Before massacre, Uvalde gunman frequently threatened teen girls online

[Diamond_Dog]

x post from GD yesterday

In the aftermath of the deadliest school shooting in a decade, many have asked what more could have been done — how an 18-year-old who spewed so much hate to so many on the Web could do so without provoking punishment or raising alarm.

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He could be cryptic, demeaning and scary, sending angry messages and photos of guns. If they didn’t respond how he wanted, he sometimes threatened to rape or kidnap them — then laughed it off as some big joke..

But the girls and young women who talked with Salvador Ramos online in the months before he allegedly killed 19 children in an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, rarely reported him. His threats seemed too vague, several said in interviews with The Washington Post. One teen who reported Ramos on the social app Yubo said nothing happened as a result.

Some also suspected this was just how teen boys talked on the Internet these days — a blend of rage and misogyny so predictable they could barely tell each one apart. One girl, discussing moments when he had been creepy and threatening, said that was just “how online is.”

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/28/uvalde-shooting-gunmen-teen-girls/

What is the solution for this? I have nothing. Where is all this hate coming from in a person so young

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Threats online have been going on for more than 20 years

The threat is on the internet, and needs specificity to become a local law enforcement problem. There is a disconnect between threats and the response to investigate, and people fear reporting threats. For most people in most instances, encountering a bully translates to the best move is to slink away for fear of reprisal.

A system of reporting, investigation, and sanctions - accountability, fines, visits from LE, discussions with parents - is needed.

With freedom comes responsibility is not very relevant anymore.

[Scrivener7]

2. Issues with women is a common thread to most of these shooters.

[JudyM]

3. Getting away with so much likely further emboldened him.

One step at a time, over the line.

[Claire Oh Nette]

4. We're still a sexist, misogynistic nation, too.

But the girls and young women who talked [w/the killer] online [...] rarely reported him. His threats seemed too vague, [...] One teen who reported [him on]Yubo said nothing happened as a result.

Some also suspected this was just how teen boys talked on the Internet these days — a blend of rage and misogyny so predictable they could barely tell each one apart. One girl, discussing moments when he had been creepy and threatening, said that was just “how online is.”

If girls didn't respond like he wanted, he'd threatened rape or murder, then laugh it off.

Open misogyny, belittling, verbal debasement, and gaslighting.
American men are allowed to have an abuser mindset. American Conservative men are masters of deny, attack, reverse victim and offender.

The Internet is rife with incel anti women hatred. AND OUR GIRLS EXPECT THIS.

This has to change, too. Hate speech is violence.

[niyad]

5. Thank you so much fo bringing this here. Like you, I have no solutions. The environment

of patriarchy, the dominant male culture, is so deeply entrenched as to seem almost unreachable.

But there must be a way.

[Diamond_Dog]

6. Parents need to teach boys to respect women

And parents of girls need to teach them to respect themselves

But you can’t easily change thousands of years of religious and societal misogyny or patriarchy.