Creative Speculation
Related: About this forumExcellent film on crop circles
(ignore the goofy title)
They show evidence beyond any reasonable doubt that these are not man-made.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Then again, who am I to question "UFO TV"?
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Does the film actually show crop circles being made without human intervention?
William Seger
(11,047 posts)A private plane pilot didn't see a crop circle near Stonehenge at 5:30pm but then did see one on the return flight at 6:15pm. The video concludes that the circle must have appeared in broad daylight during that 45-minute window, without even mentioning the more plausible explanation: He didn't see it because he simply didn't notice it.
The video does show a crop circle appearing within seconds while balls of light fly around the area -- mentioning, but then completely ignoring that that video is an admitted hoax.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)zappaman
(20,617 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)The issue is not associated with a UFO from a distant planet. What we see here is organized crime syndicates somehow coordinating people to conduct illegal activity with no chance for them to obtain personal gain, as they work all night to facilitate a hoax. These crop circle makers do not get paid to perpetuate this hoax, which has enormous potential to cause owners of large, valuable farms in the United Kingdom to sell their land at fire-sale prices. For a change, let's discuss real issues; like money.
frogmarch
(12,226 posts)and it benefits landowners too. This article focuses on the circle-making team of John Lundberg, Rod Dickinson and Wil Russell.
http://www.circlemakers.org/sunday_telegraph.txt
snips:
America to do a series of projects for AMD, a multibillion-pound computer-chip
company. They created the eye logo for Big Brother, the "reality television"
programme; a car-shaped pattern for a Mitsubishi publicity campaign; logos for
the album covers of dance bands; advertisements for Orange, the mobile phone
company; and an image of Dawn French, Steve Coogan and David Jason for a digital
television company.
They have branched out from wheat fields and now also work on sand and grass.
They recently won a commission for Hello Kitty to produce the face of the
Japanese company's cartoon cat in a wheat field in Wiltshire, and are
considering a project in Costa Rica.
...
Landowners are benefiting too, receiving payments - from the companies or
circle-makers - for allowing their fields to be used for the work. The income
easily covers the damage to crops, leaving farmers with a profit.
frogmarch
(12,226 posts)A longtime friend of mine in England is a member of the crop circle artist group named Circlemakers. Marty comes to visit me here in the States every summer, which is always a lot of fun, even though we don't make any crop circles. My middle granddaughter was Marty's house guest in England a year ago and was thrilled when she was invited to help Marty's team design and make a crop circle.
Circlemakers:
http://www.circlemakers.org/perpetrators.html
Circlemakers timelapse crop circle:
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)that clip you show is clever disinfo, as are the circlemaker people.
please watch the film. thanks.
frogmarch
(12,226 posts)I now believe that my friend Marty and the other members of Circlemakers, as well as the members of all the other crop-circle-maker groups in UK and elsewhere in the world, are ETs.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I am having a hard time figuring out which proposition is more utterly stupid - (a) that extraterrestrials are traveling vast distances to muck about in the grass, or (b) that people who know about it are trying to cover it up.
William Seger
(11,047 posts)I translate it as: "Some humans are incredibly gullible."
Logical
(22,457 posts)SwissTony
(2,560 posts)Yeah, I can live with that.
Why don't they do something useful like show us a cure for cancer.
Although to be fair to the aliens, they have shown signs of improvement over time. Their first circles were just that - simple circles. Nothing elaborate. Then they started going for more complicated, but still simple, designs - adding a second circle with a straight line which would pass through the centres of the circles. And so it went on. And now look what we've got. Shows the value of experience, forethought and planning.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)zappaman
(20,617 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:22 PM - Edit history (1)
It's bullshit.
Now what?
Logical
(22,457 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)I haven't watched it but I will, when I'm in the right mood.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)k and r
Logical
(22,457 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)How are people able to conduct physically challenging, widespread, precise maneuvers - at night - in such a short period of time without being detected? Do farmers in England have dogs that actually bark?
Logical
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Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)The real question is how can these people be so precise in such a short period of time without using expensive LASER survey equipment, which is easily detectable. BTW, I recommended this OP; but I doubt a farmer in England would recommend the activity.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)historical CC which I didn't know about and the exploded and stretched nodes on the stems. Thanks for posting.
I believe the vast majority of the circles are a hoax and the rest could some how be natural anomaly. But one fact is that they have been seen and documented for century's. I forget who, but someone once said that if just ONE Crop circle or Alien sighting is prove to be true it will forever change the face of Mankind.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...sums up the usual response to the unexplainable phenomenon in our world.
"...usually the ridicule comes from fear rather than respect."
It's amazing how eagerly people display their complete devotion to the myths of modern society, proudly proclaiming their utter lack of imagination and vision.
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