'There Will Be Losses': How a Captain's Plea Exposed a Rift in the Military

[stopdiggin]

Good reporting on the incident. Well worth the read (and the Times is not behind a paywall)

Among other things, 1) Modly was advised by military leaders to "wait for the investigation" .. but pleasing Trump (or fear of displeasing Trump) caused him to act. 2) The address aboard the Roosevelt horrified civilian and military alike. Modly was probably gone before he set down back in the states. 3) Military are concerned that the incident highlights not only problems with this virus and this carrier .. but also systemic issues dealing with discipline, respect and command.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/coronavirus-roosevelt-carrier-crozier.html?

-snip - The episode shows how the military, the most structured and hierarchical part of the government, has tried to adjust to an erratic president, and how in a hollowed-out leadership, acting secretaries have replaced those confirmed by the Senate.
-snip - ... infuriated Mr. Modly. His next actions stunned Pentagon officials and effectively turned the crew of the Roosevelt even more solidly against him. Mr. Modly boarded a Gulfstream business jet at an airfield in suburban Washington and made the 35-hour round-trip flight to Guam, at a cost of $243,116.65, according to a Navy official, confirming a report in USA Today.
- snip - Then he went to the Roosevelt and delivered a 15-minute diatribe over the ship’s loudspeakers berating the crew for cheering for its captain. He called Captain Crozier either “too naïve” or “too stupid” to command an aircraft carrier. He told the sailors they should never trust the media. He blamed China for the virus. Less than 30 minutes later, after taking no questions from the sailors, he was gone.

[ZZenith]

1. At this point I would take a military coup.

As awful as I know that would be, at least Putin would no longer have his hand on the levers.

[2naSalit]

4. I hate to say it

but I've been anticipating one about now, way back since the Seals thing. I bet there could be one if nobody else can stop this shitshow. I'd rather have someone remove him and either hold it until the election or something.

[Baked Potato]

2. That episode shows how utterly inept Trump's Toadies are,

thinking some POS like him can board a Navy ship and badmouth a Captain like he did.

[stopdiggin]

3. It was stunningly inept. And an absolutely staggering

display of a wanton lack (of both ability, and character) at this level of leadership. The whole world stood agog.

[soryang]

5. USS Roosevelt Fiasco

https://www.democraticunderground.com/117813532