Why hasn't the Odessa/Midlands shooter's identity been released?

[struggle4progress]

Could the real shooter have been a rightwing operative acting on instructions from higher up?

Has the real shooter been allowed to escape?

Did the police kill an innocent bystander as part of a larger cover-up?

"Just shut up and trust us!" is the best fuel for paranoid conspiracy theories!

[Crafty Girl]

1. I don't think there is a CT here

Since Columbine there has been an effort to withhold the fame that so many of these sickos seem to want. The effort should be on remembering the victims, not their killers.

[FarPoint]

3. Dayton....

Released the identity of the shooter within 16 hrs... shooting was at 1 am...media had name by 3 PM

[struggle4progress]

6. There has been an effort to encourage the press not to give the shooter too much notoriety

That's a sensible PoV

But it's not the same as officials withholding the name of someone shot by the police

[Crafty Girl]

2. More on my above reply

https://www.dontnamethem.org/

Why Not?

• Some suspects are motivated by a desire for fame, notoriety, and/or recognition.

• When the media focuses on the attacker, they provide this fame, notoriety and recognition.

• This focus allows the attacker to accomplish one of their goals, and validates their life and actions.

• Media coverage can create a contagion effect producing more shootings.

• Some shootings/attacks may be prevented by removing one of the incentives.

• We encourage the media and others not to name the suspects or focus on their lives.

• The shooters/attackers should be as unrecognized in their deaths as they were in their lives.

• Media coverage should focus on the victims and the heroes

[struggle4progress]

8. These have been real issues ever since someone burned the Ephesian Temple of Artemis

in 356BC, with the hope of being remembered forever because of that deed

But there are multiple other public-good considerations here

[bronxiteforever]

4. If he had priors cases were those handled correctly? Abbott was Attorney General.

Did Abbott’s office handle the case, would the Governor try to hide that fact?

There are accountability questions relating to the criminal justice system such as, did anyone warn police about the shooter prior to the incident?

Was the shooter a prior police informant? Was he prematurely let out on parole/probation? Were there deals given to him that should be subject to public scrutiny.
Did a judge make a horrible decision on a prior case? Texas elects Judges and voters would have a right to know this.
https://www.tpr.org/post/why-do-we-elect-judges-texas

All these questions can be answered with a simple disclosure.

[struggle4progress]

7. These are good questions

[yellerpup]

5. He wants to be notorious.

I think it's time for these white nationalist factions to claim their heroes. Let his brothers make his name notorious and out themselves in the process.

[kimbutgar]

9. I've been wondering the same thing

I bet he is a big cult 45 MF45 supporter. If he was a minority the name and picture would have have already been released. Even the Daily Guardian which gets news first is mum on the shooters identity. Kind of suspicious.

[struggle4progress]

10. "Did the shooter work for the Russians? Or did he work for the White House?"

[42bambi]

11. There may be an ongoing investigation. More to learn. nt

[Ptah]

12. Odessa Shooting Suspect named

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/seth-ator/

Seth Ator has been identified as the accused gunman who was shot and killed by police after a rampage in Odessa and Midland, Texas, according to the Associated Press. Police said the shooter was taken down by officers at the Cinergy movie complex in Odessa. The incident began around 3:15 p.m. local time on Saturday, August 31, as an attempted traffic stop along Interstate 20.

[struggle4progress]

13. ...

[Ptah]

14. What, you have given up on your wild, ignorant, baseless fiction?

[struggle4progress]

15. A few facts here and there can have that effect

[Ptah]

17. What facts led to this speculation?

"Did the shooter work for the Russians? Or did he work for the White House?"

Has the real shooter been allowed to escape?

Did the police kill an innocent bystander as part of a larger cover-up?

[struggle4progress]

18. What would explain a police refusal to tell you who they'd shot?

"We shot a suspect but we won't tell you who it was"

I suggest people cultivate a healthy paranoia

If we're really OK with "We shot a suspect but we won't tell you who it was" then someday soon we'll hear "We imprisoned 70 threats to public safety but we won't tell you who they are"

[Ptah]

19. You couldn't wait 24 hours?

[struggle4progress]

20. How long should we wait when officials float trial balloons about never releasing the name?

I may not care too much about his name

But I do care if I'm told I might never be able to learn it

[Ptah]

21. Ha said he was not going to name the suspect, that the suspect's name would be released later.

[struggle4progress]

22. It wasn't clear to me, but the discussion is moot now

[Ptah]

23. Until the next time you get paranoid.

[struggle4progress]

24. I will strongly encourage everyone to cultivate a healthy paranoia

by which I mean --- a paranoia that you can turn on and off as needed

Do you know of any people who might deliberately endanger others for political gain? If so, you might want to cultivate an on-demand ability to think in a paranoid manner

Jimmy Al-Daoud’s death
BY CHRIS MILLS RODRIGO - 08/08/19 09:48 AM EDT
September 1, 2019

Jimmy Al-Daoud’s body arrived from Iraq yesterday in a casket, sent back to Michigan so he can be buried next to his mother. Born in a refugee camp in Greece in 1978, Al-Daoud’s family was granted refugee status in the United States in 1979. They traveled from Greece to Detroit when he was less than a year old. Al-Daoud, who suffered from bipolar schizophrenia and diabetes, was deported to Iraq in July 2019. He died a few months later on the streets of Baghdad, at age 41, when he couldn’t find medication ...

[jberryhill]

25. Long enough for them to run down possible associates and accomplices

Have you ever noticed how things like this are handled in countries like France or the UK? ZERO public information, but police raids at all sorts of locations.

[Gumboot]

16. Notoriety is not much use...

... when you're dead.

'Dead' is considerably worse than a lifetime of solitary confinement in Supermax.

[Farmer-Rick]

26. He has been identified and shoot dead.

Authorities identified the shooter as 36-year-old Seth Aaron Ator from Lorena, Texas, who had been fired from his job the morning of the shooting spree. He was shot and killed by police outside a movie theater in Odessa.