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Fri Feb 19, 2016, 02:33 AM Feb 2016

Eyewitness Comes Forward, “Sirhan Sirhan Did Not Assassinate RFK”

The FreeThoughtProject.com | Andrew Emett on February 13, 2016



Despite the fact that Sirhan Sirhan shot him in the head nearly 50 years ago, Paul Schrade attended the convicted assassin’s parole hearing this week to both forgive Sirhan and defend the shooter’s innocence in the assassination of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy. After decades of research into the assassination and witnessing the event first-hand, Schrade continues to assert that Sirhan physically could not have fired the fatal bullet that killed Kennedy.

Shortly after midnight on June 5, 1968, two months after the assassination of MLK, Kennedy entered the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles when Sirhan stepped towards him and opened fire. While Kennedy shook hands with the hotel kitchen staff, Schrade stood six to eight feet behind him. As the labor chairman of Kennedy’s presidential campaign, Schrade followed the senator through the kitchen until Sirhan emerged in front of Kennedy and shot Schrade about an inch below his hairline in the center of his forehead. The bullet struck Schrade’s skull but didn’t enter his brain.

Standing three feet in front of Kennedy, Sirhan fired a second bullet that missed completely. Hotel maîtres d’ Karl Uecker and Edward Minasian grabbed for Sirhan’s gun and began choking him, but not before he could fire the remaining six bullets from his .22-caliber revolver, wounding four more people.

Although Sirhan’s pistol only held eight bullets, four shots struck Kennedy while another five bullets wounded others. Hours after the shooting, FBI Agent William Bailey found two more bullets in the center divider of the pantry door frame. After analyzing an audio recording of the assassination, audio expert Phil Van Praag determined that 13 shots had been fired, indicating a second gunman...snip

...Less than three months after the assassination, the LAPD incinerated thousands of documents and pieces of evidence related to Kennedy’s death. Besides destroying physical evidence, including door jambs and ceiling tiles taken from the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel, the LAPD also burned 2,140 police photographs...snip

Full Article: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/witness-asserts-sirhan-assassinate-rfk/



Robert Kennedy Assassination Photos Burned

New York Times April 21, 1988

SACRAMENTO, Calif., April 20— California has released voluminous files on the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, including a document showing that 2,410 photographs that were evidence in the case were destroyed that year. A scholar who pushed for release of the files says the destruction is ''deeply suspicious'' and should be investigated.

''Far and away, the blinding central fact in this event is the unbelievable destruction of these photographs,'' said Greg Stone, a University of Wisconsin political scientist who has devoted years to studying the assassination. ''This performance would be a disgrace in a routine auto accident,'' he said of the Los Angeles police, Mr. Stone's comments came after the California Secretary of State, March Fong Eu, opened the long-secret files to the public Tuesday and displayed significant items of evidence for reporters. She held aloft a boxed .22-caliber gun used by Sirhan Sirhan, who was convicted of assassinating Senator Kennedy on June 5, 1968, after Mr. Kennedy's victory in the state's Democratic Presidential primary.

Among the documents displayed was a certificate showing that 2,410 police photographs in the assassination case were burned on Aug. 21, 1968. The state's chief archivist, John Burns, who catalogued the file for release, speculated that the destroyed photos could have been duplicates but said the files had no such statement. Investigation Is Urged...snip more: http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/21/us/robert-kennedy-assassination-photos-burned.html




The Strange Case of Sirhan Sirhan
James Corbett • 03/03/2012
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-220-the-strange-case-of-sirhan-sirhan/
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Eyewitness Comes Forward, “Sirhan Sirhan Did Not Assassinate RFK” (Original Post) nationalize the fed Feb 2016 OP
Schrade was hit in the forehead with Sirhan's first shot William Seger Feb 2016 #1
Hello, Mr. Seger. Yes, the ONLY article I have found says that Shrade was walking behind RFK, and Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #2
I wondered when this would show up here. frogmarch Mar 2016 #3
Annnnnnnd............ another one with nothing of substance to add to the post! Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #4
But...but... frogmarch Mar 2016 #5

William Seger

(11,040 posts)
1. Schrade was hit in the forehead with Sirhan's first shot
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

He immediately passed out and was not an "eyewitness" to anything that happened after that. He believes there was a second shooter based on the same information and reasoning used by other conspiracy theorists, not based on being an "eyewitness."

Why this deception, nat? Can you explain to me why conspiracy theorists are so lacking in intellectual integrity?

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
2. Hello, Mr. Seger. Yes, the ONLY article I have found says that Shrade was walking behind RFK, and
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 01:53 AM
Mar 2016

was hit by the first bullet, then he fell to the floor and blacked out. It doesn't say that he blacked out "immediately", nor does it say how long he was blacked out for. That still doesn't explain this:



Fired From Only An Inch Away
Four shots were fired at Kennedy from behind, and to his right, with the fatal bullet fired from only an inch away.

Eyewitnesses placed the barrel of Sirhan’s gun two to five feet in front of Kennedy, to his left.


Hotel maître d’ Karl Uecker, who was leading Kennedy through the pantry while holding his right arm, insisted he grabbed Sirhan after two shots — and diverted his gun hand away from the senator. Sirhan, his gun hand pinned to a steam table, nonetheless continued to fire wildly. But Uecker insisted that Sirhan could not have fired the four shots that hit Kennedy.

Uecker’s colleague Eddie Minasian confirmed Uecker grabbed Sirhan after the second shot and saw Paul Schrade fall before the senator, suggesting Schrade was actually hit with the first shot.

“It wasn’t that gun”
Frank Burns, an attorney who was standing beside him in the pantry, also had a clear view of Sirhan, and told Dan Rather: ‘It wasn’t that gun.


or this:

LAPD criminalist Dewayne Wolfer’s solution was to claim Sirhan’s second bullet “passed through the right shoulder pad of Kennedy’s suit coat…and traveled upward [at an 80-degree angle] striking victim Schrade in the center of his forehead.”

As Schrade later told author Dan Moldea, the only way a bullet could do this would be “if I was nine feet tall or had my head on Kennedy’s shoulder.”
As Wolfer had already accounted for all eight bullets in Sirhan’s gun, this meant a ninth shot was fired, and two more bullets were found in the center divider of the pantry door frame by FBI agent William Bailey within hours of the shooting.

http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/02/09/rfk-friend-to-raise-doubts-about-sirhan-guilt-at-parole-hearing/

{same link to 1st excerpt}


You, yourself, admitted that Shrade was hit by the first shot. What are your thoughts on this, please?

I hope all is well with you and yours..

Thanks in advance, and Peace!

Ghost



frogmarch

(12,226 posts)
3. I wondered when this would show up here.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:51 AM
Mar 2016

I heard it about a week ago from a CTist – oops, I mean, Truth Seekist – friend of mine, who had previously explained to me that the Earth doesn’t rotate on its axis but is stationary, the moon landings were a hoax, shape-shifting ETs are living among us, and Katie Perry is possibly really JonBenet Ramsey...among other things including chemtrails!!! and that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA Manchurian-Candidate-type assassin.

Yoiks!

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
4. Annnnnnnd............ another one with nothing of substance to add to the post!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:35 AM
Mar 2016

Maybe YOU would like to take a shot at post #2??

frogmarch

(12,226 posts)
5. But...but...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:48 AM
Mar 2016

I thought this was the Nothing of Substance forum. Sorry for the intrusion.

I'll re-read the post in case I missed something of substance the first time. I'll report back if I did.

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