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Jilly_in_VA

(10,890 posts)
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:46 PM Dec 2023

Robbed, Silenced, and Betrayed: Gaza Turns Away From Hamas

It is incredibly difficult for them to say so in public, but many Palestinians in Gaza are furious with Hamas, their de facto rulers who invited a brutal Israeli backlash by launching the Oct. 7 attacks.

The Daily Beast was told to stop reporting and forced to delete videos while working on this story, but we can report that residents of Gaza say they have been robbed, silenced, and betrayed by Hamas.

As lawlessness rises in the smoldering rubble of Gaza, one resident said Hamas operatives stole valuables from her and other women.

A 45-year-old female refugee told The Daily Beast that Hamas agents were instructing women to remove their gold jewelry and cellphones before reaching an Israeli checkpoint on Salah al-Din—the main road through the center of Gaza—warning that these items might be confiscated or cause problems during inspection.

“I don’t know if it was naive of us, but we complied and handed over our mobiles. I even removed my ring, like other women with their jewelry,” she said. “We easily passed through the checkpoint and continued walking north. Despite feeling exhausted, we realized we had been deceived into surrendering our belongings.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robbed-silenced-and-betrayed-why-gazans-turned-away-from-hamas?ref=home

I don't think this is by any means just one group of women...

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Robbed, Silenced, and Betrayed: Gaza Turns Away From Hamas (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Dec 2023 OP
Gazan opposition to hamas is nothing new... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #1
The argument that the entire population of Gaza can be held responsible for Hamas's actions Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #2
Well said... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #3
This has always been the case, more so in Israel than the US Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #5
to be honest... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #6
I may have missed those, but in the context of the war, Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #7
Inevitable is an odd word... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #8
It comes down to the principle of proportionality. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #9
um, yea. Think. Again. Dec 2023 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #4
I hope LeftInTX Dec 2023 #11

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
1. Gazan opposition to hamas is nothing new...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:53 PM
Dec 2023

This survey was done just before Oct. 6...

From foreignaffairs.com:

"The argument that the entire population of Gaza can be held responsible for Hamas’s actions is quickly discredited when one looks at the facts. Arab Barometer, a research network where we serve as co-principal investigators, conducted a survey in Gaza and the West Bank days before the Israel-Hamas war broke out. The findings, published here for the first time, reveal that rather than supporting Hamas, the vast majority of Gazans have been frustrated with the armed group’s ineffective governance as they endure extreme economic hardship. Most Gazans do not align themselves with Hamas’s ideology, either. Unlike Hamas, whose goal is to destroy the Israeli state, the majority of survey respondents favored a two-state solution with an independent Palestine and Israel existing side by side.

(Full article: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas )

Beastly Boy

(11,147 posts)
2. The argument that the entire population of Gaza can be held responsible for Hamas's actions
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:11 PM
Dec 2023

is quickly discredited by the meager numbers of the people making this argument.

The issue is how few Gazans can freely express their opposition to Hamas without fear of reprisals, and how little attention the media plays to the few courageous people who do.

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
3. Well said...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:47 PM
Dec 2023

...it's good to see that people are becoming more concerned for the fate of the innocent, non-hamas, Palestinian civilians of Gaza.

Beastly Boy

(11,147 posts)
5. This has always been the case, more so in Israel than the US
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:26 PM
Dec 2023

It's just that we, as consumers of popular media, rarely hear about this in any sufficiently nuanced detail.

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
6. to be honest...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:37 PM
Dec 2023

...I have read many posts here on DU that seem to treat the lives of Palestinian civilians in Gaza as acceptable casualties.

Beastly Boy

(11,147 posts)
7. I may have missed those, but in the context of the war,
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:19 PM
Dec 2023

I did see people referring to the death of innocent civilians in Gaza as inevitable casualties, citing other wars as precedents.

Beastly Boy

(11,147 posts)
9. It comes down to the principle of proportionality.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:54 PM
Dec 2023

What price are you willing to pay to prevent deaths in combat?

Since I don't know the circumstances that went into assessing proportionality, I can't bring myself to make a judgement one way or another.

Response to Beastly Boy (Reply #2)

LeftInTX

(30,001 posts)
11. I hope
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:16 AM
Dec 2023

I don't see that Israel tried to find allies in Gaza before they invaded. (Maybe they did covertly, but I don't see the evidence)
This should have been a long term strategy before the war.

I agree with Lloyd Austin's assessment. Too many have died, lost homes, been displayed to trust the Israelis. They need to build relationships, but so far I don't see that happening.

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