Creative Speculation
Related: About this forumA close and detailed photo analysis deffinitively shows Oswald standing in Depository doorway
and NOT Billy Lovelady, say the members of the Oswald Innocence Comittee .
Which means Oswald could not have been at the same time shooting at the president from a sniper's lair on the 6th floor of the School Book Depository
We, the members of the Oswald Innocence Campaign, maintain that at the time of President Kennedy's assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald was standing in the doorway of the Texas School Book Depository, where he was photographed by James "Ike" Altgens, which is clearly evident upon close examination of the photograph. This discovery categorically exonerates Oswald from having shot the President. We call upon the media to renounce the official story that impugns him--including the "Magic Bullet" theory, which is a conspiratorial fabrication--and we demand that the American government cease obstructing justice by promoting a gross falsehood, based on lies, which has allowed the true killers to remain free, unindicted, and unpunished.
http://www.oswald-innocent.com/
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Oswald's whole outfit was very unusual, actually unique, and we can see it on Doorman: conspicuously. But before we proceed with that analysis, which will consist mostly of picture collages so that you can compare the evidence with your own eyes, please make note of two important points:
(1) Establishing that Lee Harvey Oswald was the Doorman in the Altgens photo, by itself, completely and thoroughly exonerates him. If he was standing in the doorway at the time of the shooting, he could not possibly have been at the same time up on the 6th floor firing at President Kennedy. This one determination is therefore enough, by itself, to settle the matter once and for all. No one can be in two places at the same time. And we shall provide ample proof that Oswald was in the doorway.
(2) This is a default situation. There are only two possibilities for Doorman's identity, even theoretically, and they are Lee Harvey Oswald and Billy Nolan Lovelady, who was another TSBD worker. Nobody is suggesting that it may have been a third person, perhaps an anonymous stranger who was walking by. All of the individuals standing on the steps were TSBD employees, and the only one who had the remotest resemblance to Oswald was Billy Lovelady.
And keep in mind that their similarities have been greatly exaggerated--they really didn't look that much alike. How could they when one weighed 175 pounds (Billy) and the other weighed no more than 135 (Lee), and he may have weighed less than that. We'll have more to say about that later.
Our approach is going to be to establish the likeness of Oswald and Doorman on the one hand, and the unlikeness (the stark dissimilarity) of Lovelady and Doorman on the other. Since there are only two candidates for Doorman, evidence that rules out Lovelady as Doorman automatically supports Oswald. So, Lee wins by default just by proving that Billy could not be Doorman.
Then, we lay out our catalog of Altgens anomalies--proof of alteration--which shows you exactly what they did and how they did it. Then, we provide resources for further reading about this and other areas of JFK assassination research.
http://www.oswald-innocent.com/overview.html
zappaman
(20,617 posts)And debunked long ago.
The Herald Tribune was not some supermarket tabloid, but rather a widely respected newspaper. Further, the "Oswald figure" had been noticed and investigated even before the article appeared, so the Commission devoted considerable attention to the claim. They quickly identified Billy Nolan Lovelady as the man in the doorway, and questioned several people about the whereabouts of themselves and Lovelady as the motorcade passed. William Shelley (6H328, CE 1381 pp. 84), Sarah Stanton (CE 1381 pp. 89), Wesley Frazier (2H233-4, 22H 647), Billy Lovelady (6H338-9, CE 1381 pp. 62), and Danny Arce (6H365, 367) all testified and/or signed an affidavit stating Lovelady was standing outside the Depository doors as the motorcade passed (1). Harold Norman (3H189) and James Jarman, Jr. (3H202) testified they saw Lovelady in the doorway minutes before the motorcade passed and they left to watch from the fifth floor of the Depository. Frazier (2H242), Arce (3H367), and Mrs. Donald Baker (7H515) all identified Lovelady as the "Oswald" look-alike in the photograph. Lovelady, of course, identified himself (6H339, Commission Document 457 pp. 2, 4-5). Frazier states that he does not see himself in the photo because he was farther back than Lovelady and thus in the black area of the photograph (2H242). The other people with whom Lovelady was standing, Shelley and Stanton, were also farther back than him and so are also not shown in the picture. This is why Lovelady appears to be standing alone.
On the basis of all this evidence, the Commission concluded that the man was Lovelady, not Oswald (WCR, pp. 147-149). This should have settled the issue forever, but alas in this case issues are rarely ever "settled." The issue was revived, not due to some research done by conspiracists, but rather because of an FBI mistake.
In a report to the Warren Commission on the man in the doorway, the FBI stated:
On February 29, 1964, Billy Nolan Lovelady was photographed by Special Agents of the FBI at Dallas, Texas. On this occasion, Lovelady advised that on the day of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, November 22, 1963, at the time of the assassination, and shortly before, he was standing in the doorway of the front entrance to the TSBD where he is employed. He stated he was wearing a red and white vertical striped shirt and blue-jeans (CD 457, pp. 4-5).
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/oswald_doorway.htm
JohnyCanuck
(9,922 posts)I think the OIC, have debunked this debunking.
zappaman
(20,617 posts)The House Select Committee on Assassinations felt that this issue needed more investigation. They took a two-pronged approach. The HSCA first had its photographic evidence panel examine CE 203 and 369, photos of Oswald, and of Lovelady. They used the tools of forensic anthropology, by which the metric and morphological characteristics of the human face can be analyzed. Going far beyond the causal and subjective "looks like" kind of analysis, they used the Penrose distance statistic to show that the man in the doorway had features very different from Oswald's. Based on the analysis of the photographic evidence panel, "the committee concluded that it was highly improbable that the man in the doorway was Oswald and highly probable that he was Lovelady" (The Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations, pp. 58).
The other approach was that of Robert Groden, who had a good knowledge of all the photographic evidence in the case. Groden analyzed three films the John Martin film, the Robert Hughes film, and the Mark Bell film. These films showed a man in the doorway, wearing a shirt identical in appearance to the shirt on the man in the Altgens photo. But these films showed that the man wasn't Oswald, but rather was Lovelady.
Indeed, Groden contacted Lovelady, asked him to don the shirt he had worn on November 22, 1963, and photographed him in it. The shirt, of course, was entirely consistent with all the photos from the day of the assassination (Robert Groden, The Killing of a President, pp. 186-187).
"The committee concluded that it was highly improbable that the man in the doorway was Oswald and highly probable that he was Lovelady."
Groden, a man responsible for many silly conspiracy factoids, had in fact scored a solid research coup.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/oswald_doorway.htm
Why Syzygy
(18,928 posts)We have to keep in mind that the *investigators* of that day were highly motivated to finger Oswald. HIGHLY.
William Seger
(11,040 posts)Unca Fetzer believes that every photo and movie taken that day in Dealey Plaza has been altered. It must be, because none of them show what he wants them to show.
So the photo definitely looks like Lovelady, which means that someone must have put Lovelady's face on Oswald's body.
After a laughable lecture on logic, Fetzer then proceeds to ignore that (A) the shirt looks nothing like the one Oswald was wearing, and (B) the shirt looks exactly like the one Lovelady was wearing in other photos (which, or course, must have been altered, too).
Seriously, JohnyCanuck, there's a reason most JFK "researchers" consider Fetzer to be a huge embarrassment: He's fucking nuts.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)if they don't agree with your limited views william?
yellowcanine
(36,340 posts)RalphCinque
(2 posts)There isn't one valid thing being said here to deny Oswald in the doorway. The man is wearing Oswald's clothes! His very unique shirt with the gaping sprawl and the exposed t-shirt with the v-notch. Nobody else was dressed like that, just Oswald. He's got Oswald's slender build. He's even doing Oswald's stance, clasping his hands together in front, left over right. A close examination of his facial features shows that he is Oswald, and that includes his ear, his chin, his nose, his eyes, and his mouth. There is no way he can't be Oswald. There is no way Billy Lovelady woke up that morning and decked himself out the exact same way as Oswald. Maybe in another universe, but not the one we're living in.
And that's why there is an organization, the Oswald Innocence Campaign which includes Mark Lane, Gerald McKnight, Vincent Salandria, David Wrone, and has at this time 7 tenured professors. And we stand for Oswald innocence and Oswald in the doorway.
You can see it at www.oswald-innocent.com
Don't listen to the shills. They pop up everywhere. It's Oswald in the doorway as sure as it's Christ on the Cross. Stop the lies! Stop the nonsense. And visit the Oswald Innocence Campaign.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/
zappaman
(20,617 posts)And thanks for the laughs!
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Weren't you the one defending Mike Nifong also?
yellowcanine
(36,340 posts)Only someone completely unfamiliar with the academic system of tenure would cite the number of tenured professors as evidence of a project's credibility. Tenured in WHAT?, for one thing. Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, in any case.
Justice4JFK
(21 posts)50+ years in denial is enough already.
milestogo
(17,802 posts)the day of the assassination. It wasn't him in the Altgens picture.
http://www.oswald-innocent.com/lovelady.html