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everything to do after today are little tweaks thought of during the build.
This is not a product endorsement just observations Ms.MiHale and I had about the Quictent greenhouse thats getting quite popular in some gardening circles. Its only one of many similar poly-tunnel greenhouses meant for year-round use.
The reason for a greenhouse is kinda two-fold
increase the growing season by a couple/three months and as a wind break. The winds have been increasing in amount of days and velocity. Talking to people who enjoy the outdoors most have commented on the increase in wind the last 2-3 years. Last summer we were battered, the winds made confetti out of the snow peas and bush beans, lettuce was almost a no-go. But enough of the whining.
This photo is here only to show the extra material at the bottom of the GH for stability you can pile on bricks, rocks or simply bury the excess, that is what we chose to do.
Buried. This is the east side of the GH, winds primarily come from the westerly direction so Ms.MiHale is going to try some peas next to the structure as well as inside. Where the 4x4s are laying next to the straw is where the onions are going in and the potatoes are a little more easterly.
Complete with doors on. This is a 20x10x6 GH. we originally planned a 15x7x6 but with that size we had to leave out the plans for the hot tub. 😂
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Inside
were setting up for our first project in the GH, rehydrating a block of coco coir, the main ingredient of our soil recipe for filling the grow bags. Yesterday was not a bad day weather wise, not particularly sunny overcast at about 55 degrees. The temperature in the GH. rose quickly to 80 and maintained that temp even with the door propped open a little. The GH has a back door also which we are choosing not to use. Today we are going to try different layouts inside to see what we can fit the best. Already the tomatoes need to go out.
Will keep updating.
AllyCat
(17,218 posts)Emile
(30,781 posts)just never have pulled the trigger. This is much bigger than what I been looking at. Harbor Freight has one I really like https://www.harborfreight.com/6-ft-x-8-ft-greenhouse-47712.html but I hear it's a bear to put together?
MiHale
(10,891 posts)Many things could be improved upon directions being the first. Im giving Quictent a little break on some stuff this particular greenhouse is the first since the upgraded the original. But a very small break. Second, is the quality of the bolts, way too easy to round out the hole with a power tool. I had my drill turned down to the lowest torque and still rounded out a few. But its not a 1,000 dollars structure.
Were 70, retired this is our hobby and we have the time to take our time. The first house we actually bought was 15x7x6 poly tunnel by Vevor, its in the box still. Got it last fall, then watched YouTube videos on the best ways to reinforce the structure. Well, after all the extra stuff needed for that this house pops up at Amazon with most of the reinforcements included. The extra supports on top was the selling point that did it. Now weve gotta put the first one up for sale.
Research the heck outta the one you choose on YouTube. I mentioned our age only for one reason, in the comments section youll see people that have claimed to be the same age putting this together by themselves in as little as 4 hours. If I added up the time in a linear fashion Id say it took us a solid 8 hours with 2 people which you need for some steps.
They have you put certain parts together with the bolt and nut but not tightened down, then later you come around to that take the bolt out put in another part insert the bolt again through the original tubes adding an additional tube
lining up all those hole is challenging, to say it without the words actually used.
The directions give you a general idea of how to put it together but is woefully inadequate on details. But taking time and figuring it out isnt the worst thing. But it eventually all came together.
usonian
(14,600 posts)Happy gardening. May the critters and inclement weather stay away.
KS Toronado
(19,703 posts)MiHale
(10,891 posts)over dirt. Last fall I smothered an area where we wanted the house. This spring I leveled it then put the weed block down. Its more of a commercial strength tarp like material, not the fabric cloth some use in the garden around plants. Still very permeable.
Heres the post showing the ground preparation.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/115912204
Emile
(30,781 posts)BumRushDaShow
(144,197 posts)The heavy weight barrier does work pretty good (I have used it in some narrow strips although I have also put mulch on top of it and the weeds sprout in the mulch... lol).
MiHale
(10,891 posts)outdoor garden gotta laugh at that, theyre both outside. Its been there for a few years lotsa walking on and still hold up. Inside the house it should last pretty long.
judesedit
(4,518 posts)democrank
(11,250 posts)Enjoy!
MiHale
(10,891 posts)The smell alone will be worth it.
BumRushDaShow
(144,197 posts)and good job with it!
I know over the years, I have read many lamentations from those who constructed one and later wished they had "gone bigger" because they see a benefit and then jam it up.
Then they wish they had run electric out to it (for heaters and some kind of ventilation like an exhaust fan that turns on depending on the temp inside, etc).
I know the feeling about those days with winds (and all you need is one or two) that absolutely dehydrate and shred those veggies with fragile leaves.
I saw your link to your other thread and feel for you up there in the hinterlands.
MiHale
(10,891 posts)Its approximately 120 feet from the main house to the greenhouse, water hoses are enough to get in the way, so it looking like solar for the lighting, heat is interesting. Ventilation is not a problem there are screened windows and with our ordinary breezes fresh air will be no problem.
Early/late season heat is challenging, not even trying winter. Gonna experimenty with passive heating. I have a number of 5 gallon buckets filled with water and left to warm in the house they should maintain and radiate heat for at least a couple hours. Its gonna be worth a try.
The real heat if needed will be from a floor mount propane heater. I used to use one in my work truck years ago, heat exchange is amazing.
Hinterlands you make me laugh 😆.
BumRushDaShow
(144,197 posts)"above the 'thumb'" of the mitten, so...
Your 44 degrees latitude is "hinterlands" compared to my 40 degrees latitude.
You do have that big lake to moderate temps there though. I have seen some ideas where people would dig out some couple foot deep trenches and then put pots in them with some straw during those marginal "transition" temp times as the ground tends to keep a more constant, and often milder temp than air temp when it's frosty (similar practice to "heeling in" a plant). Then boards (and/or shelf units) could be placed over the trenches to cover them when doing regular summer growing. People who grow potted figs will do that too (put them in trenches) if they don't have a good winter storage location that doesn't go below about 25F - 30F, where 15F can kill the fig tissue if sustained.
MiHale
(10,891 posts)We core garden the beds that are built on a contained hugelkultur type bed. Wow thats a lot to digest.
The raised beds were filled with logs and limbs at bottom with straw packed between the wood pieces covered with a layer of composting leaves that layer is about 11-15 inches deep. Then that layer is covered with a layer of cardboard with more straw on top, finished with our soil mixture.
Over the course of a couple years the first layer decomposes so you have to add to the top layer.
We dig out a trench about 12- 15 inches deep fill with overwintered straw (its starting to break down) and irrigate heavily then backfill and water in some more. We add soil mixture to top things off. The core of straw not only generates a slight amount of heat but holds water so we dont have to top water as heavily. The original core is still a very slight heat engine helps thawing in the early spring. Our in ground gardens get the same straw core treatment.
That big ole body of water is 15 miles east of me. Its not unheard of to get weather from the east but most comes from the west, all depends on that circle of circulation.
Have a friend that lives across the bay in the thumb. He has a YouTube channel that we subscribe to its nice to be able to get advice from an expert thats in your same growing zone.
Check it out.
https://youtube.com/@MIgardener
BumRushDaShow
(144,197 posts)Read about that a long time ago. The composting process does generate some heat and that stabilizes the temp at the root zone. Some even actually do vermicomposting in trenches like that - https://www.redwormcomposting.com/worm-composting/5-great-reasons-to-use-vermicomposting-trenches-pits/
And thanks for the link to that channel.
I container garden with shrubs and perennials and I know my "rule of thumb" is to select plants that are rated for at least 1, or better, 2 or more Zones colder than my own since the pots are sitting above ground and stay out year round. That would be plants from your USDA Zone (I am in 7a).
MiHale
(10,891 posts)Hes good lots of area knowledge.
https://youtube.com/@TheMillennialGardener
BumRushDaShow
(144,197 posts)"Millennial Gardener".
First thing I looked for was his video for growing sweet potatoes from slips. I got some grow bags with front flaps this year and was thinking of trying it. Have seen it done a billion times but never got chance myself.
MiHale
(10,891 posts)Ms. MiH is trying sweets but I think we got started too late. Wed go right into the ground along side the other potatos. I support her but she makes me work
Rain all day today back at it tomorrow. 🤞
2naSalit
(93,437 posts)But I don't have a yard and it's SO windy here that it would not survive the first season.
Lotsa YouTube research on holding theses things down, its all an experiment, kinda. There are 24 trampoline stakes holding the frame to the ground. Not yet added is the tie downs that will go across the house which will be a diagonal run from front to back and then back again. The extra 4 inchs of material that they purposely put on the bottom edge is buried into the ground thats all to hold the cover down.
One person on YouTube living in Texas on a windswept landscape greenhouse held down as such survived 65 mph winds and she didnt bury the extra material just ground stapled down. Wind getting underneath and lifting the house up is the main concern, block that your are good to go.
Hopefully not like Dorothy.
spinbaby
(15,210 posts)I keep fantasizing about a greenhouse attached to the side of the house off the kitchen. Its a nice flat space with an eastern exposure, but when I talked to a contractor about adding a greenhouse/conservatory/sunroom type of room, it turned out that it would be devilishly impractical and expensive, so it remains a dream.
MiHale
(10,891 posts)For your information
I have absolutely no idea of the quality or practicality of either of these ran across them searching for the one I bought. I remembered them. 🤔.
Small houses that go up against the home. This link is to an adaption of a poly tunnel inexpensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Yardgrow-Greenhouse-Portable-Waterproof-Gardening/dp/B08QYNPCH6/ref=asc_df_B08QYNPCH6/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=563646983247&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15909906267734024642&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9017160&hvtargid=pla-1600641736057&gclid=CjwKCAjwrpOiBhBVEiwA_473dE0zEx1t9V5_fcDDi2dEOKSipAH8-3okZpht-dVgXeeGSxH5JZa-1xoCq9UQAvD_BwE&th=1
This is a poly-carbonate panel house. Moderately priced.
https://www.amazon.com/Outsunny-Aluminum-Polycarbonate-Greenhouse-Vegetables/dp/B08Q783R11/ref=psdc_11055931_t1_B08QYNPCH6?th=1
spinbaby
(15,210 posts)The only flat area with a good exposure is off the kitchen and faces the street. We cant hide a greenhouse around back because thats steep and shaded. I would have to build something presentable like a sunroom. There are significant obstaclesmainly gas and waterlines, but also low eaves requiring rearrangement of the roofline in that area. It will never happen, so Ive learned to be grateful for deep windowsills.
MiHale
(10,891 posts)Had a postage stamp piece of land we lived on years ago, some container tomatoes and peppers, then the herbs inside on the window sills. It was all good.