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appalachiablue

(42,869 posts)
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:23 PM Jul 2021

Why Is A 108-Year-Old Resorting To GoFundMe To Pay For Home Care?



- Longtime activist Judith Bernstein of Chatham, Mass. has started a GoFundMe campaign to raise money and help her stay in her home.
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By Ross Barkan, The Guardian, July 7, 2021. - Excerpts, Ed.

- The predicament of Juliet Bernstein is just one more example of how America’s byzantine healthcare system fails so many. -

A 108-year-old woman named Juliet Bernstein recently launched a GoFundMe to pay for around-the-clock home care that she could otherwise not afford. A retired schoolteacher who is physically frail but mentally sharp, Bernstein, who was born before the first world war, hopes to remain in the modest Massachusetts home where she retired, receiving help to cook, clean and bathe. “I saw it was being done for someone whose child was very sick,” Bernstein, a longtime civic activist, told the Boston Globe.

“So I said, ‘I’m not going to go to a nursing home. I’m remaining here.’” Bernstein has raised more than $100,000 so far, an impressive figure that still may be spent down quickly, given the realities of the American healthcare system. Bernstein’s home care is not eligible for Medicare or Medicaid assistance. She cannot afford private insurance for long-term help, living on her modest pension and social security.

While it’s heartwarming that the GoFundMe has been able to raise cash for her home care, her predicament is just one more example of how America’s byzantine patchwork of public and private for-profit healthcare options fail so many people, particularly the elderly and the vulnerable. Even if Bernstein decides to move to a nursing home, Medicare will pay for only a limited stay with such care. Medicaid provides nursing home coverage if a person’s assets do not exceed $2,000, excluding a home, car and personal belongings. Since she has a pension along with social security, Bernstein does not meet that threshold.

She wants to avoid the fate of many seniors who spend down their assets to qualify for long-term care under Medicaid. That would mean bleeding out her savings, selling her home and becoming effectively destitute. To receive mostly free healthcare in America, that is the decision many elderly and ill people must make.. Other advanced democracies already guarantee healthcare to everyone. America is the tragic laggard. Instead of single-payer healthcare or a national health service, we have been forced to endure an expensive, predatory privatized system with a fractured safety net for the elderly and the extremely poor...

More,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/07/juliet-bernstein-108-year-old-gofundme-home-care-america-healthcare
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Chatham activist Juliet Bernstein, 107, starts GoFundMe to stay in her home, Cape Cod Times, June 16, 2021,
https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/2021/06/16/chatham-activist-juliet-bernstein-107-starts-gofundme-stay-home-mercy-otis-warren-council-on-aging/7598918002/

.. Bernstein is a well-known figure in Chatham and on Cape Cod. She served in the League of Women Voters of Lower Cape Cod and in the ’80s was actively involved in the Cape Cod Chapter of the Fellowship of Reconciliation, an international peace group created during World War I.
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Why Is A 108-Year-Old Resorting To GoFundMe To Pay For Home Care? (Original Post) appalachiablue Jul 2021 OP
because unless i remember MFM008 Jul 2021 #1
I believe that Medicare only pays for 100 days if she is DURHAM D Jul 2021 #2
A terrible, complex system. Tx for sharing. appalachiablue Jul 2021 #3
IIRC, Medicare pays for 100 days of medically necessary Skilled littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #6
Medicaid in MA lets you keep equity in your home up to $900K. pnwmom Jul 2021 #19
I hope things work out for her whatever options she has. littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #21
I don't think it's really a shame that single people with million dollar homes pnwmom Jul 2021 #22
They are fortunate to have that option, unfortunately many others don't. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #23
Right. That's why I think The Guardian could have found a better example. pnwmom Jul 2021 #24
Well, at least she got free publicity for her GFM. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #25
I just read more. Her SON helped her set up the Gofundme. She wants to be able pnwmom Jul 2021 #26
She should set up a trust. Problem solved. It makes small difference what I think littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #27
This taxpayer Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #28
That would be unfair to taxpayers who don't own homes. pnwmom Jul 2021 #29
I wish Juliet all the success that she so richly deserves. abqtommy Jul 2021 #4
Well said, wishing this special lady the best. appalachiablue Jul 2021 #5
Unfortunately, neither Medicare or Medicaid is going to cover home care 24/7. Hoyt Jul 2021 #7
I've mentioned that I assist older adults in applying choie Jul 2021 #8
Thank you for this JustAnotherGen Jul 2021 #14
Interesting Grasswire2 Jul 2021 #9
You can qualify for Medicaid if you have few assets and your Social Security payment pnwmom Jul 2021 #10
yes, but that's not the case here. Grasswire2 Jul 2021 #17
She could reduce her equity in the home, if it's over the $906,000 limit, by getting a reverse pnwmom Jul 2021 #18
Medicare will cover some intermittent care, but it doesn't go on forever. It helps people try to Hoyt Jul 2021 #15
Medicaid does pay for in-home care in all 50 states. pnwmom Jul 2021 #11
Because too much of eldercare was written by the GOP RainCaster Jul 2021 #12
Ah, the call for "public service" has raised my hackles for years StClone Jul 2021 #13
If they taxed SS beyond 137,500 JustAnotherGen Jul 2021 #16
Medicaid in MA would let her keep her home equity, up to a value of $906K, pnwmom Jul 2021 #20

MFM008

(19,998 posts)
1. because unless i remember
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:32 PM
Jul 2021

correctly Medicare pays for 100 days of treatment.
If you need more you have to go into hospice, i think this is what we did with my mom.
Had to move her from home to home to home
and she was a veteran, but the VA wouldn't pick the big stuff up because she was not a veteran or a foreign war like my dad was.
The US had to be at war for her to qualify for her own benefits and she was in in during a 2 year gap year period of
no active conflict..............its all very very confusing and A LOT of paper work with various agencies.
Otherwise we would have to have put our house up as a lien for her to get medicaid.
None of us wanted to do that.

DURHAM D

(32,835 posts)
2. I believe that Medicare only pays for 100 days if she is
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:39 PM
Jul 2021

recovering from a hospital stay of 3 days or more. Otherwise zip as far as I know. How would she qualify for hospice? She seems okay?

appalachiablue

(42,869 posts)
3. A terrible, complex system. Tx for sharing.
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:40 PM
Jul 2021

Glad your mother had family to help her with this during difficult times.

littlemissmartypants

(25,378 posts)
6. IIRC, Medicare pays for 100 days of medically necessary Skilled
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:03 PM
Jul 2021

Nursing Facility treatment plus room and board. What she is hoping to fund is regular activities of daily living support which is not considered medically necessary.

She is seeking, it appears, is what some call a sitter or aide. The responsibilities may include food prep, laundry, shopping, light housekeeping, transportation to medical appointments and so on. They may also help with bathing and dressing, transfers from bed to chair, or from the toilet to a standing position, or bed to bath or toilet if the client has physical limitations.

It's possible that Medicaid could pay for some of these things but she would have to liquidate her wealth to qualify for Medicaid and she seems to be unwilling to do that. None of these things are covered by Medicare and are totally out of pocket for those in need unless you have had a qualifying hospital stay that can help you return to your former state of health, aka attending rehab.

Once you complete rehab you are expected to return to home unless you need additional care at which point you will be expected to pay out of pocket or if you have a supplemental health insurance policy that pays for what Medicare and Medicaid won't cover.

pnwmom

(109,536 posts)
19. Medicaid in MA lets you keep equity in your home up to $900K.
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:19 PM
Jul 2021

If her home is in excess of that, she could consider a reverse mortgage to fund her care.

littlemissmartypants

(25,378 posts)
21. I hope things work out for her whatever options she has.
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:23 PM
Jul 2021

It's both a privilege and a shame that this is what choice she has. We should do better taking care of our elders.

pnwmom

(109,536 posts)
22. I don't think it's really a shame that single people with million dollar homes
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:25 PM
Jul 2021

might have to use some of their equity at the end of their lives.

pnwmom

(109,536 posts)
24. Right. That's why I think The Guardian could have found a better example.
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:39 PM
Jul 2021

Also, the reporter is conflating the issue of National Healthcare with the issue of supporting oneself in aging, with greater need for assistance in living.

pnwmom

(109,536 posts)
26. I just read more. Her SON helped her set up the Gofundme. She wants to be able
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:15 PM
Jul 2021

to leave the house to her adult children.

Do you think taxpayers are supposed to take care of the living costs of people who own home equity of more than $906K, so their children can inherit them?

“There are people who have even less than what I have,” Bernstein said. “I’m not complaining, but I felt that I wanted to leave something for my children. I have the house. I want to keep the house for them.”

littlemissmartypants

(25,378 posts)
27. She should set up a trust. Problem solved. It makes small difference what I think
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:32 PM
Jul 2021

Taxpayers are supposed to do. Of course, her son helped her with the GFM. It's all the rage with the youngsters. Creative wealth management with what looks like a granny grift. What could go wrong?

Elessar Zappa

(15,815 posts)
28. This taxpayer
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jul 2021

wouldn’t mind paying so elderly people can keep and pass on their homes. I would have no problem whatsoever.

pnwmom

(109,536 posts)
29. That would be unfair to taxpayers who don't own homes.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:43 PM
Jul 2021

Medicaid lets you continue to live in your home till you die, even if you've spent all the value in it -- and that's good.

But I don't think Medicaid should also be a backdoor way of creating a sheltered asset for someone's adult children.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Unfortunately, neither Medicare or Medicaid is going to cover home care 24/7.
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:33 PM
Jul 2021

She might qualify for some intermittent care, but not around the clock. She can probably qualify for nursing home care when most of her money is gone, but that’s not appealing.

Don’t think that is going to change anytime soon, no matter which Party is in control.

choie

(4,465 posts)
8. I've mentioned that I assist older adults in applying
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:44 PM
Jul 2021

for benefits in NYC. In NY State, you can have up to $15,900 in assets and still be eligible for Medicaid Long Term Care. That doesn't count a house or a car. I did some research on Massachusetts and the maximum assets level is indeed $2,000 (not including a house or car). I am shocked that MA's level is so low, but it appears to be the case. So much for progressive Massachusetts.

JustAnotherGen

(33,445 posts)
14. Thank you for this
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:11 PM
Jul 2021

My mom is in Western NY (Rochester area) - it was a bear dealing with Medicare after her Covid Hospital Stay. She's beyond that asset level - but I wondered during that situation . . .

What does a senior do if they don't have kids to step in and help financially and/or physically?

Grasswire2

(13,702 posts)
9. Interesting
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:58 PM
Jul 2021

I wonder how my brother-in-law's visiting health aide was compensated. I thought it was Medicare. Perhaps it is a facet of an Advantage Plan. He had someone come to help with bathing and mobility issues, and someone else to do physical therapy to get him walking again. For a few months. He's 88, I think. Still living at home with wife and daughter in their paid-for house.

pnwmom

(109,536 posts)
10. You can qualify for Medicaid if you have few assets and your Social Security payment
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:09 PM
Jul 2021

and pension are inadequate. And the Medicaid payment can go to either a nursing home or to at-home care.

Grasswire2

(13,702 posts)
17. yes, but that's not the case here.
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:02 PM
Jul 2021

The home is paid for, in a nice suburb. Cars, antiques, furniture. Life insurance, burial plots, the whole shebang. I have to assume that a Medicare Advantage plan compensated the caregiver.

pnwmom

(109,536 posts)
18. She could reduce her equity in the home, if it's over the $906,000 limit, by getting a reverse
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:16 PM
Jul 2021

mortgage. And she could use that money to pay for her care till she runs out.

Medicaid isn't set up so people with million dollar homes can hang onto all their assets no matter how long they live or how much care they need. I think The UK's Guardian could have found a better example of the US system not working.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. Medicare will cover some intermittent care, but it doesn't go on forever. It helps people try to
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:13 PM
Jul 2021

stay at home, rather than a facility. It's the around-the-clock care that I don't think they cover, if they do it's not long.

Worse, home care is having problems finding care givers right now. Don't know if it's home health agencies/companies not willing to pay enough, or the government payment to agency is too low. Probably some of both.

pnwmom

(109,536 posts)
11. Medicaid does pay for in-home care in all 50 states.
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jul 2021

It can be used to help many seniors remain at home.

This part of the article is misleading:

Medicaid provides nursing home coverage if a person’s assets do not exceed $2,000, excluding a home, car and personal belongings.

Since she has a pension along with social security, Bernstein does not meet that threshold. She wants to avoid the fate of many seniors who spend down their assets to qualify for long-term care under Medicaid. That would mean bleeding out her savings, selling her home and becoming effectively destitute.


No one should be deterred from applying for Medicaid for nursing care, either in home or in a nursing home, because of the article. The problem appears to be that she doesn't want to spend down her other assets. And Massachusetts doesn't include your personal home among the assets, as long as you're living in it, so even her home isn't necessarily the problem, unless her "equity interest" in it is over $906K. If it is, she could get a reverse mortgage for the balance, and spend that down on her care, and then qualify for Medicaid.

https://www.medicaidplanningassistance.org/in-home-care/

https://www.medicaidplanningassistance.org/medicaid-eligibility-massachusetts/

What Defines “Assets”
Countable assets include cash, stocks, bonds, investments, IRAs, credit union, savings, and checking accounts, and real estate in which one does not reside. However, for the purposes of Medicaid eligibility, there are many assets that are considered exempt (non-countable). Exemptions include personal belongings, household furnishings, an automobile, irrevocable burial trusts, and one’s primary home (given specific circumstances are met). For the home to be exempt, the Medicaid applicant must either live in it or have “intent” to live in it, and his / her home equity interest must be no greater than $906,000 (in 2021). (Equity interest is not the same as the home’s value. Instead, it is the value of the home in which the Medicaid applicant owns). The home is also exempt, regardless of where the applicant resides or the applicant’s equity interest in the home, if a non-applicant spouse resides there.

RainCaster

(11,531 posts)
12. Because too much of eldercare was written by the GOP
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:23 PM
Jul 2021

I only wish all those bastards would have to experience it for themselves.

StClone

(11,869 posts)
13. Ah, the call for "public service" has raised my hackles for years
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:41 PM
Jul 2021

Big money's aim is to pay no taxes as they state "if you want it you pay for it" shift of the burden onto those of lesser income. Ever notice how for years, things which should be taken care of at a societal level are unfunded, or left undeveloped, and then there are calls for YOU to donate time, money, or expertise to ease the burden of people in need?

I have donated time and money and feel good in my efforts. But there are too many homeless, too many damaged vets, too many poor kids needing mentors for me and my colleagues to secure through volunteering. I am getting old, tired, and cynical now. We are a society where we kill wolves for fun, die to make the Libs cry, and attack what keeps us healthy (environment, vaccines, education, and gun control). Public service, I am all in but where is the end?

JustAnotherGen

(33,445 posts)
16. If they taxed SS beyond 137,500
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:13 PM
Jul 2021

We could afford to do more for her - we could give a lot of Seniors the care they need to remain independent.

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