Baby Boomers
Related: About this forumBoomers: Do you want to retire in your present location?
Do you want to move to another town?
Do you want to just move into different housing in your same town?
Do you want to just stay in your same home?
Me - I can't stand the weather extremes here in Denver and want to retire to a coastal Southern California 55+ community. But it is more expensive.
On edit: I just read in the AARP Bulletin that 90% of 60+ population want to stay where they are. I don't believe it.
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LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)I live in Montgomery County, Maryland. It is expensive, snobby and getting more developed every day. I used to live in a fairly quiet area but now the roar of traffic is constant.
I'd love to move back to our home state, New Jersey, but the property taxes are murder.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)But the probability I'll move elsewhere stems from the fact that I only moved to my present location five years ago, and have never intended to live the rest of my life here.
I am not attracted to the Sunbelt at all. Heck, with global warming even someone currently in northern Minnesota just needs to stay put and balmy weather will arrive before we know it. 
Where I end up is likely to depend on where my kids are in five or ten years, since I'll probably relocate to live near one or the other of them. But if they move to places I don't want to live in, forget it. I'll either stay where I am or simply go someplace else that I want to live in.
Probably the most important thing for me is that I've lived in several different parts of the country as an adult. That means I don't have terribly strong ties anywhere, quite unlike someone who's lived in the same state or even city their entire life.
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Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Our postal address will be on the Piazza Karl Marx, which amuses both of us.
sinkingfeeling
(53,174 posts)in either southern France or Italy.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)We have been going to Italy on vacation for many years. We really like the country -- admittedly, we are not fond of southern Italy. I doubt we shall be going south of Rome very much. The apartment we are buying is in Umbria, somewhat west of Perugia; a stone's throw from Tuscany.
Oddly, neither one of us is Italian. My father's family is English, my mother's family is Mitteleuropean Jewish. My wife's father's family is Polish, her mother's family is lace-curtain Irish.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I preferred the south to the north--I know the north is wealthier and has their shit together in terms of public services and less organized (and other) crime, but I like the region from Roma to Vesuvio--it's my old stomping grounds and I still miss it.
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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Just bought my first home ever - 28 acres in the bush with a small cabin, lots of firewood, wildlife,
and PRIVACY.
Dead end of a dead end road - only traffic is visitors.
Yep - I'm happier in a pig in doo-doo to be here.
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Nay
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grandchild. I just can't. Mr Nay could move in a NY minute, but as much as I hate it here, I can't see me leaving them. I just love them too much, even if they often seem too busy to see grandma. 
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Exactly how far away a person is willing to be from the children depends on all sorts of stuff. I happen to live 800 miles from one son, and about 1500 from the other.
I am willing to suggest to you that you in the end must decide what is best for you, and you alone. Understand that my definition of you in this case does include your spouse. But think about this: It's not uncommon for young women to let their life decisions revolve around what some young man in their life decides. Most of us, standing outside, will say that's a dumb thing to do. Guys don't do that. They make decisions based on what's best for them. You need to make your life decisions based on what's best for YOU.
And so it goes with life decision made later on. Should someone really base where they live on what a grown child might decide? Shouldn't life decisions, especially where to live, be based on what is best for the person making that decision?
What if your child gets a job offer halfway across the country? Should that job be declined just to stay near Mom? Really?
In the end, you must do what's best for you. If that means staying where you are, then okay. But if you're making all your decisions based on something outside yourself, then I'd suggest you re-think your priorities. In the end, your child has her own life. You have yours. It's not the end of the world if you don't live nearby. Especially if, as you stated, they often seem too busy to seem grandma.
Nay
(12,051 posts)else is quite low -- DIL's family is all here and my child is very much a settled person with his own business.
"What's best for me" totally depends on how I feel from one day to the next. This whole country is so teabaggy that it drives me crazy, so moving to Canada (I have Canadian citizenship too) is tempting.
Other areas of the country are physically more appealing because Mr Nay hates the humidity of the South. I could easily move for that reason as well.
Then I say to myself "well, how happy are you going to be when you move to a place where you know no one, have no family there, and have only moved there for some fairly superficial reason?" I also do have some lingering resentment, since we moved here many years ago for Mr Nay's job -- I feel like I got dragged here already, and now I am to be dragged someplace else, away from family and friends, just cuz we retired?? Really? Really?
I do continue to feel that we should spend several months each year in Canada or out west, or just traveling. I'm willing to do that at least. I don't have to be around the kids every day. I just don't want to see them once every couple of years. That would make me cry.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Five years ago, when I was in the throes of divorce, I relocated from Overland Park, Kansas, to Santa Fe, New Mexico. 800 miles. Even though I'd been to Santa Fe several times before, I did not know anyone here. It was going to be a total and complete change. A couple of weeks before my move, my sister who lived a half mile from me, expressed her concern. She worried that I didn't know anyone here. She worried because I didn't have a job. Her concern was based in her genuine love of me.
I pointed out that I could make friends anywhere. I could get work anywhere. Honestly, it helped that I'd never had a career, had been out of the workforce for nearly thirty years while raising children. I'd recently become a paralegal and had good basic office skills so I knew I could get a job anywhere.
I will assure you that I miss my sons a lot. When I moved here the younger one was still in college. He graduated (cum laude, I must brag) and initially returned to Kansas while trying to figure out what he wanted to do with himself. A high school friend had move to Portland, OR, suggested son go there and he did. Great decision. But had I remained in Kansas, I would not only have been wallowing in misery, but that wallowing would have made my son feel that he needed to remain there for my sake. My moving made it possible for him to move. And he has a life in Portland that is just great for him.
I understand completely that your circumstances are very different, so my story seems meaningless. But what I want you to take from my story is that circumstances can change, and in the end you must figure out what works best for you. If for you staying where you are is the best choice, then stay. This is a little like the breast vs. bottle debate. No matter if I think breast is best, if you have your reasons to bottle feed, then bottle feed, and do not let any breast is best person make you feel you're inferior. Because you're not. You're doing what's best for you and your baby.
Similarly, if staying to be near your only child and grandchild is best, then that's what you should do. I sincerely hope your spouse understands and supports you. The grandchildren sometime being "too busy" isn't the important part. It's the big picture that's the important part.
What I am hoping most that I convey is that individual decisions are just that: individual decisions. Do what works and is right for you. It's okay that sometimes you'll have second thoughts. Believe me, I spend much more time than I should musing about how things would be different if I'd made a different decision about something or another. There are many decision points for all of us. Make yours, and you'll be just fine.
Love and best wishes,
SheilaT
Nay
(12,051 posts)me, I do. And I may get to the point where I decide to do something similar.
Santa Fe is especially good for women of a certain age. I would absolutely not want to be a young person here. I had the wondrous good luck to have my youth in the Washington, DC area. Before AIDS, I should add.
Anyway, I also looked at Portland, OR, before I came here. And I'm doubly glad I didn't go there. First, because Santa Fe has worked out quite well for me, and secondly, had I gone there, my younger son would NEVER have considered it himself. We do get along quite well, but he would never have made the move from Kansas 1500 miles to be again in the same city with his mom.
Most people wind up where they are by default. They grew up there. Or the job was there. Very rarely do people get to decide where they want to live, completely on their own, no job or other considerations. Recently I had a conversation with the son who lives in Portland about this. He is so very happy there. He earns his living delivering pizza. The important thing is that he's earning his living. If he were to ask me for money I'd say, "Get a better job." But he's managing quite well. He plays Ultimate Frisbee and does stand-up at the local comedy clubs.
What can any of us hope for but to be supporting ourselves and happy in what we do? Personally, I've NEVER had a job I've loved. It's always been a job, a way to earn a living. Right now I have the incredible good fortune to be able to manage on just a part time job (with benefits, which is huge I know) which is singularly undemanding. I have choices, which isn't that common. But I honestly think that a lot of other people, if they were to be totally honest, would realize that they too have choices.
MADem
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mysuzuki2
(3,551 posts)Milwaukee is a great city. We have a lot of cultural resources and great festivals in the summer. There's a lot of ethnic diversity and great restaurants. I have been retired almost 3 years and I have no plans to leave. Yes the winters are long and cold but we have great spring, summer and fall. The winter makes me appreciate the other 3 seasons even more. Also, we don't have much threat of natural disasters. No earthquakes, hurricanes, mudslides or tidal waves. Even tornadoes are rare this close to Lake Michigan. I feel lucky to live here.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I have only ever visited that wonderful city once, and so it wasn't quite enough to sway my decision. I sometimes say that if I were twenty years younger, I'd be travelling around, living in different cities for a couple of years and then moving on. Perhaps I shouldn't think about being younger, but just do it.
I really loved Milwaukee the one and only time I was there.
Journeyman
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El Supremo
(20,382 posts)I'm looking at Oceanside. About 3 1/2 miles from the coast.
I see that they have the May Gray and the June Gloom. But it looks great the rest of the year.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I live in Oklahoma. However, I live in Tulsa which is a pretty nice town.
The cost of living here is low, unemployment low too. The house is about paid for and most of my family is still here.
I still get to go visit my daughter in Portland, Oregon and a few weeks in July is enough! I couldn't take the rain. LOL
whathehell
(29,854 posts)I live in Chicago, which I love right now, but I'm tired of winter.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Personally I've never understood the desperation to get away from cold winters, but that's just me.
Keep in mind that if you no longer need to commute to a job every day, the weather doesn't matter in quite the same way.
The other thing to think about very carefully is if the local schools are good. Okay, I understand that you won't have kids in the local school system, but keep in mind that if someday down the road you're in a local nursing home, you will want the best care possible. And that may well be a function of the local schools.
Just because you no longer have kids in the local schools (or maybe you never had because you never had kids) doesn't mean the quality of the local schools don't matter. They do.
I happen to think that the local climate/weather isn't as important as all sorts of things. I do understand that you may well prefer a milder climate, but keep in mind that not having to shovel snow off your cars in the middle of winter is not the only thing that contributes to your quality of life.
whathehell
(29,854 posts)different warm locales for a few years to see which we like best...Florida, New Orleans, even Santa Fe, although I know
the winters are not really 'warm' (though warmer than Chicago) are on our list.
What bothers me about winters, as much as the cold, is the "short" days -- the lack of sunshine, the "nights" that begin
at 5 pm or even earlier in some months, climate zones.
The combination of dark AND cold is something we both find depressing, and
something we find a lot of people share, although it seems you're not one of them. 
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)terrible, awful, cold winters. It's as if every one of them moved here from San Diego just a couple of years ago. We have winter -- right now it's 27 degrees and it has been snowing very lightly on and off all day. This is one of those very rare days when I haven't seen the sun at all. Whatever our official claim for days of sunshine, I doubt there are as many as ten days all year when you don't see the sun at least a little, and most of the time we have phenomenally clear skies.
I've lived in enough different places, that while I certainly do pay attention to the local weather, it is not the first thing I care about in a place I'm going to live in. 
cntrygrl
(357 posts)I was born in Ellenville, NY and have lived in Flar-dee-DUH since 1981. I don't like it here and would love to retire to the Catskills. I honestly doubt very much if we could ever afford to pull up stakes and make the big move. But I can dream, can't I?
we can do it
(12,786 posts)This fall we got married (after 24 years- never thought we'd be able to) and bought a home in Rehoboth Beach, DE. We are going to rent it seasonally and get it paid down so we can sell our house here in Ohio and move there fulltime hopefully in 5 years. I will work as much as I can to expedite the move.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)as the area I live (Southwestern Riverside County, CA) is SO conservative. Good place to raise kids, I guess, but for people like my husband and I, with no kids at home, it stinks. I'd move to the coast in San Diego (still conservative) in a heartbeat since there's nothing here to do unless you bowl or go to the movies. I'd love to live in the central coast where we used to live (Cayucos, funky little beach town) but it's too damn expensive. San Luis Obispo would be perfect.
But our mortgage is less than $450 a month. Where could we possibly match that? And, no, we're not moving to Detroit where they seem to be giving houses away.
antiquie
(4,299 posts)to spite the Birchers, etc.
DFW
(56,779 posts)I am now mostly in a picturesque spot in the German Rheinland, less than 2 hours drive from Holland and Belgium, an hour's flight from the nearby (15 min. by car) Düsseldorf airport to Paris, Zürich, Prague, Warsaw, Copenhagen, London, Berlin, Munich, Vienna, etc. Less than 2 hours' flight to Barcelona, Budapest, Rome, Stockholm, Oslo, Zagreb, etc.
On the other hand, I miss out on much of what I like in the USA--the interesting people to be found in DC, NYC and Boston, New England in the summer, Hawaii in the winter, the Bay Area almost any time, even back in Dallas in the early spring or late fall when the temperature is tolerable.
We have one of our children 2 hours down the road in Frankfurt and the other in Manhattan. They have their own lives now, and both places have airports in any case.
Besides, I'm only 62, so I don't contemplate retiring any time in the next 15 years or so. At the end of the day, we'll probably end up doing the same thing we do now--jump around all over the place--until we can't any more. It runs in the family. My great grandmother invited me over for afternoon tea the first time I was in London at age 16. She was 88, and "happened to be in town at the same time." My dad never retired. Cancer retired him. He was a Washington journalist for over 50 years, and his last (and farewell) column appeared 8 days before he died.
For now, we're in an old medieval village outside Düsseldorf, near the Rhein River with a 1000 year old castle in our back yard. We have friends from the States who often come here to stay in our house when we're on Cape Cod, and think of it as their favorite vacation. Go figure.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)would love to be in Costa Rica or the Philippines. Although with China getting militarily active
, maybe just Costa Rica.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)I don't know what the cultural environment is -
anybody here live there or from there?
I wonder if as a single liberal female from NJ I would encounter hostility, or maybe nobody would really care.
I might find difficulty fitting in, but I don't care about that. To be able to afford to live on my paltry social security is my main goal. For sociability there is phone and e-mail.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)But it's also home to Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul. Plus, five of their six Representatives are Republican. My guess is that a single liberal female will not only be isolated, but there will be many, many cultural things that will not make you happy.
There are going to be lots of places with rents a third that of NJ. And sometimes, places reputed to be too expensive to afford simply are not so. I currently live in Santa Fe, NM, and all the people who live in Albuquerque and commute up here each day to work will assure you that they cannot possibly afford to live here. Really? When others who hold the same job as you do somehow manage to live here? They're paying a fortune on commuting in both money and time. The perception that Santa Fe is too expensive to live in is skewed by the multi-million dollar homes. But there are reasonably priced places here. I know. I bought one.
Anyway, I'd suggest you start looking at the kinds of places a single liberal female want to live in, and go from there. Heck, if all you want is cheap housing then Detroit's your city.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)and inexpensive housing not being the only motive.
also the strong community activism there.
I appreciate you responding, but I don't believe who the governor or senators are determine the cultural mein of an area.
They reflect only who votes.
the biggest negative that I have heard so far about this area in KY is that it might be home to some of the meth industry.
SheilaT
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determine the culture of an area.
Take Kansas. While a hunk of the northeastern part of the state is fairly liberal and Democratic voting, overall the state is full of crazy conservative Republicans and tea partiers. As a consequence, taxes have been cut to the point of destroying a lot of social services and the schools seem to be deteriorating, even the otherwise excellent ones in Johnson County. If you move to Johnson County you'd want to pay attention to exactly which part of the county you live in if you don't want to be smack in a neighborhood surrounded by fundamentalist nut cases.
I used to live there, so I know.
Anyway, I'm glad that you are looking at other things besides the cost of housing.
As an aside, I'm often driven crazy by people who decide that not having to shovel snow off their cars in the middle of winter makes any place perfect, and so they don't give much thought into where exactly the relocate to in retirement than that. While I certainly appreciate that not having to shovel snow off the car in winter is a wonderful thing, it's not the only thing a person should think about when moving.
I've always thought the advice to rent somewhere for a year before buying or at least deciding to live there permanently is good, it's not always practical. But if you've never been to that part of Kentucky, do your best to visit before you make the final decision.
Before I relocated from Kansas to New Mexico after a divorce, I made two different trips to scope out the landscape before making the final decision. One to the Pacific Northwest, another to a generous swath of the east coast. It very much helped me make my decision to come here.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)but it is a beautiful state.
I was in Taos, and Santa Fe once.
and drove by the Sangre de cristo mountains.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Every state has its good sides and its bad sides. What any of us find most desirable is highly personal.
Which is why I'm driven crazy by such things as "Best Places to Live". What I find important is very likely to be very different from what someone else finds important.
I think what really matters is that you pay attention. To lots of things.
My husband and I moved to Phoenix, AZ in 1983. It was okay, and at the time we hoped we'd stay there at most a year. Most of his co-workers felt that now that they didn't have to shovel snow off their cars in the winter, life was sweet. Not long after we moved there, an election took place. I can't recall what other offices were up for election, but the Mayor of Phoenix was the main one. And no matter which candidate won, Republican or Democrat, this race was important because it would represent a fundamental change in the power structure that had been running the state since 1948.
As soon as we moved there we registered to vote. We were aware of the upcoming election. We could have voted for our preferred political party, but chose not to, since we felt we didn't know the local issues very well. On election day my husband was out of town on a business trip, and when he called me that evening I told him that Terry Goddard (the Democratic candidate) had won. He said, "I'll let my co-workers know when I see them tomorrow." Those co-workers had lived in Phoenix seven and nine years respectively, and they felt that now that they didn't have to shovel snow off their cars in winter, life was as good as it could possibly be. So when my husband saw his co-workers and told them that Terry Goddard had won the election, they said, "Huh? What? What election?" For them, once they didn't have to shovel snow off their cars in winter nothing else mattered.
So here's my point. You absolutely must think about everything that matters to you in the place you want to live. It's not just climate or cost or a rental or any other one thing. There have been many times here on DU when I've thought, "There's a state you couldn't pay me to live in" and some other DU member gives an eloquent reason why that place is totally wonderful.
There are many places you could not pay me to live in. For you, those places may well be our perfect place to live. Which is why I try very hard to hold back on negative comments about any place.
I sincerely hope you figure out the perfect place for you.
stevonmfl
(2 posts)What is great about Alb is moderate weather, nice local folks and beautiful wide-open space. What is bad is the ongoing iffy water issues. We might get through the draught-ful future but just barely.
Naples in winter is terrific and surprisingly inexpensive (compared to So. Cal beach communities).
HOWEVER, we are now looking at Denver Co for the summer months in case water battles are lost.
Any advise on where to move to in Denver?
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)from late 1987 to mid 1990. Boulder was wonderful and I still haven't totally forgiven my ex for moving me from there to Kansas.
The Denver area is going to have its own water issues eventually, although probably not as quickly as the entire desert Southwest (Arizona, NM, California). Before I moved here to Santa Fe I thought very hard about the water issues, and decided to make the move anyway. My Get Out of Dodge plan is to relocate to the Portland area eventually. My younger son lives there and I also love that part of the country.
Actually, the only real advice I can give you about the Denver area is to go there multiple times, drive around a lot, do actual house or apartment hunting, and the like. Personally, if I were ever to move back there I'd want a place with a good view of the mountains, but I got spoiled by living where I did. I often say that Boulder is the only place I've ever known that looks exactly like its picture postcards.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)and I want out. I've had enough sunshine and summer to last me four life times. I can retire next year but family might keep me here.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)I live in the Los Angeles area and want to end up in Oregon or New Mexico, I think. I'm now 50 and starting to research and explore. CA is too damn hot, crowded, and expensive. I have an older brother who will probably retire to Baja or something. Everyone else in my family is dead....
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I am planning to retire to the Netherlands.
I have a girlfriend who lives in the Netherlands. She is in the college town of Wageningen, about a 1.5 hour bus/train ride from Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam.
I got back from my vacation there, and am quite impressed with the country, its people, the history there, the infrastructure, and a lot of other things.
I have been researching how to get a residency permit to live there, get my pension there, get a house there, and other stuff. There may be a few stumbling blocks, but I have between 2.5 and 5 years to work that out.
Hopefully, if I do my homework, I will be able to retire there.
They are so far ahead of the US in many ways that it makes the US look like a second rate place.
Prices for goods are on par with the US, with the exception of taxes and gasoline. Taxes are higher, but they take care of their people much better than we do here. Gasoline is roughly twice what it is here, but the small cars get great gas mileage, and I don't drive a big car any way.
Public transportation is great, not expensive, and on time. Trains, trams and buses are all modern and comfortable.
The attitude of the people is much more tolerant and progressive than they are here.
Yes, there some things that are a bit different, but not really. The more I think about it, it may be different, but it's the same.
One of my big hurdles will be learning Dutch. In the 2.5 weeks that I was there, I picked up simple phrases, and could go to a shop and buy something and conduct the exchange in Dutch, so I think that it will not be too much of a problem.
Another thing that will be a hurdle, will be getting my pension direct deposited there. It seems that the US has put some road blocks in the way of Americans getting accounts overseas, but I am sure that I can overcome them.
All in all, at 59, I have met someone who I want to spend the rest of my life with, in a place that is much more progressive than the place that I live, so I will do what I can to get my butt there and finish out my life in a better place than I can here.
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whathehell
(29,854 posts)I live in Chicago now, which I LOVE, but the winters are getting to be too much.
During this last November and December, the sun shone -- I kid you not --
for exactly ONE full day. Two half days, to be precise.
The lack of sun (caused in part, I'm told, by Lake Michigan) bothers me even
more than the cold, which is, of course, also abundantly present. 
olddots
(10,237 posts)L.A. is the most ageist place I've ever been and its the most materialistic too .
Java
(82 posts)I want to retire and live on a farm and work with draft horses.
Living in California is not my cup of tea.
Number9Dream
(1,654 posts)Developers have bullied zoning boards into allowing them to cover the once nice Lehigh Valley with warehouses and housing developments. What were once farms are now covered with macadam. Traffic is horrendous. PennDOT is the worst run organization on the planet. Property taxes are astronomical. I'm presently living outside of Nazareth, with some remaining woods behind my house (for now).
Winters mean freezing rain, ice, and much snow to battle with. Summers are hot and humid with lots of mosquitoes and stinkbugs. We don't get much Spring or Fall anymore.
The Lehigh Valley was gerrymandered, with Dem leaning Easton cut out of the 15th district for the first time ever. The Allentown Morning Call and WFMZ-TV are very Republican leaning.
If I live long enough to retire in a few years, we're thinking about moving to the Southeast or Southwest, but I'm definitely out of PA... Maybe living in an RV or cabin cruiser and moving with the seasons.
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TexasBushwhacker
(20,726 posts)It's quite pleasant 3 months out of the year, but all the ozone action days in the summer wipe me out. Since it's not going to get any cooler or less polluted, I just don't know if I can stay here. But I'm not fond of the short winter days in higher latitudes.
Any suggestions?
Auggie
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(and as long as I can afford it).
El Supremo
(20,382 posts)BTW it was 101° in Arlington today. 
Auggie
(31,868 posts)11 innings.
Auggie
(31,868 posts)Hamels pitched well. But any bullpen that surrenders three doubles and a single, all in a row, then back-to-back homers in extra innings, deserves to lose. Rubber game today.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)to explore Europe. I am working on getting my EU passport as well. This way as a dual citizen, I can go freely over there.
Mary Mac
(341 posts)I moved back home.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Retireing anywhere but right where I am. Ut after November I may have to rethink that.
jumptheshadow
(3,312 posts)Brooklyn. When I was working, I was focused on my job. I didn't really notice that there are a lot of retirees in my neighborhood or realize that, with all the delivery services available here, we already have a form of "assisted living." Add to that the proximity of airports, trains and ports, and it's a pretty darn good place to retire.
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