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nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 02:00 AM Nov 2017

Roughly 10 yrs ago, 35 yrs of running away from my past caught up with me

And I haven't been able to move since.

So I had a shitty childhood ...abusive, 2 narcissistic parents who used me as a way to hurt each other and for their own sick amusement. Whenever I watch a documentary about the childhood of a serial killer, I can mentally tick off the home environment stuff and then wonder how the hell I made it.

My mental illness starting really blossoming in high school with self-harm, but up until then I had plenty of other red flags.

I did what lots of others do - I tried to become an over achiever...through high school, college and law school I took the maximum amount of credits, the hardest classes in addition to extra curricular activities, part time employment (that got me in trouble in law school), volunteering plus a slew of partying, skipping class (there was a sick thrill in showing up once a week and seeing if I could BS my way through), binge drinking, more self harm blackouts etc. I may have tried to over achieve, but my grades finally went to shit in law school. My personal relationships were chaos and self destructive. It was like if I kept moving, kept busy, nothing could stick to me ... I just had to keep building obstacles, walls, and keep running.

I met the man I would marry when I was in my last year of law school...and all that whirlwind of chaos: drinking, lying outlandish stories, harmful behavior - just stopped. He was like an instant calm. Not to say our first years were ok...hooo boy they were not. It wasn't until we had been together 3 yrs that I was diagnosed with depression and put on meds (that was in 2000 at age 28) that finally I was able to be a stable person.

Or so I thought...I replaced drinking and self harm with overeating (I now weigh over 400), and threw myself into advocacy work. I took on every case, gave 110% at least, working crazy hours, literally giving everything I had to anyone who asked. By 2007 I thought I was in my prime...director of my own program, in charge of interns, volunteers, grant writing, direct advocacy, speaking and educating all over the state. I easily worked 70-80 hrs a week. I loved it. It was killing me.

I was still running..trying to put as much between me and my childhood trauma as I could.

Then it all stopped hard. I was fired in Oct 2007 (my borderline personality disorder wasn't being treated and my moods were crazy. I was a great advocate to victims, great educator...horrible co-worker and employee because I just vented constantly - no boundaries). Then in August 2008 my grandpa died, Jan 2009 my husband and I had to make the decision to say goodbye to our eldest dog. That was devastating. A month later my grandma died (my grandparents were like parents to me...I was closer to them than my mom and dad so the loss of them just sucked the life out of me). 2010 I started a contract position I knew was going to be a bad decision (it was) but we needed the money and I needed to get back to work. And our other dog died. The job I had was a complete shit show and I spiraled deeper into depression. 2011 I finally found a therapist that I trusted and he has been doing his damnedest to help.

More shit happened after that ... we said goodbye to 2 more pets, my mom had major medical issues, my husband lost his job etc. But it was that kick off in Oct 2007 that started the reverse momentum. I could never get back in the race away from my past. I'd start and then another loss would knock me down.

And here I am...10 yrs later...no job since 2010, nearly agoraphobic, depressed, lost all interest in living. I have had my medications tinkered with but no good combination, my therapy visits are sporadic (only a few this year because shitty insurance), my husband of nearly 18 yrs still loves me and supports me (bless his heart).

I don't feel like me, haven't in so long. I still don't recognize this person who sleeps for days, who is afraid to leave the house, who can barely get one thing accomplished in a day. Compared to the me of my teens and early 30's, this is a stranger. I may have been self destructive and my life may have been chaotic...but at least I worked, I helped other people, I got out of the house, had a social life. But I feel like a physical weight has finally caught up with me and won't let go (there is a Japanese horror film that comes to mind).

How crazy is it to miss my most self destructive life...because at least I was feeling and doing things? I'm tapering off my meds..talked it over with my GP about trying to balance mood swings (off meds) with zombie like lethargy (on meds). It's a temporary solution until we get health insurance that will cover mental health visits. My health is going to shit...I barely leave the house and have become so sedentary that when I do go somewhere I am out of breath and over heated just walking from the car. I am so angry and frustrated ...so hardly to explain why my life just seems to have stopped.

Sorry this is so long, I'm just having one of those poor me moments. I just needed to write it out.

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Roughly 10 yrs ago, 35 yrs of running away from my past caught up with me (Original Post) nadine_mn Nov 2017 OP
I have no words . . . . but I hope you will find inner peace. Sophia4 Nov 2017 #1
Thank you...it helps to have a safe place. Nt nadine_mn Nov 2017 #4
We're with you. elleng Nov 2017 #2
Thank you nadine_mn Nov 2017 #3
I see many parallels MFM008 Nov 2017 #5
Your sig line! We lost our cat in 2016 nadine_mn Nov 2017 #6
Yes MFM008 Nov 2017 #8
Hugs up irisblue Nov 2017 #7
Thank you irisblue...you are always so kind and supportive nadine_mn Nov 2017 #9
Hugs Nadine. mahina Nov 2017 #10
What a life you have had -- and so many losses. I'm so sorry. pnwmom Nov 2017 #11
We do have a dog! And a cat who is precious. nadine_mn Nov 2017 #28
........ steve2470 Nov 2017 #12
nadine_mn, you show great courage to share your journey.. Permanut Nov 2017 #13
Nice vent! democratisphere Nov 2017 #14
Sweet Lady, Don't be Down on yourself dem in texas Nov 2017 #15
Thank you so much nadine_mn Nov 2017 #36
I've been where you are. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. I watch this video when I need BigBearJohn Nov 2017 #16
That must have taken a lot of courage to lay it all out like that. DFW Nov 2017 #17
Thank you. I'm sure your wife has seen strength nadine_mn Nov 2017 #27
You are an incredibly good person get the red out Nov 2017 #18
Thank you...it's so easy to forget nadine_mn Nov 2017 #26
Youve been through so much LiberalLoner Nov 2017 #19
Thank you.. you are so kind nadine_mn Nov 2017 #25
dont give up on finding the right meds. mopinko Nov 2017 #20
hey mo, how is Winston Churchill and your farm ? steve2470 Nov 2017 #21
biff is his usual awesome self. me? mopinko Nov 2017 #32
so sorry to hear about your sister steve2470 Nov 2017 #33
lots of air bnb around the city. mopinko Nov 2017 #35
As I write this..our cat is singing the song of his people nadine_mn Nov 2017 #24
maybe you could volunteer somewhere? mopinko Nov 2017 #34
I want to reach out to you here and bare my soul a bit to help you steve2470 Nov 2017 #22
I have had some type of therapy (court ordered when I was younger) nadine_mn Nov 2017 #23
It's so painful to think of all the little ones raised with cilla4progress Nov 2017 #30
Don't be embarassed about how slow therapy is.... steve2470 Nov 2017 #31
Recognizing your problem is a step toward managing and working towards healing. kimbutgar Nov 2017 #29
Thank you for sharing. So much in common with you cpamomfromtexas Nov 2017 #37
What's your goal? janterry Nov 2017 #38

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
6. Your sig line! We lost our cat in 2016
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 02:56 AM
Nov 2017

And knew our grand dame Lab mix at age 16 was going to leave us soon this year (she did in May) and wanted to bring in a new pet before she passed so our other dog Durango wouldn't be an only furface. We adopted our little bundle of kitty joy from a sanctuary (they take kitties from euthanasia lists) in April and he has given us so much love and so much joy!

He has been a blessing to our German shepherd who was heartbroken when Jazz died, and Charlie Cat has been the most loving and amazing cat anyone could ask for. All of our pets have been rescues...but you know they rescue us.

pnwmom

(109,532 posts)
11. What a life you have had -- and so many losses. I'm so sorry.
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 03:35 AM
Nov 2017

Forgive me if this is a deeply dumb suggestion, but since you are an animal person, I'm wondering if you have a dog at the moment. Having to meet a dog's needs-- even just going outside with it a few times a day -- could mean taking a few steps that you aren't taking at the moment.

And all anyone can do is take one step at a time.

I'm glad to hear you have a supportive husband. Sending both of you positive thoughts and prayers.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
28. We do have a dog! And a cat who is precious.
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:41 PM
Nov 2017

Our German shepherd is 12. Last year until this May, I was really involved in thecare of our eldest dog Jazz. I took her 2x a month to vet appointments for her acupuncture and laser therapy, I managed her diet and her massive amount of medication. And losing her this year (it was her time...she was ready) just wow...I miss her constantly. She was by my side 24/7 for months and now she's not. I kinda checked out and pulled away from our GSD. Not on purpose, of course he was going through his own mourning. Our rescue cat we adopted a month before Jazz passed has been our therapist...he checks in on us constantly with lots of cuddling and making sure we are not moping for long. He is very serious about snuggle with us. Our shepherd is finally starting to feel better and back to his goofy self...and he has been pretty obvious that it's time for me to start taking him for walks again.

I need to stop mourning what we lost and celebrate what we have.

Permanut

(6,615 posts)
13. nadine_mn, you show great courage to share your journey..
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 04:02 AM
Nov 2017

and your challenges. Thank you.

You didn't get where you are in a day, and you won't get anywhere else in a day. I'm a 23 year grateful member of Alcoholics Anonymous, brought about by facing some of the same challenges you have faced; so my world is colored heavily by the AA principles, and the serenity prayer. I take care of today, and wait until tomorrow to take care of tomorrow. One step at a time, one foot in front of the other.

That's how I have left the demons of my childhood behind. I have not walked in your shoes, and everyone is truly unique, Just sharing a little piece of my journey.

I know we can be anonymous here, but still, your willingness to share your life is remarkable. I'll be cheering hard for you, on or off of DU, and you will see that the DU community will as well. Best to you.

dem in texas

(2,681 posts)
15. Sweet Lady, Don't be Down on yourself
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 04:57 AM
Nov 2017

You have accomplished so much and you have people who love and care about you. Take care of your self and know that you are
are getting good vibes sent to you by the posters on DU.

Hugs, Hugs, Hugs.

BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
16. I've been where you are. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. I watch this video when I need
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 05:14 AM
Nov 2017

a pick-me-up

&t=12s

DFW

(56,439 posts)
17. That must have taken a lot of courage to lay it all out like that.
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 05:18 AM
Nov 2017

I hope it sustains you to find your way back out of the tunnel.

My wife has a friend in a somewhat similar situation. Her path to where she is was nowhere near the same, and she never married, but she's pretty much there. On meds, lethargic, off meds, she finds herself back in a mental institution within days. She's over 60 now. We don't see her ever getting out of her box. Here's hoping you do find your way out. It sounds like you have the smarts to do it. Finding the motivation is the greater task. You might just yet stumble upon it. My wife was a social worker all her life. She saw people in the deepest of dark places, and who yet crawled back to daylight. Some needed her help, and some actually managed it on their own. Not everyone will. It is important to remember that. But it CAN be done. That is the most important thing to remember.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
27. Thank you. I'm sure your wife has seen strength
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:33 PM
Nov 2017

Come from the unlikeliest of sources. Working with victims of domestic violence years, I was always amazed at how some people were able to pull themselves out of the darkest places.

I am hoping to find that strength...just a piece of it. Part of me knows I've been through the ugly stuff and I'm lucky to have support and love.

Thank you.

get the red out

(13,573 posts)
18. You are an incredibly good person
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 07:09 AM
Nov 2017

Remind yourself of that even though you will think it is a lie. You are a good and capable person who has gone through major shit, talk kind to yourself, the real lies we tell ourselves are that we are crap and don't have hope.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
26. Thank you...it's so easy to forget
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:30 PM
Nov 2017

That maybe I'm not so bad after all...I mean my dogs and cats have all loved me and they seem pretty smart. And my husband is pretty amazing.

LiberalLoner

(10,090 posts)
19. Youve been through so much
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 09:42 AM
Nov 2017

It’s a miracle you have survived.

You deserve to feel good inside about yourself and your life. I struggle with the leftover scars from a difficult childhood too and empathize.

I hope you will be able to find your way to loving and accepting yourself just as you are. Because only when you reach that place, will you have the power to make whatever changes you feel are best. But right now - just as you are - you are a worthy, precious soul who deserves to feel good inside.

Wishing you peace and happiness.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
25. Thank you.. you are so kind
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:28 PM
Nov 2017

Sometimes it's easy to get lost in depression but comments like yours and your support help more than you know

mopinko

(71,713 posts)
20. dont give up on finding the right meds.
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 12:52 PM
Nov 2017

tinkering isnt the same as searching bravely for the right combo. lethargy means they are not right for you. keep looking for one that works, and gives you more energy.

you are certainly not the first to replace booze, etc, w food. that can be just as disastrous as the booze. and again, this is the side effect of many psyche drugs and shows it is not one for you.

and not recognizing yourself? well, it is part of you, maybe as destructive as your earlier behavior. some of that is very valuable, but so is integrating your wounds and failings into your sense of yourself. natural to try to block it out, but self defeating in the long run.
fwiw, i didnt really come to grips w my relationship w my dad, an alcoholic, until i was in my 60's. it took a sort of accident that i ended up in a place where the good things he gave me were the stuff of my life. also took a recognition of my own failings to forgive him for his.

keep writing is my advice. post here if you like, or just keep it for yourself. but i think writing is one of the most powerful tools we naked apes have of coming to grips w ourselves.
also, i have to say, get a puppy.

honey. we are here.

mopinko

(71,713 posts)
32. biff is his usual awesome self. me?
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 10:20 PM
Nov 2017

good and bad. i lost my sister a couple weeks ago, and have been a bit adrift. grief is so very strange.
but fate brought me a puppy dog, and that helps a lot.

things are pretty boring here this time of year, which doesnt help. had a great thanksgiving, tho. family of choice filling the ugly void, and that makes such a difference.

how are you? how are things down there in fla?

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
33. so sorry to hear about your sister
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 10:23 PM
Nov 2017

I am roughly the same. My condo only had minor damage and that must be repaired by the HOA.

I loved my visit to Chicago and will definitely come back, but in a cheap hotel way out in the burbs. I can't do the hostel thing, I need my privacy. Glad Biff is awesome, I'll always remember him as "Winston Churchill"

mopinko

(71,713 posts)
35. lots of air bnb around the city.
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 10:31 PM
Nov 2017

many very affordable. thinking of doing that myself, tho i need to get some work done, finally, on the house.
meanwhile, i always have a place for a du buddy. lemme know.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
24. As I write this..our cat is singing the song of his people
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:27 PM
Nov 2017

Feed me!

If it weren't for the furry ones in my life things would be so much worse.

I'm trying to figure out who I am ... I was raised to believe I was basically the most evil being ever (thanks mom) and finally realizing that hey...there are people that suck more than I do has been weird. It's taking me too long to come to that.

All I want to do is to help people...to take away their pain and help them to feel better. But I can't do that until I get better...yet I feel worthless if I can't help and selfish for taking so long to get better.

Hoping 2018 means better insurance (my husband is getting hired full time instead of as a contractor) so I can try a different medication regime.

Thanks for responding and the hug

mopinko

(71,713 posts)
34. maybe you could volunteer somewhere?
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 10:29 PM
Nov 2017

not necessarily as a lawyer, maybe something simpler?
when my family blew apart i started volunteering w hospice. i got my bulldog certified as a therapy dog. it is pretty simple to take him around, and talk, and listen.
i volunteered on holidays, as nobody was around for me to spend them with. it really filled a screaming void. and it got me up and going when it would have felt better to curl into myself.

helping other people does do a lot for the feeling of being a not good person. but it isnt like having a job, where that feeling of obligation and often compromise can get heavy.

always available.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
22. I want to reach out to you here and bare my soul a bit to help you
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 06:57 PM
Nov 2017

I was a psychotherapist (mental health counselor and marriage and family therapist) for 20 years. Like you, I also came from an emotionally deprived background.

Please don't give up on therapy. Sometimes the first therapist is not the right therapist, with all due respect to your therapist. Therapy is like finding the right shoe. Nothing wrong with other shoes, but they don't fit exactly right. Therapy is the same way.

I would also recommend doing as much research as you can on your diagnoses. An informed patient/client is an empowered client.

Keep trying, you CAN get better, you must believe that. I've been in therapy off and on for 43 freaking years (obviously a lot of off-time) and I'm not giving up.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
23. I have had some type of therapy (court ordered when I was younger)
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:18 PM
Nov 2017

Most of my life. My therapist since 2011 is really wonderful. He is the first person to really understand how having a narcissistic mom has impacted my life. He really has opened my eyes to how much pain I have been in. I had one therapist tell me I didn't have friend making skills...that has stuck with me for 10 yrs.

I am embarrassed that I am taking so long to get better (I worry...and this is stupid but this is how I was trained to think... that it looks bad on him as a therapist that I'm not better) ... so I lie about how well I'm doing. Yeah, that's not helpful to me. Also I worry I bum people out when I tell them about my life...so I shut down (I didn't do well in group therapy...when I talked and people cried I quit talking).

I was raised to believe I was a horrible person (pretty sure some variant of how mean, how ugly, how awful, how selfish etc was said to me several times since the day I was born until this year when my mom cut off contact with me. I should have been the one to do it, but it's done so at least I no longer get daily calls or emails of why I suck).

Since January, insurance has been the obstacle to this isn't working either. Thank you for reaching out to me...it really means a lot to me. I know better mental health is a journey not a destination, but I feel like my train to health derailed over in Suckville.

cilla4progress

(25,855 posts)
30. It's so painful to think of all the little ones raised with
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 09:18 PM
Nov 2017

this hurt. I didn't bond well with my mother, but I know she loved me. Hugs.

I have struggled with therapy. As others have said here, like anything, it takes a good fit to make it work.

I have also seen people crawl out of that dark place. There is nothing more deserving of respect, in my opinion. The catslyst can come at a completely unexpected time from a surprising place. Staying open is a key.

I, too, have recently lost some beloved old pets. For the first time in 40 years, I am dogless. We will see how it goes. I do have some other pets, and find tending to their needs comforting. Including being outside in nature with them.

Keep us posted, and thanks for sharing.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
31. Don't be embarassed about how slow therapy is....
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 09:24 PM
Nov 2017

It usually is. For me, certainly.

Except for a few cases (great hypnotic subject and great hypnotherapist, EMDR, etc) therapy takes months and years. The deeper and more painful the problem(s), the longer it takes.

Just keep plugging away. Stay in touch here for support. We can't really do therapy with you, but at least you'll be supported and maybe inspired a bit.

cpamomfromtexas

(1,328 posts)
37. Thank you for sharing. So much in common with you
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 11:07 PM
Nov 2017

I wont detail just yet but it has taken me decades to deal with similar situation

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
38. What's your goal?
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:18 AM
Nov 2017

Last edited Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)

You know how to do this, it's one step at a time! First, you need a long term goal. It's okay to dream big. You're just writing down a goal.

Step one is the first step. What would that be?. You've written about therapists and meds - but not so much about what you can do today. Perhaps today, it's walking to the front yard and back (yes, I know that's small - but that's how steps work . One at a time.

If not the front yard, how about the back yard? Sit down right now and develop a realistic first step.

Write it down and keep a log. Did you do your first step today? If so - congratulations. If not, well, take a deep breath and maybe figure out what stopped you. Then wake up the next day and start over.

So, my question to you is what's your goal - and what's the very first (small) step.

-j

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