Armed Black Protesters Cause Cleveland Police To Call For “Temporary Suspension of Second Amendment”

[Stellar]

More: Counter Current News

The head of Cleveland’s largest police union has just called on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state’s open carry gun laws and the Second Amendment during this week’s Republican National Convention.

This call comes as members of various Black “Open Carry” and self-defense organizations began arriving in the city.

When various “gun rights” groups, with predominantly pro-Republican agendas and predominantly Caucasian members said they planned to show up, there was still no call from the police. Suddenly, as more and more African American armed protesters began checking in on the streets of Cleveland, the police made the call to the governor.

“We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something – I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point,” Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, audaciously said.

Ohio police, like police in every other state, are sworn to uphold not only the federal and state constitutions, but also the laws of the state they work in. This was a clear call for the police to write the laws themselves, on the fly.

“They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over,” he continued.

State law in Ohio allows legal firearm owners to carry their weapons in public. In fact, this is in the Ohio state constitution itself. There’s no getting around that, even by a proposed executive order.

More astonishingly, this shows how little even the higher ups in the Cleveland police understand the way the law actually works.

With the small exception of a so-called “secure zone” set up inside and around the Quicken Loans Arena, protesters are legally allowed to walk around the city – including within its 1.7 square mile regulated “event zone” – with any firearm that is legal in the state.

Kasich, for his part, responding to the request, saying: “Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested.”

[chillfactor]

1. chicken-hearted Kasich...

what will he say if someone gets shot?

[tonyt53]

4. I don't care for Kasich, but there isn't a damned thing he can do.

The lawmakers in the state made that bed, now everybody that goes into Ohio have to lie in it.

[JustAnotherGen]

6. Amen

He's following the law.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. I hope he says

Donald Trump 'got rid of me and this is his fault'


http://elections.ap.org/content/trump-rally-violence-offers-kasich-fresh-chance-contrast

Or - I hope he says -

"What did Trump expect from a baby and absentee governor?"
Same Link as Above

Trump called Kasich "a baby" at a rally in Dayton, Ohio, on Saturday morning, adding "he's not tough enough" to be president. On Twitter, Trump slammed Kasich for backing free trade deals, calling him "good for Mexico." He's running a new ad in Ohio that says Kasich "gave Ohio Obamacare," a reference to Kasich's decision to expand Medicaid under President Barack Obama's health care law.

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. Who didn't see this coming ...

not unlike after Reconstruction, when states and communities made Black gun ownership unlawful.

That said, I would be happy if Kasich took the call a step farther ... and permanently "suspended" open-carry.

[JustAnotherGen]

5. Except - I think John Kasich is basically fair

To me - he was the greatest threat to a Democratic Party President taking office in 2017.

Have you ever seen the exit polls from his Governor's race? Or who gave him who newspaper endorsements?

http://www.cnn.com/election/2014/results/state/OH/governor/


I'm not saying I *love* the guy - but he is trying to follow the rule of law. I almost feel like they (the Trump campaign) are trying to make him clean up THEIR mess.

He was pretty clearly disgusted with the vile crap that came out of Trump's mouth, has refused to endorse, and won't be present.

Do I want gun violence there? NO! Nope! Hell to the no!

I don't want innocent people to be hurt.

But he didn't let the genie out of the bottle. Trump did. It's his problem. He needs to go explain himself to the local PD.

[1StrongBlackMan]

11. Being from Ohio, I have long known of ...

and wrote on this board that I feared his candidacy. As I wrote, Kasich knows how to tell white folks "Yes" without pissing off Black folks ... and he knows how to tell Black folks "Yes" without pissing off white folks. And he knows how to tell both groups "No" without being cast as the devil.

That is a rare political quality.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. Yep

So what does this guy do in a situation like this?

[1StrongBlackMan]

16. Since I have a Sister that lives less than 5 miles from the convention center ...

I hope ... no, pray ... no suspends open-carry, as it will be unevenly enforced ... And that will be the match tossed into the tender-box.

[JustAnotherGen]

17. I don't want people hurt

But I think - based upon Trumps many calls to violence ALREADY answered . . . things need to be even. *sigh*

[tblue37]

9. Ronald Reagan signed a gun control law in CA because the Black Panthers started carrying

guns to defend their communities.

SNIP

Among other things, the Black Panthers’ agenda involved taking up arms and patrolling their communities to protect against rampant racism in policing. And that’s what they did in the first few months of the party’s existence, carrying guns openly in compliance with California law, driving around their neighborhoods, observing arrests and other law enforcement activity — effectively policing the police. Newton was even known for packing a law book alongside his rifle that he’d recite from when informing an officer that a civilian’s rights were being violated <emphasis added>.

The patrols weren’t meant to encourage violence. The Panthers were committed to using force only if it was used against them, and at first, their mere presence appeared to be working as a check on abusive policing. But the Panthers’ willful assertion of their rights — like the day Newton reportedly stood up to a cop in front of a crowd of black onlookers — was unacceptable to white authority figures who’d come to expect complete deference from black communities, and who were happy to use fear and force to extract it.

SNIP

As the rest of the group waited nearby, six Panthers entered the assembly chamber, where they found lawmakers mid-session. Some legislators reportedly saw the protesters and took cover under desks. It was the last straw: Police finally ordered the protesters to leave the premises. The group maintained they were within their rights to be in the Capitol with their guns, but eventually they exited peacefully.

SNIP

Mulford’s legislation, which became known as the “Panthers Bill,” passed with the support of the National Rifle Association, which apparently believed that the whole “good guy with a gun” thing didn’t apply to black people. California Gov. Ronald Reagan (R), who would later campaign for president as a steadfast defender of the Second Amendment, signed the bill into law <emphasis added>.

SNIP

[tblue37]

14. 1SBM, perhaps black protesters will be the ones who finally

force the US to consider rational gun legislation.

After all, that is how it worked in California, even though the Black Panthers were actually not trying to get gun legislation passed, but rather carrying weapons specifically to defend their communities against racist aggression.

Since white Americans wet their pants at the mere thought of black men with guns, it is just possible that black men will be the ones to rescue us from the insanity of the NRA program of all guns everywhere at all times. If a rational approach to gun regulation ever comes about in the US, I suspect we will have black men to thank for it.

(And if that ever happens, those who favor reasonable gun control should have the decency to give credit where credit is due.)

[awake]

3. Strange if this had been white tea baggers the NRA would be all over it

Seem like the NRA only stands up for whites guys gun rights.

[tblue37]

10. See my post #9 above. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. We have a long and (dis)honorable history of disarming Black folks ...

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=916 (sorry for the source)

[underpants]

7. Yep. I was wondering why the police took so long to request this.

Now I understand why.

[HassleCat]

13. In a nutshell

"I don't care if it's constitutional or not."

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. Several thoughts here ...

1) Until the passage of the XIV Amendment, the Constitution was never intended to apply to Black folks ... this call is a mere extension of the past;

2) "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

And, ignoring the above:

3) Public Safety is a well recognized grounds for restricting/regulating the Constitution. (See: Yelling fire in a theater/1st Amendment)

[HassleCat]

19. Problem is

There has to be a specific threat, not just a general possibility that public safety might be compromised. When the armed black citizens and the armed white citizens actually confront each other, there may be cause to impose special restrictions.

[1StrongBlackMan]

20. No a specific threat is NOT required ...

merely a likelihood of danger to the public, if the/a restriction/limitation is not applied. (See: TSA and the IV Amendment)

[HassleCat]

21. Why TSA can search you without a warrant

First, you volunteer to have your person and your baggage searched, according to the fine print on your airline ticket. Second, it's a an administrative search, not a legal or criminal search, making it difficult to prosecute you if they find dope or drug money. That's how they sidestep the 4th Amendment.

If all we required was a reasonable likelihood of danger to the public, we would never allow anyone to carry firearms to public gatherings. There is a higher threshold than that. If the two groups start talking smack to each other, that might do it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. Your first statement is true, the second is not ...

the third is already occurring.

[Basement Beat]

23. So many years and so much blood shed in this country...

yet we STILL aren't viewed as humans and citizens.

[Ellen Forradalom]

24. I got blasted in GD for saying as much

"Preposterous" was used twice. But it seems pretty obvious to me that my black compatriots are stateless persons under police rule.