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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:53 PM Jul 2013

Lag screw question:

I've gotten a bee in my bonnet to get cookin' on a treehouse for the kiddo, the only measurable result of which so far has been the placement of a single 16-foot 2x12 in a monster tree. Which took me all day.

The idea, next, is to put up a second parallel 2x12, upon which I'll start building a small deck (maybe 8x10) and then erect small walls and put on a roof. Hooray, treehouse! But I've got a bit of a dilemma.

One end of each 2x12 I plan to bolt right into the tree, the other end I'll hang from a second bolt via a wire rope sling. This is a grand plan and will account for any tree movement between the two ends (which are on different sections of trunk). I've got the wire rope end nicely installed and it's rock solid.

The "right into the tree" end, however, well I had some trouble. Mostly because I was on a ladder, and I didn't wiggle my auger bit around much, and I didn't have a lot of room to swing my pipe wrench... the long and the short is, the lag screw ain't all the way in. And it ain't going any further.

Now, before you tell me I need to take it out and start again, let me add that it's a 1.25" diameter lag screw, and it's 15 inches long. I did manage to get about 8 inches of thread buried in the tree with a three foot pipe wrench, and the 2x12 sits out at most 3 inches from the bark. I'm thinking I could put some pipe in place, like a washer, to keep the 2x12 from moving side to side. And I'm thinking 8 inches of 1.25" screw in wood is an awful lot of strength.

But I have no idea how much strength that actually represents, and whether it's really enough. Any engineers out there today?

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ret5hd

(21,320 posts)
1. My god...how many elephants does your kid intend to keep in this treehouse???
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:20 AM
Jul 2013

You're good. Believe me, you're good. By orders of magnitude, you're good.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
2. Given you are driving the bolt into a tree
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 01:11 AM
Aug 2013

I would hesitate to say 15 inch long 1.25 'diameter just might be as the saying does a bit of an over kill !


I would worry more about the tree !

If you think you need more reinforcement ,than try moving ahead with that without further drilling into the tree. you will find the end result much more satisfying if you do !


Good luck with that. To yer question-I doubt you need to drive that lag in any further.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
4. Overkill?
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:08 PM
Aug 2013

I ain't yet begun to overkill!

I finally got up in the tree to drive the second bolt, I got that one in almost all the way since I had better footing and could sort of wiggle the auger bit around during the pre-drilling process and get the hole a bit bigger. Made the first few turns go a little easier, still was leaning on that 36" wrench by the end.

Overkill:

To account for the tiny bit of swaying I expect between the two trunks, one end of the beam is "pinned" with a bolt, and the other end -- the end I did today -- has a 3 ton (WLL) lifting link hanging off of it. From the link hangs a 2.4 ton turnbuckle, and from that turnbuckle hangs a 2.5 ton wire rope sling in bucket configuration, going down under the beam and back up into the turnbuckle, if you can imagine. I wanted the turnbuckle to be able to level this thing as it settles.

Next I'll do a second, parallel beam on the other side of these trunks the same way, which should put the two 16-foot 2x12s about three feet apart (big tree!). On top of those I'll plop a 10x8 deck, I'm thinking 2x8 joists and hangers, then start building walls and a roof.

Overkill? Oh, yeah. But it's pretty high up there, so I figure if it can't be safe, at least it's sturdy.

Brother Buzz

(37,797 posts)
3. Smart engineers will tell you to just wait and let the tree grow and fill in the space
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 10:03 PM
Aug 2013

By the time the kid is college, your whole engineering mess will have resolved itself.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
5. I know exactly one engineer joke.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:09 PM
Aug 2013

The optimist sees the glass half full; the pessimist half empty. The engineer says, "Clearly this glass was designed twice as big as it needed to be."

Brother Buzz

(37,797 posts)
6. My son just tagged a UCLA mechanical engineering scholarship
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 12:29 AM
Aug 2013

Now, it appears everyone I know knows exactly one engineering joke.

PS: This idiot with a lot of real world experience solving other idiot's problems would suggest lopping of the head of that lad screw, thread it, and throw a washer and nut on it to suck up the timber. Think hanger bolt on steroids. Simple, no?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. If it's truly a 1.25" shaft diameter lag bolt, you should have no problem.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 01:41 AM
Aug 2013

If I picture the situation correctly, you've got 4.5" of bold shaft extending from the trunk, 1.5 of which is the thickness of the two-by, plus the three inch space.

So you have a cantilever which may tend to bend the bolt under a heavy load.

If you can bring the 2x12 up against the bark, then you've reduced the moment arm of the cantilever and multiplied it's resistance to bending.

Is there a way you can encourage the 2x12 to meet the tree and get a spacer between it and the hex head of the lag?

I've got to say that I don't think I've ever seen larger than a 3/4" lag, good job in finding a monster fastener!

bodine

(1 post)
8. Status report
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 02:52 AM
Sep 2014

I realize this thread is over a year old, but this setup sounds quite close to mine and I'd like to know how things ended up. Can you post photos? or link to photos? I'm starting a treehouse project myself and I'm debating on how to support the platform. I'm leaning toward the TAB supports, which it sounds like you used. Any more information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

BobTheSubgenius

(11,789 posts)
9. A standard deck screw can withstand...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:51 PM
Sep 2014

...500 pounds of shear load. Even though the lag isn't all the way in, lowering its load capacity somewhat, your tree house isn't going anywhere.

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