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Related: About this forumDo you see a "doctor" or PA or NP?
PA - Physician's Assistant
NP - Nurse Practitioner
I haven't seen my doctor in 2 or 3 years.
I've had several office visits for one thing or another, but I don't see her any more.
I don't like that.
Here's a primer on PA vs NP:
https://nursing.usc.edu/blog/np-vs-pa/
leftieNanner
(15,689 posts)But sometimes I see the NP. He's very good.
but saw his PA when he was out of the office (6? months ago returned some weeks later to see him.
Wounded Bear
(60,681 posts)but she does a good job. I know she's not a Doctor because some things don't get done without a consultation.
Other than that, I have no problem. I figure most nurses, after a few years on the job, could do 75% of what a doctor does anyway when it comes to general stuff that comes up in standard office visits.
When I had Kaiser back in the 80's-90's was the first time I saw NPs instead of "real" doctors. It never really bothered me.
I'm at the VA now, and this is how they do it. It helps the GPs handle more patients in more of a supervisory role.
doc03
(36,697 posts)I have to pay for a specialist and get a PA.
safeinOhio
(34,069 posts)Starting to like my new GP. Shes a DO and cured my hives. Suffered for years and been to the ER a few times. She prescribed an asthma drug, I dont have asthma, and have not had a hive yet. Singular. See her PA next month for my senior wellness check up.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)PA for general stuff, MD cardiologist.
In general I'm very happy with both.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)So much of primary care nowadays relies on protocols, lab tests and specialists for things difficult to manage. Just about anyone can read lab tests and refer you to an appropriate specialist.
Most conditions can be easily treated, and a high percentage of the issues most of us seek care for will likely self-correct given a little time.
Its not until you are involved with someone in a serious healthcare crisis parent, child, yourself that you realize doctors arent miracle workers, especially if a bunch of organs/conditions are involved.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,663 posts)Young African American doctor and she is fantastic.
Skittles
(159,240 posts)I'm fine with them
I would not like it if I NEVER saw the doc though.
Jirel
(2,259 posts)PAs and NPs are not the equivalent of MDs unless you need a band-aid. I work with people with disabilities. Many of them are in the bad shape they are because theyve been treated by PAs and NPs for years, exclusively or nearly so. Their diabetes is crap. Their treatable musculoskeletal issues arent left untreated as theyre told they just need to live with it. Seizure disorders are uncontrolled as patients are told Oh, try one more month on these meds... rather than being sent to the neurologist to try something else because the regimen simply isnt working. It goes on and on. The only - and I do mean the ONLY - time Ive seen PAs work well is in extremely specialized settings, for visits that are purely for cardiac, pulmonary, etc. retests. They can be just fine for scheduled testing and going over therapies.
I made the mistake a handful of times in my life of letting them set me up with an NP or PA in an emergency. Every one was a laughable failure.
- I fell off 7 inch heels in the ice at a club and hurt my elbow badly. The NP was available to order an x-ray. She called me back to tell me my arm was broken. It was complete fiction, and NOT the findings on the x-ray. An orthopedist let me know that it was a bruised nerve, several days later.
- I had an exposure to very active TB at work and needed a Mantoux test. NP did fine administering it, but another one had no clue how to read the result several days later, and hemmed and hawed until a doc came to sort it out.
- I finally said no more, and refused to sign the agreement at my clinic to allow any NP or PA to treat me. My doc had put me on blood pressure meds for the first time in my life, during a period of gruesome stress when I started having bad BP spikes when emotionally triggered, like my mother developed late in life. Months later, with stressors resolved and BPs always low or normal, I developed a known but less common side effect to the PM dose. I took myself off the bedtime dose for a week, the side effects vanished immediately, and my BPs were rock solid. So I called my doc to make it official that I would still be on the AM dose, but drop the PM. (The plan had been to get me off completely in a few months, BTW.) The NP did everything she could to avoid giving my message to the doc. She finally suggested the stupidity of Why dont you take your whole dose in the AM instead? Excuse me, but my BP was perfect on this dose - no need to double it! I told her to butt out, and got to my doc, who said it was great, so lets kill the PM dose and just keep monitoring for a month before we call it permanent.
Just dont do it to yourself. Get a doc, and insist on that doc. Especially if youve been out of medical care a few years, do ONLY an MD. If, in the course of working with that doc, you discover that the doc has a fabulous NP or PA, and all the diagnostics and treatment tweaks are done so you only need occasional monitoring checks, then maybe occasionally see THAT fabulous NP or PA but dont let them switch you to any others. Medical personnel are not fungible. You find the one thats good, and you keep that one.
3Hotdogs
(13,394 posts)She's been at it for 20 years now. Yale Med School.
On her third week on the job, she saved a kid's life. Kid showed up with some unusual symptoms. Coincidentally, E. had just attended a presentation on that disease. She took a few minutes to look at the kid and told the mother to take her immediately to the E.R. and have them check for (whatever).
Days later, Mom came into the walk in clinic and reported that the E.R. people said that a delay would have cost the kid's life.
Would have been truly fucked if I hadn't complained to the admin. about how the PA was handling my problems.
The River
(2,615 posts)Dr. and NP at the VA. I also see a Naturopath, Nutritionist and Acupuncturist all rolled into one. When speed counts, a Doc-in-a-box will do.
Check your states' "patient bill of rights" if you think something is amiss.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)I have seen both in the past but in the last few years my doctor sees me for the annual checkups. If I have to go in without much notice and they have to work me in, I usually see a PA or a NP.
I don't mind - in 2017 a visit with the NP probably saved my life. I'd had shortness of breath for several years. She noticed a heart murmur which the doctor had not seen at a previous visit only a few months earlier. I was sent to a cardiologist and underwent a series of tests that showed a calcified aortic valve which needed to be replaced - only 40% of the blood was making its way through!
More tests on the way to getting a replacement valve showed a mass on my left kidney that would not have been found in time otherwise. Normally by the time the cancer showed symptoms, it would have spread. Because the heart tests and scans showed it early, they were able to remove the kidney before that.
If it had not been for that NP, not only would my "shortness of breath" worsened until I had heart damage, the cancer would have killed me. I will happily see whichever medical professional they have available.
lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)I canceled my last appointment with the pulmonologist because I was pissed he hadn't seen me in 3 years - I always saw his NP. Makes you feel like they don't give a shit about you.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,762 posts)here's another "doctor"