Data Point

[AndyS]

28+ — the estimated number of hate crime incidents involving the use or threatened use of a firearm that take place each day in the U.S.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/disarm-hate-a-summary-of-key-challenges-and-solutions/

[TexasDem69]

1. There certainly is too much

Ignorance in the US that leads to these sorts of crimes.

[AndyS]

2. Any other corollary factors? Any at all?

[TexasDem69]

3. Correlation

Or causation? Two completely different things. We should try to understand the cause, wouldn’t you agree?

[AndyS]

4. Correlation/causation? I thought that NRA/ILA dodge had run it's course.

There is a difference. Correlation means that if this (more guns) we can expect that (more gun violence). Causation is proving that any one incident (a homicide) can be directly linked to any one change in circumstance (gun entering the system).

So yeah, if there are more guns there will be more gun violence. There is a correlation, we agree.

[TexasDem69]

5. Wow

That’s not what the story you posted supports. But you do you.

[AndyS]

6. My OP was about

"number of hate crime incidents involving the use or threatened use of a firearm". Guns and threats. Somehow you deflect to ignorance as if that's an explanation. I ask if there were any other corollaries. Your response was to run off down the NRA/ILA rat-hole of correlation not being relevant if causation can't be established.

Correlation is absolutely relevant. More guns = more violence. More cars on a freeway, more car crashes. More swimming pools more drownings.

On another note; when you first started replying in my threads I said I recognized your literary style, that I thought I knew you in a former incarnation, one no longer able to post here. There has only been one person to say to me "you do you" in the almost 20 years I've been here. That isn't an oft used phrase. Just a coincidence I suppose . . .

[TexasDem69]

7. Grand conspiracy theories

But you do you. I feel like that’s a pretty common phrase. Feel free to correct me.

On edit, who do you think I was in my former life? Inquiring minds and so on and so forth. And on further edit, are you suggesting I should be banned from this website because you disagree with me? That seems very authoritarian.

[AndyS]

8. The phrase is about 15 years old and more common in some black communities.

Some other usages actually go back 200 years. As I said, in 18 years here only two have used that phrase to me. Mere coincidence I'm sure.

I'm not suggesting you be banned. I just find it erie that you seem so familiar. As I said I'm sure it's pure coincidence.

Authoritarian is a big word. Careful how it's tossed around.

[ManiacJoe]

9. Prosecute the crime.

Give an appropriate sentence.
This is a proven method to lower the crime rates.

[AndyS]

10. Actually it has little deterrent.

Posting from phone so links are hard but all studies I find say it is ineffective to increase punishment. Seems criminals don't know the sentences for their crimes and don't plan to get caught anyway.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. I've read that prison isn't a real threat to repeat criminals.

Of course letting them out again isn't much help.

[yagotme]

12. I know of prisoners planning their second bit while getting locked up for their first.

If they're locked up for an extended time for gun violence, then how can they possibly commit more? Feel free to quote me, as I have been informed that I've been blocked by a certain individual here.