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debm55

(35,131 posts)
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:23 PM May 2024

A lack of understanding and kindness. I had described here the toxicity in my home. I last talked to my my mother on

her birthday. January 2. When I sent her a card with 50 dollars and called her. She neither called or sent me a card for my birthday feb 20 or my son anything on April 25. She said it got lost in the mail. Whatever. Yesterday after the news that my husband has malignant prostrate cancer. I called her. I was heartbroken and was crying. My mother's response was" when you got to die, you die, There is no use crying about it. like a child that has had their toy taken away. Even Jesus died. Don't you believe in Jesus? Stop that crying. Since the phone is on speaker so my sister and mother can hear mutual conversations.My sister states " I guess I'll have to pay for a taxi to take me for my check=up." Mother chimes in the same. These are the folks that had Rich and myself all last summer for my sister's "cancer" which wasn't. Back to call, she gives me a litany of relatives that have died from cancer and ends talking about the flies in her house. Never one frickin word about how Rich was feeling. let alone speak to him. Call ended with, "let us know how he does" Oh yes. my cousin bought her a strawberry pie and I heard how good it was. Nothing to say about Rich except if he is going to die. he'll die. I saw them for what they were when my Mother and sister and a group of relatives said my dad and I have a Jewish nose. Laugh, laugh. and she went bananas having me get the my rosary out of his hands. I guess it will be back to no contact. My husband is kind, will do anything you want. is smart and well educated, loving to me and our son. What selfish , useless people they are.

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A lack of understanding and kindness. I had described here the toxicity in my home. I last talked to my my mother on (Original Post) debm55 May 2024 OP
Sending love XanaDUer2 May 2024 #1
XanaDUer2. I would even put them in the malignant narcisstic grouping. But it is what it always was and is. My heart debm55 May 2024 #4
I am so sorry. Please stay away from them. They have absolutely nothing to offer you but pain and selfishness. MLAA May 2024 #21
I'm so sorry for what you and your sweetheart are going through. littlemissmartypants May 2024 #2
We here are all with you and your husband in spirit. raging moderate May 2024 #3
My husband is 73. I don't know what I would do if he wasn't here. debm55 May 2024 #8
that's horrifying. barbtries May 2024 #5
I'm sorry, come here and tell us about it anytime you feel like it Walleye May 2024 #6
In my thoughts..... AltairIV May 2024 #7
Now you folks have me crying for the love and support you have shown me. Thank you. I have therapist and a phycologist, debm55 May 2024 #11
Oh God I am sorry. Families can be the worst. Sending you love. Maraya1969 May 2024 #9
I am so sorry to hear about this brutal treatment of you and yours at the hands of your M and sister. SWBTATTReg May 2024 #10
Thank you. debm55 May 2024 #15
Damn, I'm so sorry you have these relatives. Biophilic May 2024 #12
I had a very narcistic mother - TBF May 2024 #13
Thank you for your kind words. debm55 May 2024 #16
So sorry to hear this debm55 RainCaster May 2024 #14
Thank you RainCaster, and I agree. I will go back to no contact. Her closing words were " you call me if something debm55 May 2024 #18
Ask the medical team for support Dear_Prudence May 2024 #17
Thank you very Dear_Prudence that is a great idea. debm55 May 2024 #19
"" AllaN01Bear May 2024 #20
You deserve better, much better Wild blueberry May 2024 #22
So very sad for you Avis May 2024 #23
OMG, whatever you do, Demobrat May 2024 #24
I'm sorry you have zero support from them. Bluethroughu May 2024 #25
I'm so sorry cate94 May 2024 #26
I've been watching stories similar to yours on Youtube... Archae May 2024 #27
All of my story is real--punched out baby teeth, black eyes. broken bones, sexual abuse by grandmother, called a " debm55 May 2024 #34
Oh, my dear Deb Wicked Blue May 2024 #36
Excise them like the human cancer they are . . . hatrack May 2024 #28
Huggggggs, Deb and Rich. Please, for the sake of yours and Rich's sanity niyad May 2024 #29
Those are terrible things to say... AmBlue May 2024 #30
I'm so sorry, debm55. area51 May 2024 #31
Please do not give them any more opportunities to hurt you. onecaliberal May 2024 #32
It's tough when you need support and family isn't capable of it Warpy May 2024 #33
K and R (no text) Stuart G May 2024 #35

XanaDUer2

(13,660 posts)
1. Sending love
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:31 PM
May 2024

They sound narcissistic as Hell.

Thinking of you and your husband. I couldn't imagine being spoken to like that

debm55

(35,131 posts)
4. XanaDUer2. I would even put them in the malignant narcisstic grouping. But it is what it always was and is. My heart
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:42 PM
May 2024

was breaking and I needed to talk to someone in person or on the phone. After the call, I went down the street and cried to my neighbors.They listened to me and let me get it out. It's odd about my sister. When she was sick, she spat a cookie at me and threw a can of ginger ale at me. I have been physically, sexually and emotional abused as a child. So this is nothing new to them. I should have known better.

MLAA

(18,570 posts)
21. I am so sorry. Please stay away from them. They have absolutely nothing to offer you but pain and selfishness.
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:08 PM
May 2024

Dear Deb55,

Let them figure out their own problems. I know you want them to give you a tenth of the care and support you’ve given them, but they don’t have it to give. I’m glad your neighbors were there for you as are your DU family

Those who have had experience facing cancer may be able to point you in the direction of a support group as can your Dr. 💗💗💗💗💗.

And come to us anytime!

littlemissmartypants

(25,172 posts)
2. I'm so sorry for what you and your sweetheart are going through.
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:39 PM
May 2024

I wish I had more comforting words to say. What I will say is that I had to cut my toxic family members completely out of my life. I have blocked them from texting and calling. The only communication that takes place is by necessity through email only.

I have a scheduled weekly phone call with one half sister who is such a narcissist she thanks me for checking on her, talks incessantly about herself and never once asks about how I might be doing. I often cancel every other week by email which helps. If I didn't call I'm afraid she might call the sheriff to check on me and I don't want her knowing a thing about me and my life because she is just plain evil.

Something to think about maybe. But I know that you already have so much.

Stay encouraged. You're strong. We love you. ❤️

raging moderate

(4,496 posts)
3. We here are all with you and your husband in spirit.
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:40 PM
May 2024

Last edited Wed May 15, 2024, 10:46 AM - Edit history (1)



Incidentally, my husband also has malignant prostate cancer. He has had it for many months. So far, not much change, although the doctor says he is too old for the usual treatments, at age 81. There are treatments for this, especially for men who are not quite that old. Also, maybe you could ask around and find the best treatments available. Hang in there, even though your family has emotional problems that prevent them from responding appropriately. I also speak from experience here. Since you can see these problems, you must have huge inner strength that will help you stand all this and show your husband the sympathy and help he needs. You can do it! Just do your best.

barbtries

(29,735 posts)
5. that's horrifying.
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:42 PM
May 2024

hateful, despicable conduct. they lost their love. i'm guessing it's constant right wing media content for them, possibly QAnon, but either way, they are a toxic brew and the very last thing you need at the moment. they don't deserve you, and you deserve much, much better, especially a functional support system as you go through a trying time in your life and in your home.

If you can, I think counseling could be really helpful for you at this time. An objective listener who actually cares. Stay in touch with DU as well.

I'm really sorry. what awful people. without love and empathy, how can any two people have a mutually beneficial relationship?

AltairIV

(643 posts)
7. In my thoughts.....
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:45 PM
May 2024

I hope you have friends and neighbors nearby who you can lean on for emotional support. I'm sorry your immediate family is operating with some "loose" screws but never forget your friends here on DU who will always listen and send you what ever support you need. Stay strong and let us know what we can do for you.

debm55

(35,131 posts)
11. Now you folks have me crying for the love and support you have shown me. Thank you. I have therapist and a phycologist,
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:49 PM
May 2024

I am going to see it I can see my therapist earlier.

SWBTATTReg

(24,011 posts)
10. I am so sorry to hear about this brutal treatment of you and yours at the hands of your M and sister.
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:47 PM
May 2024

We all know who the 'good' and 'kind' people are, and have know that for a long time, you ... and of course yours (your husband).

Be strong, be well, be the better person, and I know that this won't be a big challenge to you, being that you have proven yourself many times to us here on DU. You have bigger issues to fry, taking care of your husband and other numerous issues that will come up in his ongoing issues, care, etc. (and yourself, you need to take a timeout too).

These people (and I know that one of them is your Mom), I had issues w/ my Mom, and I had to cut her off cold turkey. She could be brutal to me and I finally got tired of it. Fortunately, others around me and my significant other were there for me.

Take care and wish your husband well for us.

Biophilic

(4,648 posts)
12. Damn, I'm so sorry you have these relatives.
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:49 PM
May 2024

You and your husband deserve better. Please know there are others of us out here thinking of you. Wish I could give you a big hug.

TBF

(34,131 posts)
13. I had a very narcistic mother -
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:50 PM
May 2024

and unfortunately sometimes that doesn't change. I tried for many years, but in the end I kind of gave up and only called occasionally. Thankfully other family members lived close to her and helped her in the hospice stage, and she was fairly well behaved when I did finally visit (although she was quite nasty to some other family members). There is just not much you can do with some people. If they are determined to be miserable they will be & it's always someone else's fault.

I'm so sorry about your husband's cancer and hoping for the best treatment possible so he can beat it!

RainCaster

(11,504 posts)
14. So sorry to hear this debm55
Tue May 14, 2024, 07:50 PM
May 2024

We're here for you. This is just the beginning of your husband's treatment process. There will be many ups and downs during this time, and we will be there for you.

debm55

(35,131 posts)
18. Thank you RainCaster, and I agree. I will go back to no contact. Her closing words were " you call me if something
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:04 PM
May 2024

happens I won't call you." and I the phone clicked off.

Dear_Prudence

(816 posts)
17. Ask the medical team for support
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:04 PM
May 2024

There may be organizations willing to provide support. The oncology medical team made referrals for me. I received months of meals for myself and my husband while I recovered from surgery. When I got overwhelmed, I was referred to a counseling program for cancer patients. This support has been very valuable. I am so sorry that your family is failing you, but we care and so do others in the broader community.

Wild blueberry

(7,169 posts)
22. You deserve better, much better
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:18 PM
May 2024

Your chosen family is full of love, kindness, respect, and acceptance.
Hold all that to your heart.
Sending a big hug

Avis

(153 posts)
23. So very sad for you
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:20 PM
May 2024

This is just so awful that this is going on. My husband has prostate cancer too... and I just hope you get the very best care. His is metastic and didn't have to be, so really hope they are giving you lots of scans and people that know about the latest, greatest treatments, not this "gold standard" stuff that is what we were given advice for. Fortunatley we got a different Dr. and he is very aggressive with how he treats it and for 5 years now mostly undectable. Came back again and once again he got it back to undetectable. Big decisions to make with treatment and I so hope you have good people helping. Tired of people like the ones you described that think it is no big deal, treat it like a big deal and find different opinions to make sure you are doing things right. Best wishes, shocking at first but so many things happening in prostate cancer that you can find hope in treating it. The treatments are stressful on everyone, you don't need these folks making life harder... I hope they change or you just can have some more supportive people around.

Demobrat

(9,736 posts)
24. OMG, whatever you do,
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:22 PM
May 2024

please don’t turn to those people for anything, ever again. They have shown you who they are. Believe them.


Bluethroughu

(5,687 posts)
25. I'm sorry you have zero support from them.
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:28 PM
May 2024

I'm sorry your husband has prostate cancer, my husband had a scare some years ago. He cut out any protein bars and estrogen food like grapfruit juice which was his fav., it shrunk his prostate in a month. Doctor couldn't believe it, but he didn't have cancer, just enlarged.

I hope your husband gets through this. I hope you know you have support here. And we all are sending healing vibes!

Archae

(46,762 posts)
27. I've been watching stories similar to yours on Youtube...
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:52 PM
May 2024

Some of those sound made up, maybe.

But hearing what your own relatives said, well, maybe most or even just about all of those stories really are true.

You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family.

I myself had 1rst stage prostate cancer, and it was treated successfully.

I'm quite honestly hopeful for Rich.
It always is really hard to lose close relations, my Mom died 3 years ago, and I still miss her so much.

Take care.

debm55

(35,131 posts)
34. All of my story is real--punched out baby teeth, black eyes. broken bones, sexual abuse by grandmother, called a "
Wed May 15, 2024, 08:55 PM
May 2024

Last edited Mon May 20, 2024, 09:26 PM - Edit history (1)

pimple faced whore" in front of my parents. I was strong and a survivor. I left at 18. I met Rich in September of 1978 and married in June of 1979. He loved me and I him. He was kind to me. He asked me earlier this evening if my family sent him a card . I said no. He was hurt and sad. I can't believe the all the things we both have done for him. that in our time of need is put aside. They used him. And now that he needs a card or flowers , that he is thrown aside. Rich has shown me more love then my parents were capable of ever giving to me. There ARE parents like that. I mine were and are. We are forever bond by a women who refused to seek help and referred to the Bible to say since I and Rich as the proxy , would be treated this way. My son is also in on the game as he is adopted they have always called him the "Bastard" and still do. I will again pray for my husband tonight..We are also blocking our phone from them. I f I came across as snarky I am very sorry. But there are abused children out there. Rich was abused as a child also. Thank you.

Wicked Blue

(6,607 posts)
36. Oh, my dear Deb
Mon May 20, 2024, 07:30 PM
May 2024

My heart breaks for you. You and Rich deserve so much better.

Those bio-relatives are cold-blooded and heartless.

We at DU love you and wish you both peace and healing.









hatrack

(60,730 posts)
28. Excise them like the human cancer they are . . .
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:54 PM
May 2024

What worthless excuses for people.

Cut. Them. Loose.

niyad

(119,545 posts)
29. Huggggggs, Deb and Rich. Please, for the sake of yours and Rich's sanity
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:57 PM
May 2024

and emotional well-being , STAY AWAY FROM YOUR SICK, TWISTED, TOXIC, HATEFUL Family. All they do is cause you pain and soul-crushing grief. You cannot fix them, and they are not going to change. One of the biggest lies and myths perpetrated on us is that of the happy, supportive, loving, ideal family. I know there are, indeed, such families, but I have encountered very few.

Please love and cherish yourself and your Rich, do not waste one minute or one atom if energy on the rest of them.

And KNOW that your DU family is here for both of you.

AmBlue

(3,433 posts)
30. Those are terrible things to say...
Tue May 14, 2024, 09:01 PM
May 2024

...to a daughter reeling from horrific health news. I am so sorry. You deserve so much better. Going forward, please insulate and protect yourself from exposure to that kind of negative, hurtful energy. Especially so you can save your strength for yourself and for your husband. She has shown her true self. You are justified to act accordingly.

I am sending love and healing light to you and your husband, and fervently hoping that he responds well to treatment. Hang in there!! We are here, anytime, and we care.


onecaliberal

(35,674 posts)
32. Please do not give them any more opportunities to hurt you.
Tue May 14, 2024, 09:23 PM
May 2024

You are entirely too good to share any vibes with them. I’m holding you and husband especially in light. Peaceful healing positive vibes to you.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
33. It's tough when you need support and family isn't capable of it
Tue May 14, 2024, 09:33 PM
May 2024

Been there, done that, went low contact for a long time until I realized where the problems were and was strong enugh to cope with them.

Some people just don't have it in them. If you don't have any other sources for support, the hospital can help, there are usually groups for people who are dealing with a partner's cancer. It's a safe place to talk.

While you're in crisis, birthday and Xmas ards can be it and I don't think anyone sane will fault you for that.

Good luck. There is support out there, just not always where Hallmark tells you it is.

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