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(48,813 posts)
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:20 PM Mar 2023

Thousands of Retirees Can't Withdraw Savings Invested in Firms Controlled by Indicted Financier Greg

(Cross posting from Personal Finance Group)

Thousands of Retirees Can’t Withdraw Savings Invested in Firms Controlled by Indicted Financier Greg Lindberg

Mark Zintel, a retiree who lives near Tampa, Fla., is furious that $700,000 in annuities he bought from an insurer have been frozen for almost four years. He is one of tens of thousands of people whose money was rendered unreachable as the empire of self-described billionaire Greg Lindberg slowly imploded. Many may never recover a portion of their money, and some have died while waiting.

Mr. Lindberg, meanwhile, moved nearby and lives in luxury. He moors his 214-foot yacht near Tampa and recently bought a 10-bedroom estate and another spacious house in the area. The 52-year-old executive was indicted last month on federal charges that he defrauded his insurers by lending $2 billion of their funds to companies in his private conglomerate, while allegedly siphoning off huge sums to finance his lavish lifestyle. He has pleaded not guilty and is out on bail. Until last July, Mr. Lindberg was in federal prison on bribery charges related to the insurers. He was released after 21 months when an appeals court overturned the conviction. A retrial is scheduled for November.

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What rankles Mr. Zintel and others is that they believe Mr. Lindberg is using their money to fight his legal entanglements, allowing him to continue living extravagantly even as they cut back. Among the alleged extravagances: The divorced executive has spent millions of dollars on gifts for women, according to court documents, including paying some women to produce offspring for him. Some 70,000 holders of annuities totaling $2.2 billion are unable to withdraw their money, filings show. Many are retirees or conservative investors who bought five- to seven-year annuities in 2017 and 2018. Financial advisers typically marketed them as a safe, higher-yielding alternative to bank CDs.

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A spokesman for Citizens Bank, which sold the annuities to many customers, declined to comment on specific clients but called the overall situation a “large-scale fraud” and said it has offered help to those in hardship. Like bank accounts, life-insurance products are insured, in this instance by industry-funded guaranty associations that typically protect annuity owners up to $250,000. There’s a rub: Consumers aren’t paid until insurers are put into liquidation, a move that Mr. Lindberg is opposing.

Even if the insurers go into liquidation, some 1,600 annuity owners wouldn’t be fully covered, because they collectively invested about $250 million more than their state’s reimbursement caps, filings show. North Carolina regulators say they are optimistic they can fill most, if not all, of that gap through pending legal actions against Mr. Lindberg.

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Thousands of Retirees Can't Withdraw Savings Invested in Firms Controlled by Indicted Financier Greg (Original Post) question everything Mar 2023 OP
No problem! Eventually justice will arrive, no need to be impatient, as we are regularly reminded lostnfound Mar 2023 #1
I'll bet most "justice delayed" complainers will be aghast to learn that where I live, sanatanadharma Mar 2023 #2
Crimes committed in the morning, and criminals are tried, convicted and Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #3
You are right. Sometimes it takes a few days sanatanadharma Mar 2023 #4
A few days? That would be just as interesting. Any links? Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #5
I find this new story tonight sanatanadharma Mar 2023 #7
I had no idea you were talking about another country. I thought you were saying this Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #8
Truly awful. Pinback Mar 2023 #6

lostnfound

(16,643 posts)
1. No problem! Eventually justice will arrive, no need to be impatient, as we are regularly reminded
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 04:51 AM
Mar 2023

And if anyone is feeling impatient with the pace of that Justice, they don’t understand the complexity of the issue, or the need to have an airtight case.
Anyone who is feeling impatient is unfairly attacking a prosecutor or a judge or the hardworking men and women in some agency.
Because Justice delayed is equal to Justice arriving on time.

sanatanadharma

(4,074 posts)
2. I'll bet most "justice delayed" complainers will be aghast to learn that where I live,
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 05:53 AM
Mar 2023

I'll bet most "justice delayed" complainers will be aghast to learn that where I live, I regularly read about crimes committed in the morning wherein the criminals are found, tried, convicted and jailed before nightfall.

Not all crimes and criminals, mind you, but enough to make a North American sit up and pay attention.
Could it be that some fast convictions are unwarranted? Or is fast always better than certain?

Scrivener7

(52,749 posts)
3. Crimes committed in the morning, and criminals are tried, convicted and
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:50 AM
Mar 2023

jailed before nightfall?

Really?

Do link us up to a few of those.

Extra points if the criminal is white and rich.

sanatanadharma

(4,074 posts)
4. You are right. Sometimes it takes a few days
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 10:17 AM
Mar 2023

As I said, "Not all crimes and criminals, mind you"

Money works here too.

sanatanadharma

(4,074 posts)
7. I find this new story tonight
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:45 PM
Mar 2023

Caught with drugs on Friday
Reported Monday to have been condemned to 3 years in jail.

https://www.subrayado.com.uy/vendia-drogas-un-omnibus-y-fue-condenada-tres-anos-carcel-n911343

Una mujer fue condenada a tres años de cárcel por vender drogas arriba de un ómnibus de trabajadores zafrales en Salto.

La condenada fue descubierta el pasado viernes, cuando en un operativo realizado por la Policía local y la Guardia Republicana, pararon un ómnibus que transportaa 45 trabajadores que venían de un establecimiento rural del sector citrícola e incautaron una mochila con 1,2 Kilo de pasta base, 200 g de cocaína prontos para su venta, además de 30.000 pesos uruguayos.

Las personas del ómnibus fueron derivadas a la Fiscalía de 4to Turno de Salto y luego de haberle tomado declaraciones, la mujer terminó condenada por la Justicia por tráfico y transporte de estupefacientes a la pena de 3 años de penitenciaría.

Scrivener7

(52,749 posts)
8. I had no idea you were talking about another country. I thought you were saying this
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 09:13 PM
Mar 2023

happens in the US.

When you said "where I live" I thought you were talking about a different experience of the same country.

Hence my reaction. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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