WTC 7 - HUGE DEEP EXPLOSION

[wildbilln864]

[zappaman]

1. That's what she said...

[Jeffersons Ghost]

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[Jeffersons Ghost]

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[cantbeserious]

2. Yes - The Cover-Up Continues

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[William Seger]

3. LOL, so the reason you can hardly hear it is because it's "deep"?

The YouTube poster suggests, "You may need earbuds to hear this if you have a laptop."

Funny, you don't need earbuds to hear what a series of cutter charges sound like in virtually every demolition video on YouTube. If this was a controlled demolition it would have been many times larger than any of those, but you're saying we need enhanced audio to hear it, and in only one of the available videos? Seriously?

Wildbill, if you can't explain why the collapse of WTC7 doesn't sound anything like a controlled demolition, then this video is really further evidence that it was not a controlled demolition.

[wildbilln864]

4. I'd say....

nearly every video on youtube that you mention probably the camera man knew in advance there would be those noises and didn't have to contend with the excessive noises, sirens from emergency vehicles, crowds screaming & yelling, emergency personnel, etc, drowning out the not so audible thermite/thermate reactions produced by the emergency situation at the WTCs. That may be why you'd need to tune in more acutely William. The scene wasn't very quiet in anticipation of a known demolition. Instead very loud chaos.

[William Seger]

5. Uh huh

Gage claims the only possible explanation for the suddenness of the WTC7 collapse is simultaneous explosive demolition of 8 floors. When asked why nobody heard or recorded a demolition job like that, which should have easily been heard and recorded in New Jersey, he claims that, ah ha, they must have used thermite to somehow melt the steel on 8 floors with the same kind of timing precision. When asked to explain why neither theory makes any sense, then, he claims that's why we need a new investigation.

This is why the "truth movement" died, wildbill.

[wildbilln864]

6. It definitely hasn't died William...

else you'd have no reason to be posting here. Gage doesn't have all the answers. No one does. That's why an investigation is needed.
Thermite is relatively quiet as you know. And there is evidence of loud explosions witnessed by many people on the scene. But the anti-truth brigade chooses to deny it's existence.

[nationalize the fed]

8. +1

He says it died but more people than ever question the official Bush/Cheney lies.

He says it died but provides no evidence, which is funny for someone that claims to be so proud of evidence.

He says it died but it will never die until the whole truth comes out.

He says it died but what's in the 28 pages that Obama once promised to release?

The anti-truthers (Falsers) are anti- truth.

[William Seger]

10. Would you rather call it undead? OK

... but it seems you're not accounting for attrition: More people than ever have discovered that the "truth movement" is peddling bullshit.

[OBenario]

20. "The truther movment died".

You must be the greatest of mourners, since you're devoted to the subject every day.

[wildbilln864]

21. and for at least a decade too! n/t

[OBenario]

22. Exactly lol.

That guy's so funny

[William Seger]

9. You've got the shoe on the wrong foot

If the "truth movement" hadn't become hopelessly mired down in controlled demolition bullshit, you and nat wouldn't be a couple of the last diehard "truthers" on the still-outcast Creative Speculation board.

[wildbilln864]

11. you sound like it's the only board around....

it's not. Maybe you spend too much time monitoring this one so you think nothing is going on elsewhere?

[William Seger]

12. Actually, I've been watching those die off, too

... and watched the few that are left become parodies of themselves. Sure, there will probably always be some people manning the bulwarks of that delusional tree-fort, but the "truth movement" isn't only merely dead, it's really most sincerely dead.

[wildbilln864]

13. wow you man this place 24/7 huh!?

1 am, 2 pm, 1 am again and now 2 pm again. Busy, busy, busy! Things that make you go "hmmm".

[snooper2]

24. only reason anybody would be replying to these idiotic "theories" is on of three things

A- Banal Entertainment
B- To Mock You
C- Both of the above


LOL

[whitefordmd]

25. If we are voting, I'm going with A. eom

[Ghost in the Machine]

16. As one of your own postulated for so long it wasn't funny, that *paraphrasing* 'all it took for

WTC 7 to come down was the failure of one key truss' {emphasis mine}

**IF** that's all it took, it wouldn't need to be a very loud explosion at all, and could have easily been done with a small amount of C4 to accomplish.

There were posts here several years ago about some guy who has done more controlled demolitions than anyone else.. or something like that... and people on the non-controlled demolition kept pointing to his expertise (confirmation bias by an "authority figure"} as proof that there was no CD.

He cited the tons of explosives, miles of wire, etc., that it would have taken, and used the fact that none of the seismological equipment in the area picked up any unusual patterns that day.

I posted a rebuttal that debunked him ( I will look for it later ) showing how the equipment wouldn't even had picked up a blip from a single charge going off floor to floor because it would be equivalent to a grenade going off... which was less vibration than trains, subways and heavy equipment being used. NO ONE would have looked at it twice.

I won't spend much time on this, as I have moved on some and have bigger things going on in real life. I just wanted to point this out to you, Mr. Seger, because even though we have differences of opinions, and have gone around tooth and nail before we understood where each other was coming from and developed what, I think, was a mutual respect for each other, we have had nothing but civil conversations ever since.

I am about 35% deaf, but a few seconds into the video, you can clearly hear an explosion just seconds before the Penthouse collapses. Please watch and listen again?

I hope all is well with you and yours, and Peace to you and yours...

Ghost

[William Seger]

17. NIST looked at what would be required to take out just column 79

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.cfm

According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.

But I'll help you out here: I think the only CD theory for WTC 7 that isn't immediately dismissed (due to a lack of evidence that really ought to be there) is that thermite was used to take out column 79, and the perps somehow knew that would bring the whole building down. Of course, as soon as you admit that losing column 79 could trigger a total progressive collapse, then there isn't any need for a thermite theory; the NIST theory of thermal expansion and girder push-off satisfies Occam's Razor.

[Ghost in the Machine]

18. NIST *NEVER EXAMINED* metal from building 7, as it had no way to tell what metal came from

whyere, except for WTC 1 & 2, because they were stamped.

Of course, as soon as you admit that losing column 79 could trigger a total progressive collapse, then there isn't any need for a thermite theory; the NIST theory of thermal expansion and girder push-off satisfies Occam's Razor.

{emphasis mine}

Yes, it's just a "theory", from what I understand they had this "theory" and built a computer simulation to prove it. I could be wrong on that, it may have been one of the other buildings.

As for your excerpt, it would have taken a minimal amount of C-4, or even a grenade, to blow the column, and it would not have registered a blip on the seismic radar. It would be less vibration than a subway train, a passenger train, or a a 110 ton crane moving through the city.

Thanks again for your civility in our discussions. To me, it proves you are a man of integrity and decency, which I admire in a person. I guess I am labeled a "truther" because I do not believe the whole Government narrative of events, but so be it. I like to look at things from BOTH sides, and there have been several times that YOU have posted things that made me stop and think, and even change my views a little.

I'm not a "No Planer" and not "Hologram Theorist", I just don't think we've been told the WHOLE truth.

May Peace & Happiness be a constant companion to you and yours,

Ghost

[William Seger]

19. Yes, it's a theory

> Yes, it's just a "theory", from what I understand they had this "theory" and built a computer simulation to prove it. I could be wrong on that, it may have been one of the other buildings.

For WTC 7, one of the first theories was that structural damage from falling debris weakened the building. Another theory was that diesel fuel feeding the fires was a contributor to the collapse, but the NIST simulations did not support either of those theories. If they wanted to fake the simulations to prove a foregone conclusion, I think they passed up two good candidates.

> As for your excerpt, it would have taken a minimal amount of C-4, or even a grenade, to blow the column, and it would not have registered a blip on the seismic radar. It would be less vibration than a subway train, a passenger train, or a a 110 ton crane moving through the city.

NIST based their calculation on the size of the column. At the level of collapse initiation, column 79 was made from a W14x730 wide flange beam with added side plates. A W14x730 is about 22.42" x 17.89" with a 3-inch-thick web and 5-inch-thick flanges for a total of 215 square inches of cross-sectional area. The side plates were 2" thick and 26" wide for an additional 104 square inches cross-section. Neither a "minimal amount of C-4, or even a grenade" would put a dent in a column that size.

[wildbilln864]

7. 9/11 BOMBS in Tower Core When 1st Plane Hit

[wildbilln864]

23. and a kick! n/t

[Logical]

15. Your posts are always entertaining. Like a parody. Nt

[Jesus Malverde]

26. What is interesting in the video...

The windows blow out on multiple floors on both the right and left side.

At 20 seconds you can see 4 in series about 10 stories down on the left side, clearly visible at :25 seconds.

At about :26 seconds the windows blow out in a neat row on the right side across multiple floors. Then it goes freefall.

Thanks.

[wildbilln864]

27. very welcome! n/t

[Logical]

28. Cool story bro. nt

[wildbilln864]

29. and a kick! n/t