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Related: About this forumAmmunition imports shoot up nearly 50%
Ammunition imports rose 48.9% in the 12 months ended May 2016, according to a report from Panjiva, a research company that tracks global trade by compiling data from bills of lading. Panjiva research analyst Chris Rogers, who is based in London, said the top countries of origin were Italy, Peru, Serbia, South Korea and Spain, in that order. "What's surprising is how diverse the production base actually is," he said. "It's actually a global business."
Panjiva said the top exporter was an Italian ammunition company called Fiocchi Munizioni, based near Milan. The second biggest exporter to the U.S. was a Peruvian ammunition manufacturer called Industrial Surquillo, based in Lima. The third, Prvi Partizan, is Serbian. Italy, home to the gun maker Beretta, has a thriving gun industry. Of the top 10 companies exporting ammunition to the U.S., six of them were Italian.
The Panjiva report on ammo imports only counts shipping. It does not include any ammo trucked into the country. The increase in bullet imports is being driven by Americans' desire for guns, which has increased dramatically along with a relentless series of mass shootings and an ongoing push for more gun control. "Firearms sales are very healthy and ranges are reporting they are busier than ever," said Michael Bazinet, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the gun industry group. "So, demand for ammunition is brisk."
The surge in gun purchases started in 2012, with the mass shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. Since then, background checks conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation have hit record levels as lawmakers in some states pass more restrictive gun control laws. Gun owners and retailers ran into ammo shortages in the months following the Newtown massacre. The .223 ammo used in assault rifles and the once-ubiquitous .22 ammo popular with target shooting, or plinking, became particularly hard to find. But the imports seem to have helped alleviate the shortage. "Ammunition shortages at this point are on a spot basis, not national," said Bazinet, whose organization is based in Newtown.
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This story can't be right. I keep hearing that fewer people than ever own guns.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,515 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)ammunition and magazines will be hot sellers
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)Think about it, state line gun shops.... after all LA is only about 200 miles give or take a few, from the state line..
Like fireworks stands back east, and beer joints, just across the line from a "dry" county..
Where there's demand, there will be supply..
Time is now to get in on the ground floor!
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)...in the United States, 1972-2014.
http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)it will probably drop to the 1950s levels. It is also one of the few polls that say that, it is also about the only one that does face to face interviews. There is also an increasing trend in lying to pollsters.
is claimed there is a decrease in firearm ownership, than why is there such a push for gun control? why not just wait and let it peter out?
benEzra
(12,148 posts)because it is structured to undercount gun ownership. It is non-anonymous, face to face, and IIRC is run out of Chicago by an organization that isn't friendly to gun ownership.
If a fundamentalist Baptist university had conducted a non-anonymous, face to face survey on sexual issues in the 1950s, would you take it as valid data with regard to the percentage of GLBT's in the population at that time? Because that is what you are doing when you try to assess gun ownership via the GSS methodology.
Anonymous surveys conducted by other organizations have consistently shown gun ownership to much higher than the non-anonymous self-reported totals in the GSS, and for good reason.
Even anonymous polls are subject to underreporting when the climate turns hostile (look at the drop from "54%" to "40%" in the two years after the gun control lobby passed the Feinstein non-ban and were openly talking about Brady II and confiscation). But the NORC GSS approach maximizes it.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)We'll have to see if the bump up at the end of the Gallup signals a new upward trend or is just an outlier. The chart was pretty flat up til that point.
I'd put more confidence in a poll that does face-to-face interviews. As far as intentionally intimidating the respondents, why bother? Just cook the books -- it won't leave behind a broad trail of pissed-off pollees.
If respondents are so shamed by society about having guns they lie about it, that looks like progress to some of us.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)it would seem the "shaming" is the end in itself. (In culture wars the "promise of punishment... is the sweetest of moral pleasures" -- attrib. A. Huxley). But even here, this pleasure principle is misplaced. Survey responders are moved to privacy not by shame, but by continued insistence by the elites of prohibition that they do in fact "want your guns." So it's not shame, just prudence.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)We're trying to marginalize companies (and the people who support them) who use ad campaigns that appeal to people with unhealthy fixations on violence to sell weapons like this:
A weapon which was used to murder 49 people and injure another 53.
Straw Man
(6,782 posts)A weapon which was used to murder 49 people and injure another 53.
This one killed 87:
You're not going to "marginalize" anyone. All the moral posturing just drives the wedge deeper, creating more Republicans and selling more guns.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I bet I could do the opposite if I was not on my phone right now
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Straw Man
(6,782 posts)That it's all about the ads?
beevul
(12,194 posts)Sure you are. You don't even know factually, that the ads were seen by anyone that committed violence.
Thin gruel, even for a gun ban supporter.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)How's it working?
benEzra
(12,148 posts)with fundamentalist zealots who want to coerce me into living by their beliefs. When dealing with people who think putting a protruding handgrip on a lawfully owned target rifle is morally equivalent to rape, or that owning an 11-round magazine is morally equivalent to child molestation and worse than vehicular manslaughter, the answer is "no".
If you think society outside of the corporate media and a few urban enclaves is "shaming" us about owning guns, though, then you probably need to get out more. Geographically, the vast majority of the United States is strongly pro-choice on gun ownership.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)LOL, around here, it is viewed as shameful to NOT have a gun..
That will not change anytime soon.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)They do not need to know I have firearms, I prefer my privacy on certain things.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)nearly duplicate increased numbers among women, and self-described Democrats, making these demographics the fastest growing groups among gun-owners.
There is at least one state which requires registration of the gun OWNER, not merely the gun. It has shown sharp increases in the number of gun-owners. I think this is Ohio. Unless the state has a peculiar Saturn-like spin on American gun culture, this would indicate a significant increase in the number of gun-owners.
benEzra
(12,148 posts)which requires a Firearm Owner Identification Card in order to purchase any gun.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Guns aren't registered individually, but you must show a valid FOID card to handle or buy guns or ammunition.
But I'm sure Illinois must be an anomaly with all those new gun owners in less than 3 years. After all gun owners are dwindling away.
Every gun control paid survey says so, so it must be true.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)...I strongly recommend that you do a bit of research and get some historical context which might make you look at the numbers in a new light. I'm not going to say what I found because it's out there, accessible to everyone -- I just don't want to get into an endless yadda-yadda over minutia with these guys.
Of course you could ask them directly.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Your made up facts are impossible to refute
DonP
(6,185 posts)Here are the actual Illinois numbers through 2015 and the Illinois State Police projections YTD for 2016.
Note the trend to "fewer" gun owners in Illinois every year?
Active FOID Card holders
2009 - 1,260,521
2010 - 1,315,691
2011 - 1,394,245
2012 - 1,475,534
2013 - 1,682,245
2014 - 1,745,862
2015 - 1,954,781
2016 - Projected to be over 2 million, based on 1st quarter completed and approved applications.
But if you have any doubts, feel free to go to the Illinois State Police website, just use your Illinois Certified Concealed Carry Instructor license number and get all the information you want.
sarisataka
(21,211 posts)Need ammo for all those guns the two of them are buying...