Senate Democrats end marathon filibuster, announce Republicans agree to gun control vote

[Eugene]

Source: Washington Post

Senate Democrats end marathon filibuster, announce Republicans agree to gun control vote

By Karoun Demirjian June 16 at 4:00 AM

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) ended a blockade of the Senate floor after nearly 15 hours Thursday, announcing Republican leaders had agreed to hold votes on Democrat-backed measures to expand background checks and prevent suspected terrorists from acquiring guns.

Democrats were angling for votes on the two gun control measures, which they are presenting as amendments to a pending spending bill, demanding that it was the least the Senate could do to respond to the Orlando massacre that killed 49 last weekend.

“We still have to get from here to there, but we did not have that commitment when we started,” Murphy said early Thursday, crediting his filibuster with pressuring leaders to commit to the votes, though he noted there was “no guarantee that those amendments pass.”

The Democrats’ bid for votes on their preferred measures intensified Wednesday as efforts to strike a gun control compromise with Republicans frayed.

Early on Wednesday, Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) was in talks with a gun control advocacy organization backed by former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg to craft a measure that Republicans could live with to prevent terrorists from obtaining firearms.

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[JonathanRackham]

1. I hope it's well thought out.

Hope it's not Patriot Act III, another Bush style clusterfuck.

[Straw Man]

11. It's not.

Hope it's not Patriot Act III, another Bush style clusterfuck.

It is.

(B) ensure that terrorist watch list records are used in a manner that safeguards privacy and civil liberties protections, in accordance with requirements outlines in Homeland Security Presidential Directive 11 (dated August 27, 2004).

[Tortmaster]

2. Proud of the Democrats for ...

... pushing this. Enough is enough.

[Mary Mac]

3. hope all dems get back for vote.

And some repugs like Kirk

[Android3.14]

4. "craft a measure that Republicans could live with to prevent terrorists from obtaining firearms"

Oh, that's real white of you, Mitch.

[FailureToCommunicate]

5. Bless his shriveled heart.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. Punxatawney Pat emerges from his bunker at election time

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Republicans can read polls too

Holding their feet to the fire is the only way to motivate them to do anything

The public is sensing that a hard line against gun control is suddenly soft on terrorism

But guys like Toomey may be let off the hook on this issue, he appears to be
doing something

Too bad the blockade didn't run to election day

Now that the perps are moving in the right direction, how about a filibuster
on some of President Obama's federal judiciary nominees?

Can we repeat this successful filibuster before November?

[spanzini]

7. More ineffectual nonsense from the incrementalist party.

We need an assault weapons ban. Of course, they can't fight that fight because some of the Democrats won't vote to ban assault weapons.
Better to be ineffectual.

[mountain grammy]

8. "craft a measure Republicans can live with"

while people are dying. But, by all means, make sure they can "live with" it.

[Javaman]

9. In other news...

repukes vote along party lines. ergo: lining their pockets with NRA money.

[gejohnston]

10. Like this will really do anything

other than doing to fifth and second amendment what Bush did to the fourth amendment after 9-11. Add this to the jackasses who blamed all Christians for the act of one Muslim. How well does this play to the middle in November? I predict not very well for us.
This guy says it much better than I could.

[Eleanors38]

12. What a moment! Democrats join in a game of 5th Amendment kickball...

I Knew there was something worthwhile about BushCo's leavings... er, legacy.

[sarisataka]

13. Isn't it wonderful

Democrats and Republicans coming together with Bloomberg to decide how to expand Bush's extra judicial curtailment of rights.

That due process stuff was so 18th century. If Only the founders could have seen what our society would look like now, they never would have it included that junk. Taking people to court is far too burdensome on the government.

[gejohnston]

14. Manshin needs to be primaried and replaced by a real liberal.

I expect this kind of shit from the Trump Fan Club, but not us.

https://ethicsalarms.com/2016/06/16/ethics-observations-on-the-unethical-quote-of-the-week-by-senator-joe-manshin-d-wv/

[friendly_iconoclast]

16. There's video of that: "Due process is what's killing us right now"

[ailsagirl]

15. kick

[jimmy the one]

17. plan B, assault rifle semi ban

emocrats were angling for votes on the two gun control measures, which they are presenting as amendments to a pending spending bill, demanding that it was the least the Senate could do to respond to the Orlando massacre that killed 49 last weekend.

What Dems might do if (& presuming) both these efforts fail due to republican obstructionism via the gun lobby, is to create an 'assault weapons ban' for those on a terrorist watch list.
That is to say, if not a total gun ban for them, at least ban those on a terrorist watch list from being able to buy assault rifles such as the sig mcx or the AR15, These both use a low weight 0.223 or the similar nato round which are so light they blunt rifle recoil so as to make shooting more accurate as the rifle needs not be re-aimed as much after firing shots, as do bullets with heavier weight & larger calibers.
These assault rifles using these low weight bullets are 'en vogue' for mass shootings due the same reasons soldiers like them - can carry more bullets, light recoil, & higher accuracy & lethality. At least they wouldn't be able to get assault rifles, while still being able to exercise their (barf) 2nd Amendment rkba.

Also, the nra is fos when saying a ban on all those formerly on a terrorist watch list (as recent orlando shooter) might not be deterred by a ban on those currently on a terrorist watch list. Some 'formerly's' indeed would be deterred, as there would be a 'threat' of being identified as having once been on a terrorist watch list, and this in itself would inhibit many of those people from even desiring to try to purchase a gun, for either an irrational fear of being reported to cops & quickly arrested, or being exposed by the gun dealer to the community he lives in, iow paranoia.
As far as 'law abiding americans' being prohibited from buying a gun if they are accidentally on a terrorist watch list ban, the gun lobby makes the absurd conclusion that all of these people would even want to buy a gun. Most likely would not even want to buy a gun, unless they were truly terroristic of course.
Most all of the rest should not complain severely about being accidentally put on one since they could simply go to sheriff or authority & provide proof that they are legal beagles, and weighing the positive benefits from a terrorist watch list a true citizen should understand. True terrorists generally could not do this.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

18. read the new rules

I wouldn't be calling anyone an "emocrat".