oopsie Daisy

(4,502 posts)
4. When?
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 09:43 AM
Dec 2023

I guess it started when Hamas built tunnels beneath homes and apartments; and when Hamas began to shelter in civilian areas; and when Hamas began storing weapons and building communications centers in them.

The "when" part is fairly obvious. So, instead of asking WHEN, a better question to ask Hamas would be WHY? Were they hoping Israel wouldn't attack them because they were in civilian areas? Or were they hoping that Israel would kill innocent civilians so they can use it for propaganda?

claudette

(4,495 posts)
5. Dear
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 09:53 AM
Dec 2023

Lord. If I hear that excuse one more time…….. 🙄

The innocents in those buildings did NOT attack Israel. They don’t deserve to die. I’m sure the IDF is smart enough to figure out how to wage a war without making the homes of innocent people the targets. At least I thought they were

Oopsie Daisy

(4,502 posts)
6. Nobody has said they deserve to die. I'm letting you know why they are dying.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 10:01 AM
Dec 2023
> At least I thought they were
You thought wrong.

Why not complain and express confusion and regret that Hamas isn't "smart enough" to figure out how to not make the homes of innocent people the targets? Did Hamas did it on purpose just for the talking points and propaganda value?

claudette

(4,495 posts)
7. Why not
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 10:06 AM
Dec 2023

refrain from telling me what to complain about. The bombs used to kill innocents is my main complaint and will always be. I don’t have to preface my posts with a “Hamas is horrible” every time. That’s a given. I can complain about the deliberate deaths of over 14,000 innocents without supporting Hamas

Oopsie Daisy

(4,502 posts)
8. Nobody is telling you what to complain about.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 10:12 AM
Dec 2023

It's one thing to complain, but quite another thing to blame. It's usually best to place the blame on the doorstep where it belongs. For example the phrase "the deliberate deaths" is charged, one-sided, and does little to convince anyone of one's evenhanded impartial approach. Perhaps the preface is needed.

claudette

(4,495 posts)
9. It was obvious
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 10:28 AM
Dec 2023

to me that you said “why not complain” etc. you have your opinion about the death of innocents. I have mine.

Edit. I will add that Israel KNOWS there are innocents being bombed but they do it anyway. THAT in the real world is “deliberate.”

Oopsie Daisy

(4,502 posts)
10. Hamas knows that civilians would be killed. That's deliberate.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 10:38 AM
Dec 2023
>>I will add that Israel KNOWS there are innocents being bombed but they do it anyway. THAT in the real world is “deliberate.”
No, it's not "deliberate" it's (sadly) unavoidable due to the nature of war and collateral damage. The civilians themselves are not the intended target. The decision on where to bivouac and build tunnels has always belonged to Hamas. They knew what they were doing. They calculated wrong. Blame Hamas. They deserve only blame, not excuses or free passes.

claudette

(4,495 posts)
11. And on and
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 10:46 AM
Dec 2023

on with the same refrain deflecting blame. Hamas is not dropping the bombs. It’s useless to continue. Bye

Oopsie Daisy

(4,502 posts)
12. They are the target, hiding among civilians. Their cowardly choice. Blame them.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 10:50 AM
Dec 2023
>> Hamas is not dropping the bombs.
Correct. They are the target, hiding among civilians. Their cowardly choice. Blame them. Their actions have consequences. These are the consequences.

Oopsie Daisy

(4,502 posts)
14. Oh, hello again! Actually, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 11:19 AM
Dec 2023

I am, however, aware that others might read this exchange.

IronLionZion

(46,978 posts)
2. Ceasefire didn't last very long
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 07:33 AM
Dec 2023

Gaza is badly destroyed. It's quite a challenge to evacuate to these safe zones.

Igel

(36,087 posts)
15. I was in Los Angeles in '94.
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 04:01 PM
Dec 2023

Northridge quake.

When I could finally get through to my parents on the East Coast, they were both convinced Los Angeles was severely damaged. They saw pictures of collapsed overpasses, many, many buildings that were collapsed. It was all devastation.

They asked how campus weathered the earthquake--surely many buildings are rubble. Kinsey Hall, I said, had a crack in the wall--but it was unreinforced clay hollow bricks. And some plaster fell in some places in Bunche. Otherwise, no biggie. And as for the rest of the devastation, if they looked closely they'd notice that the many, many collapsed overpasses was one from many angles, and the miles of rubble turned out to be mostly one one or two blocks.

Cameras mislead. Even drone footage can mislead. Even if it's 100% accurate, it plays off our assumptions. So one photo of a grieving mother whose son died in Afghanistan was heart-rending--a mother, head bowed, on a cold, rainy day, kneeling by her son's tombstone, wracked by grief. Photo got published all over the place. Until somebody published the full Getty photo, which showed the catering truck, the buffet table, the tv trucks and various cars on the road just to the left and right (but not in the shot), the dozen photographers and the half dozen videographers forming a half-circle around her, a half dozen boom mics inches above her head to record her sobs. Except that all the close ups carefully missed all that--so while the scene was completely real, it was also completely staged, planned, advertised ahead of time.

Since then, when I see a photograph showing something and I'm expected to generalize, I always wonder what we'd see if the photographer zoomed out a bit.

Think critically.

So I saw one bit of video showing that Gazan was a moonscape. It showed some buildings thoroughly trashed. But in the background were several streets in which the buildings weren't even covered in dust. Gaza is moonscaped in places, not much trashed in others. Some is due to where Hamas tunnels or men or suspected weapons were located, some is due to the error that all flesh is prone to; some of that error is mistargeted or errant Israeli munitions, some is due to errant or mistargeted Hamas/IJ/etc. weapons. (It's estimated that 12-20% of the missiles launched towards Israel land in Gaza--granted, some of the area is field, farmland, but when they're trying to target Israeli positions deep inside Gaza, even if they hit their target they're hitting Gaza, and if they miss their target it's just random Gazan deaths added to those killed by Israel Hamas.

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