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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:16 AM Mar 2013

New Calls For Bush War Criminals To Face Justice

http://www.opednews.com/articles/New-Calls-For-Bush-War-Cri-by-Mick-Meaney-130309-315.html



New Calls For Bush War Criminals To Face Justice
By Mick Meaney
OpEdNews Op Eds 3/9/2013 at 19:07:47

A UN investigator has requested that the United States reveal its findings on the CIA's Bush-era programme of the rendition and secret detention of terrorism suspects, which has the potential to lead to high-level officials being prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

A US Senate select committee on intelligence investigated the CIA's secret detention and interrogation programme and examined use of highly controversial torture methods including waterboarding.

The panel is believed to have been given unrestricted access to classified information, and completed its review in December 2011.

~snip~

The Department of Justice has so far protected Bush era war criminals by refusing to prosecute any official "who acted in good faith and within the scope of legal guidance given by its Office of Legal Counsel", according to US Attorney General Eric Holder.
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New Calls For Bush War Criminals To Face Justice (Original Post) unhappycamper Mar 2013 OP
Should happen but never will nt ladjf Mar 2013 #1
Hope UN puts the hammer on our weak DOJ even more lunasun Mar 2013 #2
They have no hammer to use ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #4
Message auto-removed BAT21 Mar 2013 #9
Keep hammering away at the issue like this lunasun Mar 2013 #20
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I will not move on or give up on wanting to see justice duhneece Mar 2013 #29
Holder is a complicit coward who spends his time busting providers of medicines to sick people Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #3
Maybe they should go after the Department of Justice for harboring War Criminals. RC Mar 2013 #5
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The UN has just as much power to go after Cheney and Rumsfeld, as they do to anyone shielding them. RC Mar 2013 #14
Message auto-removed BAT21 Mar 2013 #17
Should also include the 'War of Aggression' that is the Iraq War, also a War crime on point Mar 2013 #6
Renditions, detentions, drone killings, no due process, etc..this is "acting" in good faith AND... Dryvinwhileblind Mar 2013 #7
Agent Mike agrees. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #11
Tisk tisk ...laws are for little people. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #8
Lesson Learned about the Jury Process Here at du BlueManFan Mar 2013 #10
George Carlin got the TS here on DU. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #13
Thanks for the eyes wide open explanation of my "Over the top-ity"!!!! BlueManFan Mar 2013 #22
I see the jury system get used against things that others disagree with... L0oniX Mar 2013 #23
I have to agree. The thing is I've been a fan here at du since the days of Bob Boudelang. BlueManFan Mar 2013 #26
excusing and whitewashing / good cop bad cop L0oniX Mar 2013 #27
Yes it would be nice to see all President Bush's war criminals punished lunasun Mar 2013 #25
It is nesseary ...to restore confidence in the rule of law ...or the law is a joke... L0oniX Mar 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #15
Any sanctions against the US SCVDem Mar 2013 #16
Former mayor of Detroit just got 20 years for being a crook. Octafish Mar 2013 #18
The calls for justice will never end, war crimes don't just go away just1voice Mar 2013 #19
Trust me on this one: all of junior's emissaries always acted only in good faith by indepat Mar 2013 #21

Response to lunasun (Reply #2)

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
20. Keep hammering away at the issue like this
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 12:32 PM
Mar 2013

UN investigator who has recently requested that the United States reveal its findings on the CIA's part that is what I meant . Not let what happened "die" or comply with just" putting it behind us and moving forward"

Keep calling on a world platform for human rights and justice
" Emmerson, UN special rapporteur on the promotion and protection of human rights, has urged the Senate to publish the report "without delay, and to the fullest extent possible". He also airs concern over the fact that there have been no prosecutions despite the "gross or systematic" violation of human rights. "

DOJ = Perpetuating impunity for the public officials implicated in these crimes.
"Any public officials who may have authorised or helped in setting up such facilities should be held accountable."
He also draws attention to the use of clandestine sites where suspects were taken for detention without any extradition procedures, charges laid or access to a lawyer: "There is now credible evidence to show that CIA 'black sites' were located on the territory of Lithuania, Morocco, Poland, Romania and Thailand, and that the officials of at least 49 other States allowed their airspace or airports to be used for rendition flights."

Americans may turn their heads and move on or give up, but globally it can at least be still demanded.
It cant be just 'our little problem' when we outsource our torture!!

Response to lunasun (Reply #20)

duhneece

(4,263 posts)
29. I will not move on or give up on wanting to see justice
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:59 PM
Mar 2013

I want to see the Bush administration tried for crimes against humanity by the International Criminal Court.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. Holder is a complicit coward who spends his time busting providers of medicines to sick people
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:59 AM
Mar 2013

and protecting the worst criminals of DC and Wall Street.

Response to RC (Reply #5)

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
14. The UN has just as much power to go after Cheney and Rumsfeld, as they do to anyone shielding them.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:23 AM
Mar 2013

Response to RC (Reply #14)

Dryvinwhileblind

(153 posts)
7. Renditions, detentions, drone killings, no due process, etc..this is "acting" in good faith AND...
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:09 AM
Mar 2013

...within the "scope of legal guidance"..."given" by "it's" Office of Legal Council? Really? REALLY? OK class, WTF is wrong with THIS picture, what is the difference btwn that regime, and the current, regarding these issues, and what the hell has 5 years of "hope and change" brought Us to, besides being closer to the brink of.......pick one? By all means, prosecute those who ARE guilty, regardless of "party" affiliation, and see the PTB close ranks REGARDLESS of "party". The degree of which We are, have been, and will be hustled is more than most will be able to handle. Anonymous is right, this whole lop of shit needs brought to it's knees, a complete reset of, by, and for the Peoples' will is the only ultimate "solution", I'm afraid, and of course, it will be anything but "civil". Union Yes, CONfederacy, HELL NO!

BlueManFan

(256 posts)
10. Lesson Learned about the Jury Process Here at du
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:13 AM
Mar 2013

no profanity, no "over the top" references. Just pablum. SO, here's one that should escape cesnorship.... Gosh it would be nice to see President Bush's war crimes punished. Bland enough???????????????????????????

BlueManFan

(256 posts)
22. Thanks for the eyes wide open explanation of my "Over the top-ity"!!!!
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 12:42 PM
Mar 2013

But I'm Offended at Signature Drone Strikes, Keeping my Miserable Fucking job so I don't lose my increasingly expensive and shit health insurance because we don't have single payer; torture; bailing out wall street banksters while imprisoning more people than any other nation on earth; raids on medical pot and its users, the rampant corrpution in our bought and paid for politicicains; the bloated defense industrial complex, and on and on ad nauseum, ad infinitum,. All at the hands of our "Progressive President"?? Please spare me!!!! But express this fury with "over the top" language, and I'm the offensive one???? Really; really?

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
23. I see the jury system get used against things that others disagree with...
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 12:52 PM
Mar 2013

which is wrong. Rather than discuss it ...they alert on. Alert on yourself sometime and you will see some vote to leave it and others to hide it. The DU jury system is IMO an inconsistent net nanny blog nazi service ...but then this is a side issue. Over the top-ity is fine by me. I don't have virgin eyes or ears.

BlueManFan

(256 posts)
26. I have to agree. The thing is I've been a fan here at du since the days of Bob Boudelang.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:03 PM
Mar 2013

I finally signed up and started posting because I thought we were excusing and whitewashing Obama's rightward lurch too much. Sometimes a crack-whore inspired, (I once posted that congress should be honest and admit they will (perform fallatio) for a campaign contribution) reference sums things up. My last horrible post was that we were going to need lube because Obama, the world's worst negotiator, was going to, shall we say, not take care pf us when it comes to negotiations with the republicans.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
27. excusing and whitewashing / good cop bad cop
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:14 PM
Mar 2013

Like Dems are immune from corporate money. Lock step condemned but ok when its Dem. Truth falls to the wayside over party. The site never was exclusively about the truth ...it just happens that there is more truth on this side than the other. Fortunately bull shit still gets shamed real quick here. No one is totally immune from ignorance but anyone can take on self examination and without that you get what you deserve intellectually.

BTW I still keep an archive link to Bob Boudelang ...for occasional laughs and reference.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
28. It is nesseary ...to restore confidence in the rule of law ...or the law is a joke...
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:17 PM
Mar 2013

which it already is IMO. "too big to fail" Yea and the Mafia is also too big to fail.

Response to unhappycamper (Original post)

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
16. Any sanctions against the US
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:34 AM
Mar 2013

would be blocked by the Security Council.

The United States deserves the same sanctions we impose on others for War Crimes and other Crimes against Humanity, like illegal detention, running a gulag in Cuba and repeated human rights violations which are evident when one looks at our prison system.

We ALLOW our prisoners to be raped and murdered in custody yet we decry any other nation doing so.

These and many more! We are not that shining beacon and any excuse that it could be worse is belied by our dropping standards in most every category frrom education, health care and infrastructure compared with the rest of the world.

We are failing and refuse to allow anything helpful to turn us around. We surely can't do it with the congress we now have.

We need to open the windows and let the sun shine in!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Former mayor of Detroit just got 20 years for being a crook.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:37 AM
Mar 2013

The media here are going wild about it.

[font size="5"][font color="red"]Meanwhile, nary a peep about the warmonger Bush.[/font color][/font size]

Oh. NPR did do a one hour special today about the 10 year anniversary about the invasion of Iraq and all the good work the soldiers did to bring democracy to the land ruled by the dictator the CIA installed to overthrow the democracy that had been there.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
19. The calls for justice will never end, war crimes don't just go away
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:40 AM
Mar 2013

as the Obama administration has told us they do when they tell us that prosecution is off the table and to look forwards not backwards. All prosecutions of crimes are always a look backwards as that is when the crimes occurred so being told to not look backwards regarding crimes is illogical at best and criminal at worst.

The longer the U.S. puts off dealing with the massive numbers of war crimes and conspiracies to commit war the worse off the entire U.S. becomes as our citizens feel betrayed and we all lose all trust in every branch of the government.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
21. Trust me on this one: all of junior's emissaries always acted only in good faith by
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 12:34 PM
Mar 2013

faithfully carrying out their master's wishes.

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