Malaysia Air 17

[delphi72]

Cue the conspiratory asshats....3....2....1

[BobbyBoring]

1. No conspiracy here

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It actually looks like a big plane that crashed, unlike the "Planes" on 9/11.

Edit changed plans to plane.

[femmocrat]

2. I hope this is a "safe" place to ask this....

How does the debris field of the Malaysian crash site compare to United Flight 93 over Shanksville?

I have read accounts (or speculation) that Flight 93 was shot down and that debris was scattered for miles. Yet, I do not recall seeing debris on the ground like the flight 17. I remember seeing one huge hole in the ground on local TV that day.

Just wondering about it today.... I don't want to stir up anything. I would appreciate a logical answer from any well-informed reader. If this turns all nasty, I will self-delete it.

Thank you in advance for your replies.

[IronGate]

3. Flight 93 was not shot down,

the terrorists dove into the ground when they realized they had lost control of the passengers, creating a big crater where most of the debris was contained.

[femmocrat]

6. Thank you for your explanation. nt

[BobbyBoring]

14. What debris?

For Christ's sake, look at the difference. Great deal of flight 17 came down in one place. You see huge parts of the plane, luggage, bodies and parts there of, personal effects,etc. None of this is seen at any of the 9/11 sites.

[IronGate]

15. What?

Most of the debris from Flight 93 was contained within that crater, not all, but most of it.

Flight 17 was spread out over a 10 mile radius, bodies and all.

[William Seger]

16. I've always wanted X-ray vision

I trust that you only use your superpowers for good?

[jberryhill]

17. it was a reclaimed strip mine

Do you know what a strip mine is?

Do you know what they do when they are done with one?

Find answers to those questions. We are talking about a nose dive into an unusually spongy area of not fully compacted soil.

Now, go to the beach or a sandbox. Throw a quarter down at the sand.

See the quarter? Where did it go?

[BobbyBoring]

18. That being the case

They should have been able to pull the plane out in BIG pieces. The bodies would have been intact landing in the nice soft uncompacted dirt.

[greyl]

19. Can you please share your calculations of that complicated event?

And don't say you did it in your head, because that's not the body part where crap like that is manufactured.

[jberryhill]

20. that's absurd

There is not a whole lot of difference in terms of sudden g forces between hitting a solid barrier and penetrating a few feet of disturbed soil.

[William Seger]

4. No similarity at all, nor should any be expected

UA93 was intact when it was deliberately crashed nose-first at very high speed into a reclaimed (filled-in) strip mine. The only debris that was"scattered for miles" was small bits of paper, cloth, and insulation that was carried by the wind. Whatever reason "truthers" may have for imagining that UA93 was shot down, there is no rational reason to believe it.

[femmocrat]

5. OK, thanks.

That does make sense.

[Reter]

7. I'll start

Was anyone important on the plane? Two Malaysian planes in four months? Ironic how it's also 18 years to the day of TWA Flight 800.

[delphi72]

8. Important?

298 people were important to someone.

[Reter]

12. You know what I meant

n/t

[cpwm17]

9. Two Malaysian planes in four months seems rather bizarre

but in major events such as this, where there are a lot of facts behind the event, there will often be coincidences. CT'ers do have fun with that fact, not understanding how life works in real life.

[jakeXT]

13. HIV/Aids Experts Killed In MH17 Attack

The shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was a blow to the global fight against Aids. Among its 298 innocent crew and passengers were at least six prominent experts on the disease.

Joep Lange, a former president of the International Aids Society, and at least five others headed for a biannual conference in Melbourne, were among those killed.

...

Earlier reports put the toll among researchers and activists at 100, but Francoise Barre-Sinoussi, the current president of the society, dismissed that count. “It might be a little higher (than six) but not the numbers” in some reports, she said, adding: “The extent of our loss is hard to comprehend or express.”

....

“Not since the loss of Jonathan Mann and his wife on the sabotaged Swiss Air flight to Geneva 17 years ago has the HIV/Aids research community suffered such a great loss,” said Professor Robin Weiss, emeritus professor of viral oncology at University College London.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrodgers/2014/07/19/hivaids-experts-killed-in-mh17-attack/

[jakeXT]

10. There is a book out on MH370

The recently published ‘Flight MH370: The Mystery ’ makes the allegation that the airline was shot down by US-Thai strike fighters as part of a training drill that went horribly wrong

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/malaysia-plane-crash-latest-disaster-3875083

[WovenGems]

11. Here's one

A paper airplane club was elated at the height their new design got then......all planes were sucked up by passing passenger plane. The club has not come clean yet.

[jakeXT]

21. Oliver Stone Questions Theories on MH17 Crash Circulating in US Media

MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) – US director Oliver Stone urged not to take for granted numerous US media reports accusing Russia of its involvement in the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.
In a statement posted on his Facebook page Stone stressed the necessity to examine alternative versions of the tragedy brought up by journalists.
“This is too good to be true. After this massive rush to judgment by US media, please read these fascinating dissents from 2 honest investigative journalists who probe deeper than our propagandizing fourth estate. This is an unnecessarily dangerous situation brewing because of US politics,” Stone said.
In his statement the director refers to journalists Robert Parry and Pepe Escobar who insist that the US government intentionally thrusts on its citizens Washington’s official stance on the issue providing, however, no ample evidence.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191255518/Oliver-Stone-Questions-Theories-on-MH17-Crash-Circulating-in-US.html