Interesting article about concealed carry holders.

[Waldorf]

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/report-finds-these-gun-owners-are-least-likely-criminals-17355

Concealed-carry permit holders are nearly the most law-abiding demographic of Americans, a new report by the Crime Prevention Research Center says—comparing the permit holders foremost with police.

“Indeed, it is impossible to think of any other group in the U.S. that is anywhere near as law-abiding,” says the report, titled “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States 2016.”

From 2007 through 2015, permits issued by state and local governments increased by 215 percent, to more than 14 million Americans, according to the data.

[whatthehey]

1. Well it's likely true, but not likely new info

I'm fine with the idea of concealed carry, but the whole point of it is to make sure applicants are squeaky clean, with rejections often for very minor issues including the subjective opinion of neighbors. While some squeaky clean people, CC permit holders included, suddenly decide to commit crimes, essentially what these data show is "people who have been checked to make sure they have committed no infractions unlikely to commit infractions".

[JonathanRackham]

2. CCW is a mixed bag of laws. Different every state.

Training and background checks should be nationally standardized. A CCW in Florida is not the same as that in say NY. Once standardization is established then national reciprocity could be permitted.

[Eleanors38]

3. This comports with findings over the last 30 years.

[ileus]

4. Worst offenders are CHP holders that "forget" a gun in their luggage.

[DonP]

5. In Chicago that usually means a politician

Representative Donne Trotter and a few others "forgot" their guns were in their carry on luggage at Midway over the past few years.

Then, when TSA was confiscating it, he got all pissy about it.

You know the laws don't apply to them the way they do to us.

[pablo_marmol]

6. So no rivers of blood in the streets?

Well damn. Just..........DAMN!

[DonP]

7. Now they've shifted to whining about campus carry

Now the refrain is something like; "Blood will run in the halls of the math department" ... with a dash of "Lovejoying", "Think of the children" thrown is for flavor.

I've seen all the same arguments we heard over CCW from the same suspects.

All ignoring the actual experience of the states where it's been allowed for years.

Nothing new here. The Grabnutz don't have much of an imagination or creativity when it comes right down to it.

[beevul]

8. How many actual children...

How many actual children occupy or inhabit college classrooms?

No, not "someones Offspring", anti-gun equivocationists. I mean non-adults as most people imagine when they hear the word, and as any lovejoy is meant to imply.

[DonP]

9. They kinda breeze by the 21 year old requirements

Much easier to try and create a moral panic among the ignorant by referring to the "children" and recounting and projecting tales of their own nostalgic days of binge drinking and drug use, as some kind of proof of the immaturity of gun owners.

My son has a permit, after 5 years in the Army with 3 tours to Iraq and Afghanistan. Not too worried about his behavior on or off campus. Lot's of carriers are veterans using their GI Bill benefits.

That's the really silly part. The professor walks across the street to Starbuck's, stands in a line with 1 or 2 concealed carriers behind them and never thinks twice about it. Cross back to the quad and those same people somehow suddenly become "dangerous lunatics that could snap at any second or threaten them for a better grade".

It's a total reprise of the "Blood in the Streets" manufactured hysteria ... that none of the Grabnutz wants to discuss any more.

[Duckhunter935]

11. Question for you

Is anyone still alive in Georgia? I was told many times the streets would be red with blood.

[Duckhunter935]

10. One of our favorite hosts

Is complaining about hosts abusing the locking of gun related posts in GD. Check out ATA, talk about rank hypocrisy Skinner once again set him straight

[sarisataka]

12. If only there was

A gun control group he could have posted in...

[Duckhunter935]

13. There has to be at least ONE

Mmmmmmmmmmm

[pablo_marmol]

14. The ONE is hard to find........

........when one lacks the courage and character to confront one's biases.

[Duckhunter935]

15. I wonder what type of group he hosts?

Just curious

[pablo_marmol]

16. The 'Intellectually Incurious' forum, I believe. NT

[Duckhunter935]

17. Lol. nt

[beevul]

18. Do you get the impression...

Do you get the impression, that that one feels that rules are for everyone else?

I sure do.

[Duckhunter935]

19. Yes I do. nt

[DonP]

20. Key Grabber Religious Tenet - "End justify the means"

As long as it takes evil guns away, it's OK to lie, cook the books, ignore the law and legal system, (whine at Skinner) or do anything to take away or control guns and our right to even discuss them.

"Besides, all those stupid evil gun owners don't know what's best for them. After all, we are obviously morally and intellectually superior to them, so we get to decide what's for the "greater good".

[jimmy the one]

21. Lotta baloney, CPRC founded by john lott

Concealed-carry permit holders are nearly the most law-abiding demographic of Americans, a new report by the Crime Prevention Research Center says

wiki: As of 2016, {John Lott/Mary Rosh} is a columnist for FoxNews.com and the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, a nonprofit he founded in 2013

Pro-gun groups like the Crime Prevention Research Center have also attempted to link the rise of concealed carry laws in states with a decline in violent crime.
What The Evidence Shows: Concealed Carry Laws Are Linked to Higher Violent Crime Rates. Research indicates that more permissive concealed carry laws are linked with higher rates of violent crime, not lower rates, and that many people with concealed carry permits are not “good guys with guns.”
https://publichealthwatch.wordpress.com/2015/04/04/new-harvard-research-debunks-gun-lobbys-favorite-talking-points/

Lott, a contributor to FoxNews.com, will testify before an October 29 {2013} Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the controversial "Stand Your Ground" self-defense law while representing his new organization Crime Prevention Research Center
n his October 26 appearance on CNN's New Day Saturday, Lott made untrue charges on background checks that are characteristic of his work. He often advocates for weaker gun laws by manipulating statistics about firearms and by touting his discredited research that purports to prove looser rules concerning the carrying of guns in public reduces crime.
But Lott's claim about false positives relies on the mistaken assumption that every person who is denied a gun purchase but not successfully prosecuted by the federal government for lying on the background check form was actually legally allowed to purchase a firearm. This claim also ignores state-level prosecutions for criminals who attempt to obtain firearms and that.. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/28/gun-researcher-john-lott-offers-false-firearm-s/196621

To the schmucks who fell for this OP's baloney hook line & sinker, pfffffttttttt.

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. Genetic fallacy. Feel free to counter the OP's assertions with verifiable data.

I'll even provide you some sources to get stated with:

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/demographics.htm

http://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm