Utah Restaurant Staff to Stop Open-Carrying Guns After Move

[Eugene]

Source: Associated Press

Utah Restaurant Staff to Stop Open-Carrying Guns After Move

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS OGDEN, Utah — Aug 20, 2016, 7:04 PM ET

A Utah restaurant known for kilt-clad servers who openly carry firearms will have to keep them under wraps starting this week.

The staff at Sea Bears Ogden Fish House can only carry concealed weapons now that the eatery has relocated to the city's historic Union Station.

Officials with the Union Station Foundation are not allowing open carry of firearms, the Standard-Examiner of Ogden reported ( http://bit.ly/2bKqljM ). Initially, the contract that foundation executive Elizabeth Sutton negotiated with Sea Bears permitted open-carry but with conditions. They included owners and wait staff with firearms had to have undergone safety classes and background checks. Also, weapons had to be in holsters and guns could not be longer than 12 inches. All weapons could not be permitted outside of the restaurant in other parts of Union Station.

The Union Station Foundation, however, received complaints that Sea Bears would retain its open-carry policy. As a result, Sutton exercised a provision that Union Station could ban open-carry altogether if the subject became an issue.

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Source: Standard-Examiner

No open-carry guns will be allowed in Sea Bears at Union Station

SATURDAY , AUGUST 20, 2016 - 5:30 AM

Mark Saal
Columnist

OGDEN — I’ll have the fish and chips — and hold the holster.

Sea Bears Ogden Fish House, which made headlines earlier this spring for the restaurant’s practice of being an “open-carry” business, may be putting away the guns. Or, at the very least, concealing them.

For more than a year now, owners, employees and patrons of the restaurant at 2550 Washington Blvd. have been invited to open-carry the firearm of their choice in the establishment. But with the recent announcement Sea Bears is relocating to the former site of Union Grill, Ogden’s Union Station officials now say they won’t permit openly carrying a gun there.

"In this day and age, to see somebody carrying in public, you don't know right away if it's friendly or scary," Sutton said. "So, to make everyone feel safe, we felt that open-carry does not meet our mission and goal."

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[Duckhunter935]

1. Must have been thousands of firearms deaths at that business

At least that what we are always told. Those guns going out and killing on their own.

[chillfactor]

2. oh knock it off...

from your posts here you are against gun control of any kind and a disgrace as a DUer...and no I am not going to engage you as you are a person with no common sense.

[JonathanRackham]

3. But you already engaged him.

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[Duckhunter935]

4. Then you have not read my posts or are outright lying

I will give you the benefit of saying the former. As I have always been for UBC, strengthening the enforcement of current laws. Am not against firearms training and some kind of licence to own. I even think that licence could have an endorsement by type of firearm. Bolt action, revolver, semi pistol, semi rifle. Ensure weapons are removed if a person becomes a prohibited person. Charge people for negligent discharges or a child gets hold of a firearm. Free Gun locks and a voucher for at least a basic firearms safe for long weapons. Magazine size limits to 20 rounds and a government buyback for larger functional magazines. Not to mention universal health care to include mental health coverage. Really the only things I am against are confiscation without due process, cosmetic feature bans and government registration.

Those are just off the top of my head for a start.

[Duckhunter935]

5. And you are such a polite poster too

I could alert for a personal attack but I try not to do that. I prefer sunlight so all can see those kind words directed at me.

[DonP]

6. Sorry, I missed it when Skinner appointed you judge of what is and isn't a disgrace on DU

But if it's a self appointed position, then I vote that you are a terrible embarrassment to all progressives, based on your judgemental nature of people you don't know.

Now please scurry back under whatever rock you climbed out from under.

[Duckhunter935]

7. I am quite sure that poster will not respond

To my other post. Typical drive by insult. Quite sad actually.

[virginia mountainman]

12. You know whats disgraceful..

Making stuff up about a fellow DU poster...

You really should apologize.

[Duckhunter935]

16. Interesting how they disappear when challenged

Proves our point once again.

[beevul]

15. I find it endlessly entertaining...

I find it endlessly entertaining, when relatively new DUers tell relatively older DUers what constitutes a disgrace as a DUer.

Endlessly entertaining.

Yup.

[Duckhunter935]

17. It is indeed

And truly just sad

[ileus]

22. Or is he one of the few true DU progressives when it comes to basic human rights?

common sense....LOL

[scscholar]

8. Good. It would suck to be caught in the crossfire from a decision...

to endanger all of the customers over a few dollars in the register. Those carry people consider money more important than people.

[Duckhunter935]

9. Quick and simple question for you

How many have been shot in the restaurant since the open carry policy has been in effect?

And one more small fact, weapons will still be there, just concealed to follow the rules.

[scscholar]

10. Just because they haven't made the decision to just start shooting...

sometime in the past doesn't mean those NRA members won't make the decision to just start shooting.

[Duckhunter935]

11. How do you know they are all NRA members?

Most firearms owners are not NRA members. And weapons are still there, you know that right?

[DonP]

14. Pure stupidity, they think everyone with a gun is an NRA member

And please, don't annoy them with facts or reality.

It's much easier to stereotype everyone than actually think about it. They don't have any idea about the SAF, GOA or the 50 plus state association, the ones that are actually whipping their ass in court, and that have nothing to do with the NRA.

Very simple minds need very simple solutions, one scary "bogey man" is all they can handle. That's why most of their "knowledge" comes from bumper stickers they see online and Grabnutz posts..

[beevul]

19. If everyone with a gun were an nra member...

I can't even begin to calculate the rage that would ensue, among the usual suspects.

[beergood]

38. "doesn't mean those NRA members won't make the decision to just start shooting."

we NRA members go shooting all the time, in fact that's the whole purpose of the NRA is to train with your firearm in a safe and respectful manner. Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

[VMA131Marine]

26. Past performance is no guarantee of future results...

[Duckhunter935]

27. Of course not

But it is a very important factor to consider. Don't you agree?

[VMA131Marine]

28. No, I don't!

[Duckhunter935]

29. Interesting

But you are entitled to that opinion. At least you are allowed to post it in this group. This group allows open discussion.

[DonP]

33. Really?

Interesting attitude.

Next job application, tell them that, then refuse to provide a resume or any work history, since it's not indicative of future performance.

Let us know how that goes for you.

[Duckhunter935]

34. Or next time that poster needs some work done

Don't bother checking them out. Any past work ethic or history is not indicative of future performance.

[DonP]

36. I swear, some people are incapable of thinking 3 minutes into the future before they post

If they gave that post even 30 seconds of thought, they'd realize how incredibly stupid it sounds when you say it out loud.

But I bet they thought it was a "brilliant" way to tell those stupid gun humpers off.

[Duckhunter935]

37. Indeed, it kind of floored me

Notice the poster disappeared

[VMA131Marine]

44. Don't flatter yourself...

You are just not worth responding to

[Duckhunter935]

45. Good one, lol

[DonP]

46. Yeah sure, that's the reason you run away

We see that a lot from the weenies that want to spew a ridiculous meme here then disappear, rather than actually support their claims or engage in any discussion.

But feel free to run to the other group and tell them how courageous you were to confront those silly gun humpers, then run away, rather than engage. There, you don't have to do anything but nod yes to the 2 or 3 people that post there.

Always openings for another bobblehead there. Just make sure you always agree with the latest host, or you'll be gone in a flash

With supporters like you, no wonder gun control is such a pathetic excuse for a "movement".

[VMA131Marine]

47. I'll point out that I've been a member on DU almost as long as you have ...

and I contribute monthly to keeping it going. I don't see your gold star anywhere.

I served in the Marines for eight years so I'm quite familiar with how to safely handle multiple types of weapon thank you very much. That does not change the reality that homes with weapons in them are more dangerous than those without. Then there's the simple fact that every gun owner is law abiding right up until the moment they aren't. But go ahead and keep up with your delusions.

[Duckhunter935]

48. I am much more worried

About drunk and distracted drivers than I am firearms owners. Especially the ones that have concealed carry permits. Those drivers are also law abiding until they decide to not be. Alcohol kills and causes much more medical harm than firearms. I hope you are also against that as well.

[DonP]

49. Try again.

Too bad the Marine's didn't teach you any manners, on how to engage in conversations with people on a productive basis without being insulting and rude.

"Delusions", huh? So why, with record gun sales year after year, is violent crime now at a 20+ year low? Shouldn't it be skyrocketing according to your world view?

(And FWIW, this group is full of veterans including some lifers, so tuck that credential in your back pocket. Waving it around here doesn't buy you any extra credibility on this issue.)

Saying someone is "law abiding, up until they aren't" is an ignorant dodge for people with no real support. You can say the same thing about an armed robber, child molestor, Ponzi scheme et. al. It sounds "deep" and means jack shit.

You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

Now, where's your evidence that homes with guns are more dangerous?

And please don't embarrass yourself and insult out intelligence with the 30 year old and mutli-time discredited Kellerman Study.

[beevul]

50. Cute talking point.

Then there's the simple fact that every gun owner is law abiding right up until the moment they aren't.

The simple fact is, that 99.9x percent of gun owners don't venture into the 'aren't' category where gun violence is concerned.

An inadvertent omission on your part, I'm sure.

[jmg257]

51. Semper Fi, Mac. Lots of people know how to handle plenty of weapons safely.

And have even kept them in their houses, grown up around them, and been using them quite often with no issues what so ever - ever.

And never did it occur to millions and millions and millions of them to even contemplate becoming criminals. Nor will they.

Whether cops, USMC, civilians, etc etc., plenty of different experiences to go around. With no delusions necessary.

Choices are good.

[Marengo]

52. I assume you were never promoted beyond E1?

[VMA131Marine]

54. E-5 actually

You know what they say about people who assume...

[Marengo]

55. How is this possible? Considering past performance is no predictor of future results...

How did the USMC know you wouldn't become a shitbird after promotion?

[VMA131Marine]

56. Seriously, is this your version of enlightened discussion

I'd just as soon you said "Thank you for your service" and went on your way. You know how has a thin skin and can't let any perceived insult go unchallenged. You're as bad as him.

[Marengo]

57. "Every gun owner is law abiding right up until the moment they aren't" is an example...

Of enlightened discussion? At any rate, the fact that you were promoted, presumably because you were not a shibird, would seem to suggest your statement is incorrect.

[Marengo]

59. Might want to avoid DU if you can't stomach a challenge.

[Marengo]

60. Why were you promoted to E-5?

[Marengo]

53. Wouldn't that be true for any possessor of an object which can be used as a weapon?

[beevul]

35. I take it you make a habit of purchasing the worst rated products on Amazon?

[Marengo]

42. Are you a current, or former Marine?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. Concealed carry is still permitted.

[Duckhunter935]

18. Darn those pesky facts

[Straw Man]

20. New topic ...

Concealed carry is still permitted.

What rig for concealed carry in a kilt?

[JonathanRackham]

21. What's a Scotsman wear under a kilt?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

32. One answer:

[Runningdawg]

58. Lipstick if he is lucky :)

[oneshooter]

25. Shoulder holster. n/t

[Eleanors38]

30. Two magazines in any case.

[ileus]

23. So carrying concealed instead of OC means what???

"Carry people" are carrying because they value life not money.

[Eleanors38]

31. The rule is for OC, not CC.

[ileus]

24. Answer = OWB with an untucked shirt.

[beergood]

39. if there wearing a kilt

would't they also be wearing a sporran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporran. seems like that would be the best way to cc. with a proper holster of course.

[ileus]

41. as long as they retain the ability to save lives, method or carry doesn't matter.

[beergood]

61. agreed

[beergood]

40. are they allowed to

wear their dirks?

[Marengo]

43. I'd rather sport a claymore, more effective at close quarters and has a certain intimidation factor.

[beergood]

62. its only

intimidating if you look like this