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I'm a locksmith and safe technician: Ask me anything. (Original Post) SlimJimmy Oct 2022 OP
how many brown tree snakes live on guam? nt msongs Oct 2022 #1
Three. But they use Quickset locks. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #11
What's the best way to secure an entry door Pinback Oct 2022 #2
Use a deadbolt and then add a handle cover. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #9
Interesting. Thanks for the info. Any suggestions for making a patio slider door more secure . . . Journeyman Oct 2022 #15
The pincher mechanism is pretty good. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #19
Circular keys ? Tetrachloride Oct 2022 #3
Tubular locks are no more secure than the normal cam pinned ones, SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #5
And in some ways less secure thatdemguy Oct 2022 #6
That's true. No Coke machine in America is safe. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #12
I have a double cylinder deadbolt lock on a door, area51 Oct 2022 #4
Does it require a key on both the inside and outside locks? SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #7
What kind of locks do you have on your doors? 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2022 #8
I have all Schlage locks SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #10
Thanks! I have one of each and was told I can't rekey Phoenix61 Oct 2022 #16
Correct, you need to have the same brand lock to key alike. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #20
Thanks! 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2022 #18
I have been thinking of buying a gun safe, which is more secure an old style mechanical dial or doc03 Oct 2022 #13
My humble, yet professional opinion is that the mechanical lock is better. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #21
Thanks. nt doc03 Oct 2022 #29
I have a Diebold safe... ret5hd Oct 2022 #14
Diebold, Hamilton, and Liberty make the higher end safes and containers. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #22
best reset-able combination pad lock? Kali Oct 2022 #17
Personally, I use an outdoor SFIC keyed lock by Best. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #23
I was looking through my padlock collection and found this. It might work SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #26
This is for a gate that I need to be able to let people get through Kali Oct 2022 #30
I don't have any combo padlocks that are weatherproof in my collecton, but I found this on SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #31
been through a couple of those Kali Oct 2022 #32
That looks pretty good. You might also try looking at the SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #33
Does Lockpickinglawyer impress you as much as he impresses me? intrepidity Oct 2022 #24
Yes, He's pretty good. I peruse his stuff from time to tiime. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #25
And funny too: ret5hd Oct 2022 #34
Without giving away too much, he picked that lock very quickly. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #35
I've got some questions about "wafers" (?)* intrepidity Oct 2022 #27
Wafers (like in car door locks) are not the same for all maufacturers. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #28
Is a Marlin Safety Lock a gun lock? Marthe48 Jan 2023 #36
Honestly, I'm not sure. SlimJimmy Jan 2023 #37
I figured the name meant the lock ensures safety Marthe48 Jan 2023 #38
Yes,. Most gun locks have a cable on them SlimJimmy Jan 2023 #39
Are modern keyed cylinders backwards compatible from brand to brand? bucolic_frolic Jan 2023 #40
Modern keyed cylinders are not bacward SlimJimmy Jan 2023 #41

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
9. Use a deadbolt and then add a handle cover.
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 08:57 PM
Oct 2022

This will help to keep a would be thief from shimming open the lock or using a pry tool. Nothing is perfect, but this will help. Never rely on a latch alone, use a deadbolt.


Journeyman

(15,144 posts)
15. Interesting. Thanks for the info. Any suggestions for making a patio slider door more secure . . .
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 10:59 PM
Oct 2022

Presently, I have a lock with a pincer movement, two arms grab the frame from top and bottom. We could put a rod in the track, but are there better ways to secure it?

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
19. The pincher mechanism is pretty good.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 11:44 AM
Oct 2022

In the old days, we would drill a small hole where the door met the frame and put a metal dowel to secure it from the inside.


Tetrachloride

(8,447 posts)
3. Circular keys ?
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 08:27 PM
Oct 2022

Icebreaker:

A friend, decades ago, imported a door or lock mechanism with a circular (tubular ?) key. He believed it was safer, of course in part due to nobody in the north suburbs of Minneapolis would have ever seen one.

Comments ?

(a curiosity I have had on my mine since way back.)

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
5. Tubular locks are no more secure than the normal cam pinned ones,
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 08:37 PM
Oct 2022

like on your front door. I have a specialty pick I use for tubular locks.

thatdemguy

(522 posts)
6. And in some ways less secure
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 08:40 PM
Oct 2022

Thank you to the bic pen. Less skill is needed to open a tubular lock with a bic pen than to pick a normal key.

area51

(12,140 posts)
4. I have a double cylinder deadbolt lock on a door,
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 08:28 PM
Oct 2022

and on the inside part of the lock, the key turns but doesn't engage anything. On the outside, the key works just fine to engage the deadbolt.

Is it possible for a locksmith to fix the inside part of the lock, or will the entire lock have to be replaced? I appreciate your advice.

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
7. Does it require a key on both the inside and outside locks?
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 08:41 PM
Oct 2022

If so, then you talking about two separate locking mechanisms. One can be fixed/replaced. If the interior lock is a hand turn, then the entire lock might have to be replaced.

Sorry misread your post. Two keys mean two separate locking devices.

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
10. I have all Schlage locks
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 09:01 PM
Oct 2022

Medium cost but much better security than Quickset. I have an electronic lock on my front door, but it has a key override (in case the electronic lock fails)

Phoenix61

(17,642 posts)
16. Thanks! I have one of each and was told I can't rekey
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 11:09 PM
Oct 2022

one to match the other. If Schlage is better I’ll be replacing the Quickset. Two keys is an unnecessary complication.

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
20. Correct, you need to have the same brand lock to key alike.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 11:47 AM
Oct 2022

Mainly because they use a different key (keyway) and a different set of pins. So one will not work with the other.

doc03

(36,699 posts)
13. I have been thinking of buying a gun safe, which is more secure an old style mechanical dial or
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 09:49 PM
Oct 2022

an electronic lock.

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
21. My humble, yet professional opinion is that the mechanical lock is better.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 12:00 PM
Oct 2022

Actually, I just got home from retrofitting a mechanical lock on a gun safe that had an electronic Largard Basic lock on it. The reason is simple, they just don't fail, and they are more robust against brute force attacks. I have working locks at home from the late 30's and 40's that are still working perfectly. Although the electronic locks are good, they will fail at some point. Even the highly secure Kaba-Mas X-10 elctromechanical lock will fail, and at $1,400 a copy, that can be very expensive. The other thing I highly recommend is that you change the battery in an electronic lock once a year, and only use Duracell batteries.

ret5hd

(21,320 posts)
14. I have a Diebold safe...
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 10:10 PM
Oct 2022

I think it’s from about the ‘70’s.

It’s about a 3 foot cube, walls several inches thick.

It has some rating (forget the name) that supposedly you can insure $250,000 of contents.

It has time lockouts (whatever the technical term is…you can set it using a little key to absolutely not unlock till a set time period is up)

Everything is mechanical, no electronics.

I had it in a business I used to own.

Is a safe like this worth anything? If so where would I market it? I called a couple companies that sell safes but they weren’t interested.

On edit: everything works silky smooth.

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
22. Diebold, Hamilton, and Liberty make the higher end safes and containers.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 12:16 PM
Oct 2022

Most government safes are either Diebold or Hamilton. The older style Diebold safes were built to last and the fact that it is all mechanical is a plus. The usual place to market such a safe would be on E-Bay or some other similar site. Because it is a smaller safe, the value might be less than a standard business safe which resembles a short file cabinet in height. But, all safes that are in working order have value.

The Mercantile Safe Insurance Classification is probably the label you are referring to. They can be rated from B-K K being the highest classification.

K Burglar Resistive bearing the following labels:
Underwiter Laboratories inspected Torch and Tool Resisting Safe TRTL 60 Burglary.
Underwiter Laboratories inspected Torch, Explosive, and Tool Resisting Safe TXTL 60 Burglary.

Kali

(55,736 posts)
17. best reset-able combination pad lock?
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 11:29 PM
Oct 2022

not best as in security, best in lasting more than a freaking year. outdoors.

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
23. Personally, I use an outdoor SFIC keyed lock by Best.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 12:35 PM
Oct 2022

If you get the one that is SFIC Small Format Interchangeable Core, you can change the core and change the key very easily. (just like a combination)

Combination locks are just too easy to compromise.





SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
26. I was looking through my padlock collection and found this. It might work
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 01:57 PM
Oct 2022

for what you need. I had it on my gate for about a year and it held up quite well.

Kali

(55,736 posts)
30. This is for a gate that I need to be able to let people get through
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 04:34 PM
Oct 2022

And I don't want to be passing a key around. Also it's not anywhere near my house, so occasionally I just tell people over the phone what the combination is.

I change the combo 3 or 4 times per year. Again not for high security just to keep the general public slowed down and out of there.

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
33. That looks pretty good. You might also try looking at the
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 12:00 AM
Oct 2022

American Lock Company locks. They make a combination version. We (the government) use them in outdoor settings (the key version) and they hold up quite well.

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
35. Without giving away too much, he picked that lock very quickly.
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 09:01 PM
Oct 2022

Experience does count, and it does look like he set five pins.

intrepidity

(7,891 posts)
27. I've got some questions about "wafers" (?)*
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 02:51 PM
Oct 2022

from like a year ago when I fixed my car door lock. But I don't remember specifically what my questions were, lol. I think it had to do with how to buy them, but also about what material they are from, because I was cleaning the gunky parts and then lubing. And how specific or generic they are between mfgs. I think I was wondering if I could use the wafers from a Ford in a Toyota, that sort of thing.

Thanks for this thread; bookmarking and will revisit!

*I'm talking about those tiny, tiny parts that engage with the even tinier springs. Oh! That's another question: are those springs generic/universal, or everyone has their own specs?

How did you get into this line of work, and how much school/training was involved? I find it fascinating.

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
28. Wafers (like in car door locks) are not the same for all maufacturers.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 03:33 PM
Oct 2022

For example, most car locks that use wafers, use the double sided type, but not all. That's one reason why one size doesn't always fit. The same thing applies to the springs. BTW, I have a deep and abiding hate of wafers. Unless you use some type of light lubricant, they will fall out of the cam with no effort at all. One advantage though, I find them easier to pick than traditional pin tumbler locks.

I was a physical security specialist for the government, and as part of that job, was offered training as a locksmith. Once completed and after a few years experience, I moved on to safes. Training as a locksmith at an accredited in person school can be quite expensive. Typically from 6-10k when you add in food, travel, and lodging. I've paid (out of pocket) for my safe training, and it runs a bit more. Between school and equipment, I have about 60k invested. The problem is that there are only two nationally recognized in person schools (Lockmasters and MBA). But both are top notch.

Marthe48

(19,010 posts)
36. Is a Marlin Safety Lock a gun lock?
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 03:49 PM
Jan 2023

I ran across a small lock with keys in a box in my basement today. Thank you

Marthe48

(19,010 posts)
38. I figured the name meant the lock ensures safety
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 05:29 PM
Jan 2023

I googled it, but saw nothing like this. I saw small locks with cables for gun safety, thought maybe the lock I have is missing that. Thanks for the reply.

bucolic_frolic

(46,976 posts)
40. Are modern keyed cylinders backwards compatible from brand to brand?
Sun Jan 15, 2023, 07:47 PM
Jan 2023

Some manufacturers go out of business, but some day the cylinders need replacement.

Thanks

SlimJimmy

(3,250 posts)
41. Modern keyed cylinders are not bacward
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 07:23 AM
Jan 2023

Compatible with other manufacturers. Each manufacturer uses their own style of pins. Fortunately, most locksmiths keep a wide variety of pins on hand, so they can rekey most locks.

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