Sound Evidence for Explosions....

[wildbilln864]

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[William Seger]

1. LOL, and Chandler continues to DISPROVE controlled demolition...

... but somehow doesn't realize it. Unfortunately for him, there are plenty of videos on YouTube of what REAL controlled demolitions sound like, his imagination notwithstanding.

[Ace Acme]

3. Right, and everybody knows you can't kill somebody with a baseball bat.

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REAL executions are done by lethal injection or electrocution.

[William Seger]

5. PWI?

(Posting While Intoxicated?)

Beats me what your point was supposed to be (or was this another case where you didn't really have one?), but here is what REAL controlled demolitions sound like, even from a distance comparable to the WTC7 videos or greater:

NONE of the WTC7 videos have any sound remotely resembling the distinctive crack of high explosives. We need a theory that explains that fact. NIST has one; Chandler does not.

[Ace Acme]

6. Right, and you can't kill somebody in a corn field with a baseball bat

... because there's not enough electrical power to run the electric chair.

And if you rented big generators somebody would talk, and there would be a paper trail.

[William Seger]

7. Ah, so we shouldn't expect to hear magical silent explosives, huh? (n/t)

[Ace Acme]

8. I'm not aware that anyone is asserting anything magical--except you.

Witnesses have said they heard explosions associated with the demise of WTC7.

There are as many ways to bring down a building as there are to commit murder. You're playing dumb, and so is NIST.

[William Seger]

9. Name one that wouldn't be heard on the available videos

... and also explains the "sudden onset."

> Witnesses have said they heard explosions associated with the demise of WTC7.

If WTC7 had been bought down by explosives, not only would it have broken windows for blocks around shown and unmistakeable readings in seismographs, it would have easily been heard in New Jersey, not just by a few people near the building. You are the one playing dumb.

[Ace Acme]

10. You'd better produce some audio of the invisible collapse of 47 concrete floors.

No audio, no collapse, right?

Or do you employ differing standards so the lack of audio applies only to explosions?

I think we've already been over the thesis by which the walls of the hollow columns were heated with incendiaries and then explosive charges planted inside the columns would bulge out, but not breach, the column walls--resulting in buckling and column failure with little noise escaping.

But no explosives are needed at all. Thermite charges could rather easily cut the girder seats, which are only an inch or so thick. And they wouldn't make much noise doing it.

[William Seger]

11. You can't have it both ways with that, either

You cite sources near the building that say they heard "explosions." That would be the sound of the interior collapsing. In the videos, you can hear the rumbling of the collapse -- faint because all of the cameras were relatively far away -- but that's not what high-explosives sound like.

> I think we've already been over the thesis by which the wallas of the hollow columns were heated with incendiaries and then explosive charges planted inside the columns would bulge out, but not breach, the column walls--resulting in buckling and column failure with little noise escaping.

Yes, how could I forget your most absurd "just so" story. What a remarkable feat of engineering, but tell me: how did they suppress the seismic shock waves?

[Ace Acme]

12. How do you know what the witnesses heard? Maybe your crystal ball needs cleaning.

Relatively small charges could be used to bulge the column walls out.

If they were shaped charges they would push laterally.

[William Seger]

13. Maybe you should watch the OP video (n/t)

[Ace Acme]

14. Watched it years ago. Does it explain how you know what the witnesses heard? nt

[William Seger]

15. Make up your mind

Did people near the building hear "explosive" sounds or did they not?

[Ace Acme]

16. Why should I? How can I? How can I know?

I'm not going to pretend I know things I can't possibly know, like some people around here do.

[OnTheOtherHand]

2. within the first 25 seconds, Chandler is making shit up

Their sole rationale for not investigating explosive use was the supposed lack of sufficiently loud sounds.

Actually, the report explains: "Six combinations of explosive location and column/truss sections and two implementation scenarios were considered." It argues that preparations for any of these scenarios "would have been almost impossible to carry out on any floor in the building without detection," and explains why. It describes simulations of window breakage patterns, and notes that no such patterns were observed. It then describes its simulations of how the sound would propagate after the windows broke.

In addition, as NIST notes in Chapter 4, it "found no evidence whose explanation required invocation of a blast event." Fair-minded people might regard that as a pretty fair rationale for not investigating it. Nevertheless, NIST did investigate it.

Later, Chandler says, "NIST was lying about no testimony of explosions." The word "testimony" doesn't even appear in NCSTAR 1A. Actually, as Chandler knows, what NIST says -- and discusses further in NCSTAR 1-9 -- is that soundtracks recorded at the time don't contain any sounds as intense as would accompany a blast.

I suppose Chandler honestly believes that he has marshaled evidence that points to a blast event. If any thousand observers, selected at random, listened to the Ashleigh Banfield clip, I wonder how many would conclude that they had heard evidence of blasts?

[Ace Acme]

4. NIST claims execution was impossible on the basis of the alleged difficulty of bringing 100 pounds

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of thermite in.

They also ignore the fact that while they claim the collapse began when part of floor 13 fell down, floors 14, 15, 16, and 17 were vacant.

Speaking of soundtracks, how come we don't have any soundtracks reflecting the noise of 47 concrete floors clapping? Would you argue that since there is no sound of the invisible interior collapse, therefore there was no invisible interior collapse?