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Marigold

(204 posts)
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 09:39 AM Oct 11

My 6 Year old granddaughter asked why witches wear pointy hats

A little too dark to explain to a child, but we can see nothing changes in over 500 years.

So if you traveled back in time to the Middle Ages or the Renaissance and went to a market in England, you’d probably see an oddly familiar sight: women wearing tall, pointy hats. In many instances, they’d be standing in front of big cauldrons. But these women were no witches; they were brewers. They wore the tall, pointy hats so that their customers could see them in the crowded marketplace. They transported their brew in cauldrons. And those who sold their beer out of stores had cats not as demon familiars, but to keep mice away from the grain. Some argue that iconography we associate with witches, from the pointy hat to the cauldron, originated from women working as master brewers.

Just as women were establishing their foothold in the beer markets of England, Ireland and the rest of Europe, the Reformation began. The religious movement, which originated in the early 16th century, preached stricter gender norms and condemned witchcraft.
Male brewers saw an opportunity. To reduce their competition in the beer trade, some accused female brewers of being witches and using their cauldrons to brew up magic potions instead of booze.

Unfortunately, the rumors took hold. Over time, it became more dangerous for women to practice brewing and sell beer because they could be misidentified as witches. At the time, being accused of witchcraft wasn’t just a social faux pas; it could result in prosecution or a death sentence. Women accused of witchcraft were often ostracized in their communities, imprisoned or even killed.

Some men didn’t really believe that the women brewers were witches. However, many did believe that women shouldn’t be spending their time making beer. The process took time and dedication: hours to prepare the ale, sweep the floors clean and lift heavy bundles of rye and grain. If women couldn’t brew ale, they would have significantly more time at home to raise their children. In the 1500s some towns, such as Chester, England, actually made it illegal for most women to sell beer, worried that young alewives would grow up into old spinsters.

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My 6 Year old granddaughter asked why witches wear pointy hats (Original Post) Marigold Oct 11 OP
Better to fly on the broomstick................. Lovie777 Oct 11 #1
Wow ... rog Oct 11 #2
do you have a link to the full story rurallib Oct 11 #3
I found this from VICE progressoid Oct 11 #9
Yes, that is the original article Marigold Oct 11 #13
Thanks - that will put me in the spirit of the season rurallib Oct 11 #15
One of my fave YT channels is Tasting History TlalocW Oct 11 #22
Thanks! rurallib Oct 11 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Arne Oct 11 #4
Makes me wonder about the Wizard's hat. Arne Oct 11 #5
Very cool! Thank you! Scrivener7 Oct 11 #6
Now that is an interesting bit of history. Thank you. NNadir Oct 11 #7
They were the original 'Childless Cat Ladies'!! 70sEraVet Oct 11 #8
Leave it to the men to start a brewhaha. BattleRow Oct 11 #23
Another example of men trying to control women so they could have the benefit of the business. Tadpole Raisin Oct 11 #10
I always learn so much here! displacedvermoter Oct 11 #11
Here's To the Witches! Deep State Witch Oct 11 #12
Good for what ales ya! BattleRow Oct 11 #21
I'd tell her Otterdaemmerung Oct 11 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 11 #17
thats not the difference between ales and lagers.... getagrip_already Oct 11 #33
And here I thought they were early KKKlansmen KS Toronado Oct 11 #18
And all this time... rubbersole Oct 11 #19
Searching with Google scholar I found this interesting history of women brewing beer around Oxford, England mahina Oct 11 #20
Great article, Rec'd. Thanks! n/t SpankMe Oct 11 #25
Easy peas. Add your seach term and scholar.google.com mahina Oct 11 #31
That is so interesting. LoisB Oct 11 #24
I had read a story - probably aprocryphal TlalocW Oct 11 #26
I've seen some good memes lately on witches - TBF Oct 11 #27
Im sure that us correct. Figarosmom Oct 11 #32
"She turned me into a newt!" Marcuse Oct 11 #28
Interesting. Thank you. Been to Chester and did not here about that surfered Oct 11 #29
Thsnks for the history Figarosmom Oct 11 #30
My story and I'm sticking to it Dear_Prudence Oct 11 #34
Jesus, the misogyny is so wearying. Joinfortmill Oct 12 #35

rog

(742 posts)
2. Wow ...
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 09:45 AM
Oct 11

... that is an astounding bit of history. Thanks so much for posting this.

And yeah, nothing has changed.

Jeez.

Marigold

(204 posts)
13. Yes, that is the original article
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 10:40 AM
Oct 11

There are also theories that are connected to anti Quaker and anti semitism. I also read that women brewers would put a broomstick on their entrance door to indicate they were open for business.

TlalocW

(15,625 posts)
22. One of my fave YT channels is Tasting History
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 11:47 AM
Oct 11

The guy finds an old recipe, recreates it, and taste-tests it while giving a history lesson about the dish/time period. I recently watched one about a stew that dealt with the differences between inns, taverns, and alehouses, and he mentioned that it was often women running alehouses, which were just out of their own homes, and he talked about their hanging up a long stick over their doors to show they were open. He didn't tie it to witches though.

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Tadpole Raisin

(1,561 posts)
10. Another example of men trying to control women so they could have the benefit of the business.
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 10:09 AM
Oct 11

History rhymes.

But beyond that, I really enjoyed that information!! Thank you!

Otterdaemmerung

(100 posts)
16. I'd tell her
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 10:59 AM
Oct 11

that the reason a witch's hat is pointy is the same reason an umbrella is pointy: it helps shed the rain when they're flying on their brooms.

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getagrip_already

(17,449 posts)
33. thats not the difference between ales and lagers....
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 12:30 PM
Oct 11

It's the yeast and fermentation temps, not the hops.

The main difference between ale and lager lies in the type of yeast used during fermentation. Ales are made with top-fermenting yeasts that work at warmer temperatures, while lagers are made with bottom-fermenting yeasts that require colder temperatures for fermentation.


But they didn't know what yeast was. It was all natural yeast fermentation.

rubbersole

(8,534 posts)
19. And all this time...
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 11:19 AM
Oct 11

...I thought St Pauli Girl was a happy beer server. A republican image scrubber no doubt. 😏 🍻

mahina

(18,945 posts)
31. Easy peas. Add your seach term and scholar.google.com
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 12:17 PM
Oct 11

To find peer revieed hourbal articles on any topic. It is not comprehensive, but it is better than reading any random opinion and/ or hustle.

For medical research use the search term PubMed

Librarian taught me those things. Yay libraries. Yay librarians.

TlalocW

(15,625 posts)
26. I had read a story - probably aprocryphal
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 11:56 AM
Oct 11

About a man and his son walking home close to dusk when a small animal darted across their paths. They started throwing rocks and sticks at it as they chased it to the home of a woman some suspected of being a witch. The animal entered the house, and they saw it was a black cat. The next day, the woman appeared in the village, bruised and bandaged, confirming she was a witch who had transformed into a cat.

It doesn't take much imagination to see how the woman appearing in town in that state would get the tongues wagging, and if she were an ale wife, a male competitor would see his opportunity to get rid of some competition with a story, and once she was dealt with, the village folk would continue talking about her and how they always thought there was something strange about her.

TBF

(34,348 posts)
27. I've seen some good memes lately on witches -
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 12:00 PM
Oct 11

that they didn't really burn "witches", they burned women.

I think your history definitely accentuates that as well - women were getting uppity (in this case having the audacity to practice brewing & sell beer) - so men felt like it was time to put them in their place. History repeats itself ....

Figarosmom

(2,730 posts)
32. Im sure that us correct.
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 12:18 PM
Oct 11

Not just women but troublesome women. I'm sure many were lovers that became inconvenient or women other women didn't like ir whatever. Labeled a witch just to be rid of.

Figarosmom

(2,730 posts)
30. Thsnks for the history
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 12:14 PM
Oct 11

It's unfortunate the lies seem to stick in society instead of truth. I would have thought that as much as people liked the brew they would have protected the brewers I stead of vilifying

Dear_Prudence

(835 posts)
34. My story and I'm sticking to it
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 03:49 PM
Oct 11

In my childhood doll collection, I have a doll in national Welsh costume. She wears a tall black hat, not pointed but very tall. When my daughter was young, she got scared of witches. I showed her the doll, told her that her great granny was Welsh, (true), and that stupid people who don't like the Welsh made up the whole story of witches and told ugly stories about Welsh hats. My daughter was no longer afraid, since that tall black hat is our heritage. So, I have no references and no verification, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it! (Thank you for the factual tale, but I don't think it would have been as effective in soothing my daughter's fear. Good to know tho!)

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