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Related: About this forumDear President Obama: Some American Exceptionalism is nothing to be Proud Of (Engelhardt)
http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/president-exceptionalism-engelhardt.htmlDear President Obama: Some American Exceptionalism is nothing to be Proud Of (Engelhardt)
Posted on 09/27/2013 by Juan Cole
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1. What other country could have invaded Iraq, hardly knowing the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite, and still managed to successfully set off a brutal sectarian civil war and ethnic cleansing campaigns between the two sects that would subsequently go regional, whose casualty counts have tipped into the hundreds of thousands, and which is now bouncing back on Iraq? What other great power would have launched its invasion with plans to garrison that country for decades and with the larger goal of subduing neighboring Iran (Everyone wants to go to Baghdad; real men want to go to Tehran), only to slink away eight years later leaving behind a Shiite government in Baghdad that was a firm ally of Iran? And in what other country, could leaders, viewing these events, and knowing our part in them, have been so imbued with goodness as to draw further red lines and contemplate sending in the missiles and bombers again, this time on Syria and possibly Iran? Who in the world would dare claim that this isnt an unmatchable record?
2. What other country could magnanimously spend $4-6 trillion on two good wars in Afghanistan and Iraq against lightly armed minority insurgencies without winning or accomplishing a thing? And thats not even counting the funds sunk into the Global War on Terror and sideshows in places like Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen, or the staggering sums that, since 9/11, have been poured directly into the national security state. How many countries, possessing the finest fighting force in the history of the world, could have engaged in endless armed conflicts and interventions from the 1960s on and, except in unresisting Panama and tiny Grenada, never managed to definitively win anything?
3. And talking about exceptional records, what other military could have brought an estimated 3.1 million pieces of equipment ranging from tanks and Humvees to porta-potties, coffee makers, and computers with it into Iraq, and then transported most of them out again (while destroying the rest or turning them over to the Iraqis)? Similarly, in an Afghanistan where the U.S. military is now drawing down its forces and has already destroyed more than 170 million pounds worth of vehicles and other military equipment, what other force would have decided ahead of time to shred, dismantle, or simply discard $7 billion worth of equipment (about 20% of what it had brought into the country)? The general in charge proudly calls this the largest retrograde mission in history. To put that in context: What other military would be capable of carrying a total consumer society right down to PXs, massage parlors, boardwalks, Internet cafes, and food courts to war? Lets give credit where its due: were not just talking retrograde here, were talking exceptionally retrograde!
4. What other military could, in a bare few years in Iraq, have built a staggering 505 bases, ranging from combat outposts to ones the size of small American towns with their own electricity generators, water purifiers, fire departments, fast-food restaurants, and even miniature golf courses at a cost of unknown billions of dollars and then, only a few years later, abandoned all of them, dismantling some, turning others over to the Iraqi military or into ghost towns, and leaving yet others to be looted and stripped? And what other military, in the same time period thousands of miles away in Afghanistan, could have built more than 450 bases, sometimes even hauling in the building materials, and now be dismantling them in the same fashion? If those arent exceptional feats, what are?
unhappycamper comment: How do we get out of this destructive cycle? Stop throwing bucks at weapons manufacturers.
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Dear President Obama: Some American Exceptionalism is nothing to be Proud Of (Engelhardt) (Original Post)
unhappycamper
Sep 2013
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DonViejo
(60,536 posts)1. Just because Juan Cole considers those issues to constitute
Last edited Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:58 AM - Edit history (1)
"American exceptionalism" does not mean the rest of us or, even the President, consider them to be such.
brush
(57,413 posts)2. Good stuff
Pls keep posting.