Hundreds of witnesses report massive explosions at the base of the towers

[gyroscope]

Countless firefighters, paramedics, police officers, reporters, office workers, etc. all report massive explosions coming from the lobby, basement area and lower floors.

[superbeachnut]

1. No explosives were used - if they were explosives the nearest people would be dead.

I was caused by an aircraft impact equal in energy to 2000 and 1300 pounds of TNT. Massive Kinetic Energy impacts make loud sounds.
However, you the OP implies explosives were used, why was no one killed by the blast? No body died on 911 from blasts by explosives. Zero explosives were used on 911, and zero steel was damaged by explosives.
The aircraft impacts are the cause, and how fast does sound travel in steel vs air? Use science next time before posting silly claims made by a failed movement of fantasy, 911 truth.

[gyroscope]

2. No explosions?

So all those witnesses were lying about what they heard? What do you think shattered all the glass windows in the lobby? Some of those witnesses were clearly injured by the explosions in the lobby. That one firefighter had blood all over his face after describing the explosions that he said blew up the lobby while he was in it.

[superbeachnut]

6. No explosives, just loud sounds.

Not one heard an explosive. Sorry, you have no evidence for anything but loud sounds. It is called a simile, sounds like an explosion, yet, there were zero explosives used to bring down the WTC. Sorry, 911 truth is a fantasy movement based on lies, and in your case quote mining the heck out of people who did not say explosives were used to bring down the WTC. You have BS

[gyroscope]

3. 19:45

Last edited Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:15 PM - Edit history (1)

at 19:45 the firefighter in the video describes explosions in the basement and says,

"I know people who got killed in the basement. I know people who got their legs broken in the basement. I know people who had to get reconstructive surgery because the walls hit them in the face."



correction: the witness was a construction worker not a firefighter.

[cpwm17]

4. Obviously a collapsing tower will cause loud noises

Those two lucky to be alive firefighters heard loud noises before the building actually fell on them. The sound from the aircraft impact zone and lower, after the building started collapsing from the impact zone, would reach them first. There is a huge amount of mass which represents a huge amount of energy that needs to go somewhere. Some of it was dissipated in the form of loud noises.

The last part is a fraud. The noise was added later. Some people here may know the history. The towers collapsed from the impact zones so the bombs in the basement theory is nonsense.

[gyroscope]

5. Deny all you want.

But I believe the people who were actually there, and were even injured or killed by explosions in the tower basement and lobby areas.

[superbeachnut]

7. loud noises used by 911 truth to fool the gullible into believing CD, explosives, and woo

No one was exposed to explosives, and if they were they would be dead if close. People were injured by fireballs from jet fuel.
Zero blast damage to WTC steel. Makes the explosives claim a fantasy, and ignores who did 911, 19 terrorists in planes.

[gyroscope]

9. Do you have a hearing problem?

witnesses in the video said people died from explosions in the lobby and basement area

[superbeachnut]

12. another lie, no one died of explosives

where is your proof, the people who died were burnt or fell

Witnesses to explosives would all be dead in the basement, or the lobby, you don't understand explosives.

[cpwm17]

60. What would be the point in putting bombs in the basements

when the towers didn't collapse from the basements? They collapsed from the aircraft impact zones.

Think about that. The aircraft were obviously perfectly capable of taking down the towers and the logistics in crashing some hijacked aircraft into a large buildings is far simpler than rigging a building with explosive (magical silent explosives, except heard by people near the towers) and taking the building down that way. Explosives would be redundant and the perpetrators would be guaranteed to get caught.

Think about the logistics and expertise required to rig both towers with explosive and then to get the explosive to take down the towers at the aircraft impact zones. The massive operation would be uncovered well before completion. You couldn't assemble such a team to carry out the operation because the vast majority of Americans would refuse to take part and report it to the authorities.

Controlled Demolitions are extremely loud from a distance. Loud noises weren't heard in any of the collapses, except at close range.

[superbeachnut]

13. Hearsay is not evidence.

"I know people", is hearsay. Good luck

[7962]

115. Give it up, you cant make sense like that! You've been fooled by the CIA!! Or Bush!

Its amazing how gullible people can be when it comes to stuff like this.
Every time you see an interview with someone who has been in a tornado, you hear the same thing: "It sounded like a freight train" So using THIS logic, it therefore MUST have been a freight train that hit the town.

[superbeachnut]

8. No explosives, just loud sounds - and lies from the dumbest movement in history 911 truth

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheyheard

What did they hear?

"Sounded like bombs" –Keith Murphy
"A huge explosion" –Gerard Gorman
"Sound of popping and exploding" –Alwish Monchery
"Explosions" –William Burns
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom" –Rosario Terranova
"Sounded like explosions." –Anthony Fitzgerald
"Like a shotgun going off" –Mark Meier
"Sounded like explosions" –Wilfred Barriere
"Sounded like bombs, like blockbusters" –John Murray
"You could hear explosions" –Richard Smiouskas
"Sounded like an M-80, that's how loud they were" –Tim Pearson
"Sounds like a shotgun" –Eric Ronningen
"Sounded like an explosion" –John Morabito
"There were lots of explosions" –Jeff Birnbaum
"Under the assumption that the sounds were secondary bombs." –Andrew Rodriguez
"Sounded like bombs. Like a bomb going off. I mean, it was huge." –FDNY Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

Wow more evidence for your fantasy explosives; a fantasy based on...

[gyroscope]

10. Were you there?

if not then you have no idea what you are talking about.

personally, I'll take the word of those who were there. they weren't just one or two, but hundreds were firsthand witnesses to huge secondary explosions at the base of the towers, which are clearly heard in the recorded video. I don't know how it can be reasonably denied by anyone with two functioning ears and eyeballs.

what do think they were? firecrackers? you seem to be confusing Sept. 11 with with July 4.

[superbeachnut]

11. No explosives, just 911 truth quote mining and making up dumbed down lies

"Sounded like bombs" –Keith Murphy
"A huge explosion" –Gerard Gorman
"Sound of popping and exploding" –Alwish Monchery
"Explosions" –William Burns
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom" –Rosario Terranova
"Sounded like explosions." –Anthony Fitzgerald
"Like a shotgun going off" –Mark Meier
"Sounded like explosions" –Wilfred Barriere
"Sounded like bombs, like blockbusters" –John Murray
"You could hear explosions" –Richard Smiouskas
"Sounded like an M-80, that's how loud they were" –Tim Pearson
"Sounds like a shotgun" –Eric Ronningen
"Sounded like an explosion" –John Morabito
"There were lots of explosions" –Jeff Birnbaum
"Under the assumption that the sounds were secondary bombs." –Andrew Rodriguez
"Sounded like bombs. Like a bomb going off. I mean, it was huge." –FDNY Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

These were bodies hitting the ground. The trouble with your claims of explosives, you don't have anything but quote mining nonsesnes to support your fantasy. You take what people say, and claim explosives, no clue they heard bodies, or the impact of the aircraft whose sound traveled though the steel faster than air. But you don't care to stop and think, you spew lies you found on the internet, so you can cut and paste nonsense, and mock the thousands murdered solely by 19 terrorists. Why do you spread lies of explosives without real evidence?

The people above were not liars, they will tell you, the explosions they heard were bodies hitting stuff when the people jumped to avoid the horrific pain of burning. Ever been burnt bad?

You take quotes and turn them into fantasy.

You have no sounds of explosives used to destroy the WTC.

[gyroscope]

17. Are you a comedian?

explosions were just the sound of bodies hitting the ground?

you are a riot.

[IronGate]

18. The only comedy here is your thread,

it's a laugh a minute.

[gyroscope]

19. Whatever you say Beavis

lol

[IronGate]

20. Oooooh, that hurt.

[superbeachnut]

33. making fun of those who jumped, can you top that

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheyheard

Making fun of people hitting the ground, which sounded like explosions is really sad. Why do you do it?

"Sounded like bombs" –Keith Murphy
"A huge explosion" –Gerard Gorman
"Sound of popping and exploding" –Alwish Monchery
"Explosions" –William Burns
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom" –Rosario Terranova
"Sounded like explosions." –Anthony Fitzgerald
"Like a shotgun going off" –Mark Meier
"Sounded like explosions" –Wilfred Barriere
"Sounded like bombs, like blockbusters" –John Murray
"You could hear explosions" –Richard Smiouskas
"Sounded like an M-80, that's how loud they were" –Tim Pearson
"Sounds like a shotgun" –Eric Ronningen
"Sounded like an explosion" –John Morabito
"There were lots of explosions" –Jeff Birnbaum
"Under the assumption that the sounds were secondary bombs." –Andrew Rodriguez
"Sounded like bombs. Like a bomb going off. I mean, it was huge." –FDNY Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

These sounds heard and quote-mined by you and 911 truth, are sounds of bodies hitting stuff around the WTC. Go ahead, make fun of murdered by 19 terrorists. It is the only product of 911 truth.

[delphi72]

69. Were you there?

There weren't any "explosions" at the base of the tower other than the fireball/jet fuel conflagration that occurred immediately after impact. Explosions cause blunt-body damage when shock waves hit soft tissue - nobody died from blunt body trauma cause by expanding shock waves in the lobby of WTC 1 or 2 - OR the Pentagon, for that matter. If anyone had died from blunt body trauma from expanding shock waves from a conventional explosion, the whole world would have known about it and it would have been common knowledge. It didn't happen. There are people who said that whole event "sounded like a train". Are you going to argue that because someone said it "sounded like a freight train" that a train was running through lower Manhattan that morning?

[IronGate]

14. Oh geez, not another.

From personal experience, when a structure starts to collapse, it sounds like a bomb going off, there's all kinds of terrifying sounds that accompany a collapse.

[gyroscope]

15. lol

sounds do not cause people to die. explosions do.

but thanks for the laugh.

[IronGate]

16. The only laughable thing here is your newest CT bullshit.

But go ahead and live in your little CT world while the rest of us live in the real world.

[gyroscope]

21. "From personal experience"

you been around a lot of collapsing buildings?

haha the comedy gets better and better.

[IronGate]

22. I've been around my share of them in my 20+ year career.

How many have you been in and around?
What's your experience with fire and collapsing structures?

Maybe you don't recognize the international symbol in my sig line?

[gyroscope]

23. I know an explosion when I hear one

but apparently you can't.

[IronGate]

24. I'll ask again,

what's your experience with explosions, fire, collapsing structures?
Other than what you see on TV?
How many Fire Science courses have you passed? Attended? How many EOD courses have you taken?

[gyroscope]

25. Your fellow firefighters on 9/11 say they heard explosions

they can tell an explosion when they hear one. why can't you?

[IronGate]

26. My fellow firefighters are plain wrong.

There is/was zero evidence of any explosive ordnance in any of the collapsed buildings, as in none, zip, nada.
ATF, FBI, NYPD, FDNY never found any evidence of explosive devices or residue in any of those buildings.

[gyroscope]

27. You know better than all the firefighters who were there that day?

what are you like god or something?



"ATF, FBI, NYPD, FDNY never found any evidence of explosive devices or residue in any of those buildings."

I don't believe any of those agencies were involved in the official investigation. the 9/11 commission members were all politicians who were handpicked by Bush himself, not professional investigators. what does that tell you? it was a sham and a coverup from the start.

[IronGate]

28. Where the hell do you think the commission got their information from?

In my last Fire Science Academy, we studied just this event, we read and analyzed all the ATF, FBI, NYPD, FDNY, and countless other agencies reports and not one, again, NOT ONE of those reports ever alleged any ordnance or residue was found.

Do you know how silly you sound now?

Again, what's your credentials in this area?

[IronGate]

29. "I don't believe any of those agencies were involved in the official investigation."

I can't believe you said that!!!
Are you for real? You honestly believe that none of those agencies were involved in the official investigation?
If not them, then who? Mickey Mouse and the Musketeers?

[gyroscope]

30. And who was the FBI director?

a Bush appointee?

sorry but I would not trust any member or appointee of the Bush administration.

independent scientists have done analysis and found evidence of military grade nanothermitic materials in the dust.

[IronGate]

31. Dude, you're really going off the cliff here.

The smell of desperation is thick in the air.

So, all the agencies involved were in on the this conspiracy of yours and the 911 truthers?
ATF, FBI, NYPD, FDNY, DIA, CIA, NSA?

You said that those agencies weren't involved in the official investigation, are you changing your story now?
If they weren't involved in the official investigation, then how come we had to read and analyze hundreds upon hundreds of documents from these investigating agencies?

Now, please answer my question, what's your experience and education in this field?

[gyroscope]

34. You believe politicians never lie?

if so then I've got some swampland in Florida I'd like to sell you. do you think Bush lied about the WMDs in Iraq? if so then why should anyone believe anything he and his minions, who were in charge of the official investigation, have to say about 9/11?

do you know what a controlled demolition looks like? if not I suggest you do some research about what that looks like because anyone with a lick of sense and some honesty can see what those collapses were that day.

[IronGate]

35. I know a hell of a lot better than you what a controlled demo looks like.

I've taken many a course on EOD, Demolitions, Structure collapses, etc, but I find it rather odd that you won't reveal what your experience is in this field. Why is that?

[gyroscope]

37. I don't find you to be credible on this issue at all

hundreds of firefighters on the scene stated they heard and/or experienced explosions at the base of the towers. but that was all just in their imagination according to you. why should I take your word over theirs? no offense but do you know how ridiculous you sound?

if that's not solid evidence of controlled demolition, along with the findings of independent scientists who have no political ties to any administration, I don't know what is.

[superbeachnut]

41. Go ahead list them, list the hundreds who heard explosives

List them. By name, with their complete statement, not a cherry picked quote mined segment, then produce a follow up that they experienced an explosion from a planted explosive. Then provide evidence on the steel of a blast, aka blast effects.

[IronGate]

42. Really?

I'd like to know what their training is in controlled explosions.
What their experience is in collapsing structures.
What their training is in actual EOD.
What their experience is in EOD procedures.
How long they've been on the job.
How many structure collapses they've actually been involved in.

Why won't you list your experience in this field?

[IronGate]

36. So, the aircraft flying into the WTC buildings were just holograms, right?

[gyroscope]

38. Nice strawman

sorry no but I don't believe that they were.

you fail

[IronGate]

39. The only fail here is yours with your CT baloney thread.

BTW, ready to answer my question of your experience in this field?
Is it more extensive than my 20+ years in the Fire Service and Military?
Is it more extensive than my numerous courses in the Fire Science Academy's?
Is it more extensive than my training in EOD with the US Marine Corps?
Please answer the questions.

[gyroscope]

40. With all that training and credentials

you still don't know what an explosion sounds like?

maybe you need to take a few more classes lol.
either that or get yourself a hearing aid.

[IronGate]

43. And you still won't answer my questions.

Says a lot about you.

[superbeachnut]

32. You missed it, the FBI started investigating on 911, the biggest in history

The FBI investigated WTC crime. The commission was BS political claptrap, another big quote mining BS 911 truth source of more lies.

NIST investigate the collapse, FEMA investigated the collapse.

Ironically you ignore the biggest FBI investigation in history, and think the commision was the investigation.

The only SHAM is 911 truth, spreading lies based on nonsense like this.

You are and were wrong.

[gyroscope]

107. What FBI investigation?

the FBI investigated the collapses? that's news to me.
can you provide a link to the results of this investigation?


at least you admit the 9/11 commission was a joke and a coverup. that's a start!

[superbeachnut]

110. FBI did the investigation, and found 19 terrorists did it.

The 911 commission did not investigate how the WTC collapse, NIST did. They found out it was fire - it destroys the strength of steel, always did, always will. Many high rises have been totaled by fire. But 911 truth does not care for reality.


Yes, the FBI found 19 terrorists took 4 heavy jets and flew them at high speed into the ground, into the Pentagon, and into the WTC towers. Did you miss 911? This means the FBI found that 10 terrorists took 2 planes and destroyed the WTC complex, because the planes destroyed the fires systems, and injected 66,000 pounds of jet fuel, 10,000 gallons, into each tower, starting the biggest office fires in history. If 911 happened at night you would not be fooled by the liars in 911 truth. Did you study 911 before trying to support the lies from 911 truth?

NIST studied the WTC with specific goals, and none of those goals included answering the idiotic claims of 911 truth. Have you read NIST, all ~10,000 pages? if not, how can you say much of anything

Where is evidence for explosives. So far 911 truth has jumpers who made sounds like explosives, and crashing buildings, but no sounds of explosives. Do you have some? Have you been next to an explosion? I have, some nut was sending SCUDS at me, and he blew out my windows from a half mile away - the feeling in my gut from a half mile away is what an explosive does, on 911 there were no sounds of explosives, only loud sounds. Go ahead support lies based on hearsay, quote-mining and less.

[superbeachnut]

44. Loud sounds on 911 are used by 911 truth as evidence for some fantasy inside job

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheyheard

You were debunked years ago

[IronGate]

45. I think we can call this thread bullshit.

I find it rather telling that he/she won't answer my questions on his/hers experience in this field.

[gyroscope]

46. I find it rather telling

you don't know what a simple explosion sounds like.

enrolling in a few more firefighting classes might help you with that. good luck

[IronGate]

47. I find it rather telling that you refuse to stack your experience

against mine.
C'mon, let's list your vast experience against my 20+years in the Fire Service and US Marine Corps.

What's the matter? Why are you afraid to answer my questions?

[IronGate]

48. Just as I thought,

crickets.
I think we're done here, you refuse to answer my questions, so I will conclude that you have no idea of what you're trying to push here.

Another CT'er put to bed, good night.

[gyroscope]

51. Says the guy who claims explosions and bodies hitting the ground make the same sound

talk about fantasyland.

[IronGate]

52. So, have you EVER heard a body hitting the ground?

And why oh why won't you answer my questions on your extensive experience in this field?

[superbeachnut]

61. Making fun of jumpers again, 911 truth at its best

All the sounds you claim are from explosives were from other things; like bodies hitting stuff, like electrical transformers which go BOOM!
How many electrical transformers were in the WTC, like the hundreds out side my house in my neighborhood? Hundreds?

Guess what transformers and failing electrical systems on 911 sound like? Any clue? Did you try to explain, instead of falling for 911 truth lies? Do you always believe liars first?

Some of the firemen who you and 911 quote mine, were talking about possible transformer explosions ; but you only use the quote mined part, not the rest of the story

[gyroscope]

79. Speculation

the source of the explosions at the WTC could plausibly come from electrical transformers or gas mains or whatever. but they could be from bombs going off. you can't know that without an investigation. that you are claiming these explosions are from exploding electrical transformers without any evidence tells me you are jumping to conclusion and have an agenda.

the explosions heard on the 9/11 video are too massive and violent to be coming from an electrical transformer. in the video you posted when the transformer blows up it sounds like a ordinary firecracker. but in the 9/11 video the explosion sounds like a massive 1000 lb military grade bomb going off. there's no comparison.


and if it was gas main exploding there would have been smell of gas everywhere and would have caused massive gas fires on the ground floors before the towers fell, but there was no reports of such.

[superbeachnut]

81. No explosives, no evidence, no joy for 911 truth, 13th year of failure

Nope, the loud sounds on video were not from explosives. You are making that up, a fantasy. The WTC was investigated, no blast damage on any steel.

[gyroscope]

88. Keep drinking that kool-aid

[IronGate]

85. So how come all the reports I studied from the ATF, FBI, FEMA,

CIA, NSA, NYPD, FDNY, etc not once mentioned finding any explosive residue?
Are they all in on this "conspiracy"?

Ready to answer my question on your experience in this field?

[gyroscope]

90. They didn't find any because the didn't look

NIST, the governmental agency in charge of determining the causes of the WTC collapses, didn't even test for explosive residue. Which they freely admit on their website.



----------------------------------
From official NIST website:

22. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues?


NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel.

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm

------------------------------------------

Biggest joke and sham of an 'investigation' in the history of the world.

[IronGate]

95. They didn't find any because they didn't look?

That's funny, because the reports from the FDNY, ATF, FBI, NYPD, etc all mentioned not finding any explosive residue.

Keep digging yourself in deeper.

[gyroscope]

97. Got a link to those reports?

*crickets*

[IronGate]

98. They were part of our Fire Science Academy,

look them up yourself.
The fact remains that no explosive residue were found in the wreckage of the WTC.

Ready to stack you creds against mine?

[gyroscope]

99. LOL

until you provide evidence these reports you are talking about do in fact exist then you have absolutely zero creds and are nothing but a shill.

you do know what evidence is don't you? you know, when you make a claim you need to back it up with evidence? they should have taught you that in firefighting school.

[IronGate]

100. LOL,

you CT'ers are a hoot. We read and analyzed those reports whether you believe it or not.
Still want to compare creds?

[gyroscope]

101. Your creds = Zero

...still waiting to see those FBI/CIA reports, if they exist at all.

but I won't hold my breath.

[IronGate]

102. Just as I won't hold my breath waiting for you to list your credentials

in this field.
Pure comedy gold you are.

[gyroscope]

105. My credibility is better than yours, which is nonexistent

at least I list my sources, while you seem to pull them out of your rear end.

[IronGate]

108. Sources?

You call them sources?
Enjoy your life of paranoia.

[gyroscope]

111. I provided the link to the NIST website

you know, the agency responsible for the official investigation of the wtc collapses.

you don't find them to be credible? at least we can agree on that.

[IronGate]

87. Oh yeah,

while you're listing all your credentials in this field, bear in mind that I can smell bullshit a mile away, I have 20+ years in the Fire Service, I am still on our depts. bomb squad, I've been witness to several structure collapses, been inside a couple of them when they came down,
I was, and still am, a US Marine trained EOD with actual experience in Iraq.

So, tell me how your trained better than me?

[gyroscope]

92. If you really are a firefighter

then you're not a very good one if you can't tell what an explosions sounds like.

You might need more training.

[IronGate]

93. Still won't list your credentials huh?

Why is that?
BTW, I'm not a Firefighter, I'm a Firefighter/EMT-P.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

49. Well, I for one, don't believe for a minute that two planes

caused that whole complex to come down.

[IronGate]

50. And, another one.

What's your experience in collapsing structures?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

53. A more appropriate question would be

what's my experience with my government telling the truth? Getting under my school desk to keep from being injured by a Nuclear bomb pretty much trashed any credibility they might have had.

[IronGate]

54. No, the correct question is,

what experience do you have in this field? Besides watching TV and listening to these CT'ers?
Have you ever witnessed a structure collapse?
Have you ever actually been inside a structure when it's collapsed?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

62. Obviously you just want to fight.

I suppose that if I had been in a building collaps I would't be answering your question, would I?
I have, however, participated in the construction of the Transamerica Pyramid, the Bechtal towers, Bank of America's world heeadquarters, Bank of America Montgomery Street, the Standard oil building, etc. Hell, I helped build those buildings.
I did a fair amount of the structural steel. Hell, I think I know what I'm talking about. I built those Building. Did you?

[IronGate]

65. And I've been inside of a collapsing structure,

it's the most terrifying experience I've ever witnessed, it sounded like a bomb going off.
Again I ask, have you ever been inside a collapsing structure? What's your experience in EOD?
You may have built them, but that has absolutely nothing to do with actually experiencing a collapse.

[gyroscope]

106. Which collapsing structures have you been in specifically?

can you name them? and provide the time and dates.

[IronGate]

109. I don't provide times and dates because I don't want

anyone to know which Dept. I work for, so either believe me or don't, makes no difference to me.

[superbeachnut]

67. the WTC complex collapsed due to fires not fought

your point

... the structural engineer for the WTC knows what caused the collapse, do you

ROBERTSON: But the collapse mechanism of the Trade Center is as we had anticipated it would be when we first designed it. It was not – please don't misunderstand me – it was not designed to collapse. But any prudent engineer looking at the future has to think about, what are the mechanisms that cause collapse, and how to go about strengthening the building so as to minimize that circumstance. So sure, we spent time looking at that kind of event, and that which was observable from the photographs and so forth is reasonably consistent with that which we thought would be the case.

No sounds of explosives on 911, just 911 truth spreading lies

[gyroscope]

56. Typical

and after Flight 11 struck the north tower officials from FEMA were reportedly telling people over the intercom to stay in their offices, the building was safe and there was no need to evacuate. Must of told them to just hide under their desks. Which probably contributed to the death toll when the buildings collapsed on them.

[IronGate]

58. And this has to do with what with your thread? nt.

[gyroscope]

64. Goes to show

that the government can't seem to tell their asses from a hole in the ground.
and could hardly be trusted to carry out a proper investigation into the events of 9/11.

only an imbecile would buy into the farce that was the 9/11 commission.

[IronGate]

66. And you still refuse to answer my questions. nt.

[wildbilln864]

71. your questions deserve no response!

fire fighters and first responders on the scene heard multiple explosions! Saw molten steel flowing under all three buildings and the heat lasted for two months after they collapsed! But you think we should believe you over eyewitnesses? Nonsense! You was not there!

[IronGate]

73. LOL.

Grasping dude, grasping.
So, what's your experience with fire, explosions, collapsing structures?

[wildbilln864]

78. my experience is...

I know bullshit when I see it. And it's strong with the anti-truth squad!

[IronGate]

83. IOW, you have zero experience while I have 20+ years experience

and numerous courses and real life experiences in both the Fire Service and US Marines.

Thanks for admitting that your real time knowledge is bupkus except what you read from these CT nuts.

[wildbilln864]

84. well that's your tale...

I'm here sitting on mine.

[zappaman]

74. Perhaps people were shooting at the towers!

"Sounds like a shotgun" –Eric Ronningen
"Like a shotgun going off" –Mark Meier
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom" –Rosario Terranova

or maybe fireworks going off!
"Sounded like an M-80, that's how loud they were" –Tim Pearson

[superbeachnut]

80. Why can't 911 truth followers do simile

No explosives, only loud sounds.
No melted steel.
BTW, thermite burns out in seconds and minutes and would not burn for two months; you debunked thermite.

Which eyewitness said and verified it was melted steel? Zero
Which eyewitness said it was explosives, and verified it? Zero


You can't produce any steel with blast damage. You can't produce any melted steel evidence.

13th year of failure for 911 truth - a solid record

[superbeachnut]

68. FBI did the investigation, and found 19 terrorists did it.

You missed the FBI did the investigation, and found 19 terrorists did 911, not your fantasy explosives. With BS like this for Flights 11 and 175, what is your fantasy for 77 and 93.

NIST also figure out what caused the collapse and study the buildings as per their goals; guess you missed their 10,000 plus pages of reports - reading is much harder than repeating the lies of 911 truth, saves time and having to comprehend reality.

[superbeachnut]

63. two planes did it, but then that is reality

19 terrorists did 911, the plot is too complex for 911 truth followers

1. kill pilots take planes
2. crash planes

Two steps which 911 truth can't grasp; for the 13th year.

the explosives part of 911 truth's fantasy is a big fail; there were zero sounds of explosives on 911.

[AZCat]

70. I'm not sure why that's relevant.

Arguments from incredulity aren't particularly useful. What is more useful is looking at the evidence and drawing conclusions.

[Logical]

113. Well then I guess they didn't....LOL nt

[7962]

116. A weak upper structure will bring the whole thing down. Simple.

Especially when the "weak upper structure" is 25-30 floors falling. Who knows how much weight that was dropping onto the rest. Which caused them to pancake one after the other. I stood there and watched it. TOP DOWN. The bottom DIDNT FALL FIRST like it would in a demolition.

[Ghost Dog]

55. .

[superbeachnut]

57. wow, another failed 911 truth video filled with BS

Wow, more BS. Where did you find a video dumbed down this much?

[IronGate]

59. LOL.

The more their bullshit is called out, the more the desperation.

[wildbilln864]

72. great post! thanks. n/t

[IronGate]

75. Great post?

[wildbilln864]

76. well yes IG, twas great indeed!

n/t

[IronGate]

77. twas great indeed?

Pure comedy gold.

[wildbilln864]

82. glad you're amused.

"IronGate"...

[IronGate]

86. Amused that after 13 years of your CT bull being debunked,

y'all still are harping on it and making up "facts".

[wildbilln864]

89. 13 years?

see. there goes your credibility. you made that up and we all know that!
you're so desperate to look credible that you did just the oposite. Iron gate.

[IronGate]

91. Well, let's do the math,

the towers came down in 2001, add 13 years and lo and behold, you end up in the year 2014.
Now who has

[wildbilln864]

94. yea lets do....

show us where I was "debunked" 13 years ago?
or 12? or 11?

[IronGate]

96. Yeah, let's

when I say your CT bullshit, I mean all the CT'ers.

[hack89]

103. So why didn't the collapse start at the bottom of the towers

instead of the top?

[IronGate]

104. Because that wouldn't square with their CT loonyness. nt.

[Logical]

112. Lol, you really are entertaining! nt

[7962]

114. Gee, a huge building starts falling and it sounds like an explosion. So does a sonic boom.

So does thunder. So does a lot of things. Your point?