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Related: About this forumWho believes that Bush stole 2000 election?
Huh... you freakin conspiracy theorist!!!
deadinsider
(201 posts)yet it seems to be a consensus that Bush 'stole' the 2000 election.
That was the point of my original email.
Yes, I am a 911 Truther. I really do like the criticim of that too. Some have actually made me adjust my views on it.
But how is 911 Truth, which has a ton of documentation (whether you agree or not) but the 2000 election has so little, and still us 'democrats' believe that latter; Bush Stole it, or at least 2004 (Ohio anyone?)!!!
Give me some feedback guys. I want to see the tap dancing to reconcile these 2 'conpiracy' viewpoints.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Really? Really Seth?
Google is your friend...
zappaman
(20,617 posts)But you knew that, didn't you?
Shagman
(135 posts)Tbere was no conspiracy. If you paid attention, it was remarkably sloppy. First the recounts, then the wrangling over absentee ballots, the bogus certifications, the venue shopping, the spin doctoring, and finally the rush to the Supreme Court. It had to get to the Supremes because that gave a guaranteed outcome and left no room for appeals.
And it all happened in plain sight. No conspiracy here. All perfectly legal, if you take the word of Jim Baker, a world-class fixer.
The real conspiracy is that, after the country saw some of the Byzantine procedures and venal partisanship in what should be our most trustworthy civil process, things have gotten worse instead of better. Our election results are no more reliable than in Romania.
Lysystrata
(10 posts)It seems to be the long term GOP plan; they do it every chance they get. They're doing it in Pennsylvania right now. Check the link below to see what I mean
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/bazelon-voter-id-law-in-pennsylvania-could-backfire-on-gop-1.3863388#
BobbyBoring
(1,965 posts)Rather award of the 2000 election to Bush and 9/11 are all interconnected. Under Al Gore, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.
zappaman
(20,617 posts)You don't know that.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Presidential elections
Palast's investigation into the Bush family fortunes for his column in The Observer led him to uncover a connection to a company called ChoicePoint. In an October 2008 interview Palast said that before the 2000 Election ChoicePoint "was purging the voter rolls of Florida under a contract with a lady named Katherine Harris, the Secretary of State. They won a contract, a bid contract with the state, with the highest bid."[9]
After subsequently noticing a large proportion of African-American voters were claiming their names had disappeared from voter rolls in Florida in the 2000 election, Palast launched a full-scale investigation into voter fraud, the results of which were broadcast in the UK by the BBC on their Newsnight[10] show prior to the 2004 Election. Palast claimed to have obtained computer discs from Katherine Harris' office, which contained caging lists of "voters matched by race and tagged as felons.[9]... "
In May 2007, Palast said he'd received 500 emails that former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove exchanged through an account supplied by the Republican National Committee. Palast says the emails show a plan to target likely Democratic voters with extra scrutiny over their home addresses, and he also believes Rove's plan was a factor in the firing of U.S. Attorneys.[13]...
More at the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palast
For many Democrats, what we saw during the days before the SCOTUS made its decision and in the years after that, including the indictments passed down, cemented opinions. Author Christopher Hitchens has discussed the three-hour documentary mentioned there, Orwell Rolls in his Grave, if you choose to watch it or another one focusing on Norm Chomsky's work, Manufacturing Consent, gives life to the idea that elections can be stolen.
Shagman
(135 posts)The information is there for people who care about such things. The politicians and the media have swept it under the rug. Both sides do it, so they have no motivation to repair the system or even to acknowledge that there's a problem.
These days you can't wake most people from their TV/sugar-induced comas long enough to explain the problem, much less get help fixing it.
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Video is 57 minutes long, so be advised.
More are on the side bar on the right of the youtube page for the video.
He's also been on Democracy Now about how what Rick Scott is doing to the 2008 vote in Florida is the same as Jeb Bush did in 2000.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)Which is a pretty detailed account of the 2000 election and its immediate aftermath.
While you're at it, I also strongly recommend his book about the OJ trial called 'The Run of His Life,' which is really an amazing read. You'll learn a whole lot of stuff you probably didn't know. Including that OJ was at best semi-literate, he hung almost exclusive with white people, and was quite friendly with the LAPD, who treated him with kid gloves when he was arrested for domestic abuse in the late 1980s. Plus there's Kardashians!
The recount book isn't quite as fun, but it's a great read too. Toobin argues that recount definitely should not have been stopped.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Seems as though lots of people want to have it both ways...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)have him do their bidding.
Lysystrata
(10 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Roverticus
(74 posts)Mahmoud 2009 ftw!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8098305.stm