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Who believes that Bush stole 2000 election? (Original Post) deadinsider May 2012 OP
Come on people, 911, JFK, all conspiracy here on DU... deadinsider May 2012 #1
The 2000 election has so little evidence of fraud? Merlot May 2012 #2
Apples and Oranges. zappaman May 2012 #3
You mean the 2000 overthrow Shagman May 2012 #4
Stealing elections Lysystrata Jul 2012 #16
The "theft" BobbyBoring May 2012 #5
"Under Al Gore, 9/11 wouldn't have happened." zappaman Jun 2012 #9
Here's a little fodder for you, if you're still interested: freshwest Jun 2012 #6
swept under the rug Shagman Jun 2012 #7
A little video to back you up. unapatriciated Jun 2012 #11
Thanks. And he was a regular on the west coast: freshwest Jun 2012 #12
SCOTUS CleanLucre Jun 2012 #8
I suggest you read Jeff Toobin's 'Too Close to Call' RZM Jun 2012 #10
George W. Bush: Village Idiot or Evil Genius? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #13
No, he was the village idiot surrounded by his dads smart and rich friends who knew they could stevenleser Jul 2012 #14
And that's pretty much exactly what you have in Romney. Lysystrata Jul 2012 #15
I thought the Supreme Court stole it. nt valerief Jul 2012 #17
This is what a stolen election looks like Roverticus Aug 2012 #18
 

deadinsider

(201 posts)
1. Come on people, 911, JFK, all conspiracy here on DU...
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:14 AM
May 2012

yet it seems to be a consensus that Bush 'stole' the 2000 election.

That was the point of my original email.

Yes, I am a 911 Truther. I really do like the criticim of that too. Some have actually made me adjust my views on it.

But how is 911 Truth, which has a ton of documentation (whether you agree or not) but the 2000 election has so little, and still us 'democrats' believe that latter; Bush Stole it, or at least 2004 (Ohio anyone?)!!!

Give me some feedback guys. I want to see the tap dancing to reconcile these 2 'conpiracy' viewpoints.

Shagman

(135 posts)
4. You mean the 2000 overthrow
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:50 PM
May 2012

Tbere was no conspiracy. If you paid attention, it was remarkably sloppy. First the recounts, then the wrangling over absentee ballots, the bogus certifications, the venue shopping, the spin doctoring, and finally the rush to the Supreme Court. It had to get to the Supremes because that gave a guaranteed outcome and left no room for appeals.

And it all happened in plain sight. No conspiracy here. All perfectly legal, if you take the word of Jim Baker, a world-class fixer.

The real conspiracy is that, after the country saw some of the Byzantine procedures and venal partisanship in what should be our most trustworthy civil process, things have gotten worse instead of better. Our election results are no more reliable than in Romania.

Lysystrata

(10 posts)
16. Stealing elections
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:54 AM
Jul 2012

It seems to be the long term GOP plan; they do it every chance they get. They're doing it in Pennsylvania right now. Check the link below to see what I mean

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/bazelon-voter-id-law-in-pennsylvania-could-backfire-on-gop-1.3863388#

BobbyBoring

(1,965 posts)
5. The "theft"
Sun May 20, 2012, 02:03 PM
May 2012

Rather award of the 2000 election to Bush and 9/11 are all interconnected. Under Al Gore, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. Here's a little fodder for you, if you're still interested:
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:48 AM
Jun 2012
From Wikipedia - Gregory Palast:

Presidential elections


Palast's investigation into the Bush family fortunes for his column in The Observer led him to uncover a connection to a company called ChoicePoint. In an October 2008 interview Palast said that before the 2000 Election ChoicePoint "was purging the voter rolls of Florida under a contract with a lady named Katherine Harris, the Secretary of State. They won a contract, a bid contract with the state, with the highest bid."[9]

After subsequently noticing a large proportion of African-American voters were claiming their names had disappeared from voter rolls in Florida in the 2000 election, Palast launched a full-scale investigation into voter fraud, the results of which were broadcast in the UK by the BBC on their Newsnight[10] show prior to the 2004 Election. Palast claimed to have obtained computer discs from Katherine Harris' office, which contained caging lists of "voters matched by race and tagged as felons.[9]... "

In May 2007, Palast said he'd received 500 emails that former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove exchanged through an account supplied by the Republican National Committee. Palast says the emails show a plan to target likely Democratic voters with extra scrutiny over their home addresses, and he also believes Rove's plan was a factor in the firing of U.S. Attorneys.[13]...

More at the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palast

For many Democrats, what we saw during the days before the SCOTUS made its decision and in the years after that, including the indictments passed down, cemented opinions. Author Christopher Hitchens has discussed the three-hour documentary mentioned there, Orwell Rolls in his Grave, if you choose to watch it or another one focusing on Norm Chomsky's work, Manufacturing Consent, gives life to the idea that elections can be stolen.


Shagman

(135 posts)
7. swept under the rug
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:10 AM
Jun 2012

The information is there for people who care about such things. The politicians and the media have swept it under the rug. Both sides do it, so they have no motivation to repair the system or even to acknowledge that there's a problem.

These days you can't wake most people from their TV/sugar-induced comas long enough to explain the problem, much less get help fixing it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
12. Thanks. And he was a regular on the west coast:
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:43 PM
Jun 2012


Video is 57 minutes long, so be advised.

More are on the side bar on the right of the youtube page for the video.


He's also been on Democracy Now about how what Rick Scott is doing to the 2008 vote in Florida is the same as Jeb Bush did in 2000.
 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
10. I suggest you read Jeff Toobin's 'Too Close to Call'
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:09 PM
Jun 2012

Which is a pretty detailed account of the 2000 election and its immediate aftermath.

While you're at it, I also strongly recommend his book about the OJ trial called 'The Run of His Life,' which is really an amazing read. You'll learn a whole lot of stuff you probably didn't know. Including that OJ was at best semi-literate, he hung almost exclusive with white people, and was quite friendly with the LAPD, who treated him with kid gloves when he was arrested for domestic abuse in the late 1980s. Plus there's Kardashians!

The recount book isn't quite as fun, but it's a great read too. Toobin argues that recount definitely should not have been stopped.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. No, he was the village idiot surrounded by his dads smart and rich friends who knew they could
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 07:30 PM
Jul 2012

have him do their bidding.

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