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appalachiablue

(42,906 posts)
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 11:54 PM Feb 2023

Pathological Lying Could Finally Be Getting Attention as a Mental Disorder (George Santos)

- 'Pathological lying could finally be getting attention as a mental disorder.' CNN, Feb. 3, 2023. Ed.

When Timothy Levine set out to write a book about deception in 2016, he wanted to include a chapter on one of its most extreme forms: pathological lying. “I just couldn’t find any good research base on this,” said Levine, chair of the Dept. of Communication Studies at the Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham. Now, it seems it’s the only thing anyone wants to talk to him about. “Santos has brought more reporters to me in the last couple of weeks than probably in the last year,” Levine said. Santos, of course, is US Rep. George Santos, a Republican from Long Island who was recently elected to represent New York’s 3rd congressional district.

In the months since his election, key claims from Santos’ biography – including where he earned his college degree, his employment at Citigroup & Goldman Sachs, an animal rescue group he says he founded & his Jewish religious affiliation – have withered under the scrutiny of reporters & fact-checkers. Now, he says, he doesn’t have a college degree; he wasn’t employed by Citigroup or Goldman Sachs; & the IRS has no record of his animal rescue group. He also says he never claimed to be Jewish, but rather he was “Jew-ish.” Santos defended himself in media interviews in December, saying that the discrepancies were the result of résumé padding & poor word choices but that he was not a criminal or a fraud.

It’s not clear what is driving Santos’ statements. But the story has given professionals who study lying in its most extreme forms a rare moment to raise awareness about lying as a mental disorder – one they say has been largely neglected by doctors & therapists. “It is rare to find a public figure who lies so frequently in such verifiable ways,” says Christian Hart, a psychologist who directs the Human Deception Lab. at Texas Woman’s Univ. Psychiatrists have recognized pathological lying as a mental affliction since the late 1800s, yet experts say it has never been given serious attention, funding or real study. It doesn’t have its own diagnosis in the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, the bible of psychiatry.

Instead, it is recognized as a feature of other diagnoses, like personality disorders. As a result, there’s no evidence-based way to treat it, even though many pathological liars say they want help to stop.

The standard approach to treating lying relies on techniques borrowed from cognitive behavioral therapy, which emphasizes understanding & changing thinking patterns. But no one is sure that this is the most effective way to help. We don’t know necessarily what’s the most effective treatment,” said Drew Curtis, an assoc. professor of psychology at Angelo State Univ. in Texas who studies pathological lying. Longtime collaborators Curtis & Hart recently published a study laying out evidence to support the inclusion of pathological lying as a standalone diagnosis in the DSM. Over the years, Hart said, almost 20 people have proposed definitions of pathological lying, but there’s very little overlap between them: “The only truly common feature is that these people lie a lot.” - Most lying is normal. The first thing to know about pathological or compulsive lying is that it is rare, Levine says.

His studies show that most people tell the truth most of the time. “These really prolific liars are pretty unusual,” ...https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/03/health/santos-lying-disorder-wellness/index.html
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- 'New add to George Santos’s résumé: producer on Spider-Man musical,' The Guardian, Feb. 3, 2023,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/03/george-santos-producer-spider-man-musical

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Pathological Lying Could Finally Be Getting Attention as a Mental Disorder (George Santos) (Original Post) appalachiablue Feb 2023 OP
'many pathological liars say they want help to stop.' elleng Feb 2023 #1
What a joke. See #4 appalachiablue Feb 2023 #6
Yeah, that's the ticket ! eppur_se_muova Feb 2023 #2
See #4 appalachiablue Feb 2023 #5
Santos is not just a liar, there are also a lot of rule violations. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #3
Bingo, & very odd that sociopath was omitted entirely. I got the sense that nothing appalachiablue Feb 2023 #4
Yes most of Santos lies are connected to crimes or subterfuge for personal gain. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #7

Irish_Dem

(57,421 posts)
3. Santos is not just a liar, there are also a lot of rule violations.
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 04:05 AM
Feb 2023

He is a con artist, a sociopath, not just a liar.

appalachiablue

(42,906 posts)
4. Bingo, & very odd that sociopath was omitted entirely. I got the sense that nothing
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:02 AM
Feb 2023

will come of the efforts, the pros really aren't that into it. We've been at peak lying and sociopathic behavior esp. in business, for at least 20 years. CNN's article would have been more fitting in a humor section.

Irish_Dem

(57,421 posts)
7. Yes most of Santos lies are connected to crimes or subterfuge for personal gain.
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:42 AM
Feb 2023

That is not someone who is just inexplicably lying.

He is a basic conman and criminal.

I agree, article intent is to make Santos look harmless.

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