Bills to end training and licensing requirements for concealed carry

[HAB911]

and to allow guns on college campuses loom as pivotal fights for 2017.

The number of Republican lawmakers serving in capitals across America sits at the highest level in nearly a century. The gun rights advocates among them head into 2017 eager to make this year a momentous one in their crusade to dismantle state firearms restrictions.

“This is our historic moment to go on offense,” Wayne LaPierre, the National Rifle Association’s executive vice president, told his members in a post-election video.

Already, two contentious proposals are underway. The first would eliminate licensing and training requirements governing who is authorized to carry concealed handguns. The so-called permitless-carry measures are poised to take on extra importance as a federal bill requiring all states to honor each other’s concealed-carry laws gains steam in Congress. Under that legislation, states that mandate permits for carrying hidden handguns would be forced to allow visitors from states that no longer require such licenses to carry concealed guns.

The second push would allow guns onto more college campuses, which gun advocates have targeted for years in their campaign to make firearms commonplace in places where deadly weapons have long been barred.

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/01/state-republicans-pro-gun-bills-concealed-carry-campus-carry/

[guillaumeb]

1. Wayne LaPierre tells the truth for once.

When he talked about going on offense. What he did not say was that the American people are the ones that the NRA is going on the offense against.

LaPierre is a pathetic tool for the weapons manufacturers posing as a human.

[HAB911]

3. It was hilarious

I got a robocall from the NRA last week. some guy comes on and asks me to listen to a quick message, LaPierre (french sounding) comes on and tells me how Obama is going to take all our guns away, so the NRA needs some money to fight him. seriously. when the guy comes back on after the LaPierre recording to squeeze me for money, I just tell him he's a paranoid idiot and hung up. geeeeeze

[guillaumeb]

4. Unfortunately there are many paranoid gun owners who buy this nonsense.

And the weapons industry profits immensely from the fear.

[Angry Dragon]

2. WE NEED MORE GUNS

[Paladin]

5. Concealed carry without training or licensing?

Fuck that shit. And fuck any of you Gun Enthusiasts who back such provisions---particularly after the oh-so-solemn advice you've been dishing out lately to new gun owners: be really, really, really careful with your new guns, and get lots and lots and lots and lots of practice with the friendly guys down at the range.......

[sarisataka]

18. I agree with the importance of training

and would no more prefer an untrained gun carrier to an untrained aircraft pilot.

I would ask a favor of you. When gun control advocates speak of training and target shooting as 'practicing to murder' will you speak as vehemently to them about the value of training?

[Paladin]

20. I don't need "loaded" phrases like "practicing to murder" to express myself.

Your comparison of an untrained gun carrier an untrained aircraft pilot is a sound one.

[SQUEE]

6. I disagree with the push for Constitutional carry.

I am an advocate for MORE training and I want the states to help more people get more training.
Courses through Community Colleges, on dual use LEO and civilian training centers, all for a very nominal fee.

There are a lot of new DEMOCRAT gun owners popping up, I want them to be safe and trained to use these new Constitutional rights they have discovered.

[Kang Colby]

7. I fully support these measures.

The only permit you should need is the 2nd Amendment.

Not sure why anyone would think gun owners should ask permission prior to bearing arms.

Thanks

[HAB911]

8. Because Americans are too stupid, maybe?

Like any of us should trust anyone with with a gun with or without training? LMAO.

Look at the idiot Americans just elected for proof


TOO FUNNY

[gejohnston]

10. Americans aren't that stupid

at least most of them aren't. Safely operating a firearm doesn't require that much training. Read the owners manual watch a couple of You Tube videos on basic marksmanship and safety is more than enough. Besides, most people learn as kids.
Not saying that formal training is a bad idea or a waste, just saying that self-learning is under rated. A lot of instructors opposed Arizona's "constitutional carry" for fear of losing business. Their business actually increased.

[HAB911]

11. You are talking about the technical aspects only

stressful situations and what to do in response is not a weekend warrior endeavor

[gejohnston]

12. You have no idea what you are talking about

Either someone is trying to, or give the reasonable belief of, immediately inflict death or grave bodily injury or they are not. Flight or fight response kicks in. it is instinct with humans as it is with any other animal. There is a shop near me that offers a VR version of "shoot or don't". It is a good thing to do, far more than cops do. I do once in awhile to support a local business.
Cops aren't really that well trained.

[HAB911]

14. You have no idea what you are talking about

I wouldn't put my life in your hands under any circumstances

[gejohnston]

15. I don't hire myself out to be anyone's body guard

It isn't my job to protect you, just like it isn't the cops' job either.

[HAB911]

16. then you should not want to walk around

like a Rambo flashing your rod

[gejohnston]

17. If you ever watched the movies,

Rambo used a compound bow or a big assed knife. The only guns he used was some machine gun he found.

[HAB911]

24. Just read this and stop dancing

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/column-florida-should-not-loosen-gun-laws/2309109

[gejohnston]

28. an op ed by two advocates.

Get back to me when you find someone who is objective and who knows what they are talking about. Is Gabor's work peer reviewed? Has he had anything published in criminology journals?

Given the large number of defensive gun uses by non LE each year, their conclusions are absurd. Also, most PDs don't have the level of training they support, certainly not NYPD.

I wasn't dancing, I was being straight up. There are numerous examples of armed citizens performing as I claim, and opposite as you claim.

[HAB911]

30. Irrelevent ad-hominem argument

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028465796

[gejohnston]

32. it wasn't ad hominem

their argument was not based on any verifiable facts. The Secretary General of INTERPOL at the time came to the opposite conclusion after the Westgate Mall terrorist attack. His was based on verifiable facts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/17/good-guys-with-guns-former-interpol-chief-ron-noble-on-the-westgate-mall-mass-shooting/?utm_term=.7fd27eb4b19e

Encouraging citizens to carry is now Czech Republic policy

Your cartoon was an ad hominem

[Eleanors38]

22. Are we verging on the Diggler Rule?

[sarisataka]

19. How would you reply

to those gun control advocates who view training on firearms as practicing murder?

[Eleanors38]

21. You're "stupid Americans" are responsible for lower homicide & childhood gun-accident rates...

but that is obvious.

I too support training to-carry in the public, but so far, there is no big upswing in gun-homicides, OR accidental gun-accidents for kids below 15 yoa. This suggests that millions of intelligent people are getting training and taking safety measures to bring down these rate.

I would point out that the model for "Constitutional Carry" is that hotbed of RW thought: Vermont.

[HAB911]

23. Sorry, I disagree

American are stupid, too stupid to walk around with a gun.

I don't want or need any stupid barrel stroker that thinks he knows how to use a gun in a stressful situation ATTEMPTING to defend me ever.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/column-florida-should-not-loosen-gun-laws/2309109

[Eleanors38]

25. Ah! Diggler's Rule is now in effect. Carry on...

Of course you realize carrying arms in the situations dealt with here is for self-defense, not social policy. I don't envision a policy of widespread carrying of arms for the purpose of effecting social policy (reducing crime, for exp.), but perhaps in the future a credible study may show crime reduction based on public-carry. I will wait and see.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

27. stupid, barrel stroker...

Your insults are rather revealing of your purpose here.

[DashOneBravo]

9. I'm for a national CCW

I think training should be required and you should have to do more than just hit the target.

I also think law enforcement officers should have a lot more marksmanship classes.

[yagotme]

13. This, for sure.

"I also think law enforcement officers should have a lot more marksmanship classes."

Have shot alongside a few cops who could shoot;

and a boatload that couldn't.

[pangaia]

26. A car in every garage and a gun in every holster....or....pocket..

[hack89]

29. Sounds good

Let's make it happen.