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sheshe2

(87,493 posts)
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:34 AM Aug 2016

Rolling Stone exposé:The GOP’s secret scheme begins purge of a million minority voters from voter ro

The Rolling Stone story by journalist and author Greg Palast examines Crosscheck, a Kobach project that Palast calls “the culmination of a decade-long Republican effort to disenfranchise voters under the guise of battling voter fraud.” The Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program is ostensibly designed to target a virtually nonexistent form of voter fraud. In reality, it helps promote the Right Wing's bogus voter fraud narrative, which in turn provides justification for otherwise unjustifiable laws that restrict voting. In the worst case scenario, Crosscheck could lead to thousands of people, predominantly people of color and young voters, being wrongly purged from voting rolls in advance of November’s election.

(above is from right wing watch, below is link to greg's site which has a link to his article in RS, they are stealing the election, again)


Rolling Stone exposé: The GOP’s secret scheme begins purge
of a million minority voters from voter rolls


http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-expose-gops-secret-plan-steal-vote/

Please Read

Direct Link:
BumRushDaShow


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890




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Rolling Stone exposé:The GOP’s secret scheme begins purge of a million minority voters from voter ro (Original Post) sheshe2 Aug 2016 OP
I'm no longer a practicing attorney piechartking Aug 2016 #1
I wish you could latch onto a voting rights project too. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #12
It's not all that surprising when you realize deep down they are dedicated fascists Major Nikon Aug 2016 #19
Check with your state licensing authority, marybourg Aug 2016 #27
Thanks for the tip! piechartking Aug 2016 #28
Pie the best part of Retirement Protalker Aug 2016 #30
Maybe we should look back to the end of WW2 and remember asjr Aug 2016 #33
Organize agroup of people who are and go after them. Coyotl Aug 2016 #39
They've been doing it for years. elleng Aug 2016 #51
Here is the thing - you should not have to do this Cosmocat Aug 2016 #57
2012 - PA was a nail biter JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #60
id wish you would sue as a concerned citizen allan01 Aug 2016 #61
It's at the point where every registered voter should confirm active status to vote no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #2
Great point, nh! sheshe2 Aug 2016 #13
True that, but this is happening in areas with concentrated liberal voters. Focus there first. Coyotl Aug 2016 #38
"According to our analysis, the Crosscheck list disproportionately threatens Hortensis Aug 2016 #56
This is totally freaking me out! pandora nm Aug 2016 #3
I'm freaked out, too. Granny M Aug 2016 #14
I wish I knew why they are so silent LiberalLovinLug Aug 2016 #17
Part of me thinks awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #18
In on it and don't give a damn..Money talks SammyWinstonJack Aug 2016 #24
there have been Dems fighting this for years, it just does not make the news enough: bettyellen Aug 2016 #64
Greg was on Joy this AM - DURHAM D Aug 2016 #4
Thanks, sheshe2 Aug 2016 #5
Thanks! Here is a direct link to the video pandora nm Aug 2016 #8
Here is the youtube version Gothmog Aug 2016 #45
That's the segment that has folks mouth open... This is some sick shit and real uponit7771 Aug 2016 #32
"Republicans don't want to govern, they want to rule." ~Molly Ivins CrispyQ Aug 2016 #6
Molly had it right! sheshe2 Aug 2016 #7
Here is a direct link to Rolling Stone's article BumRushDaShow Aug 2016 #9
Thanks, BRDS~ sheshe2 Aug 2016 #10
What I Feel Towards Republicans Is Way Beyond Hate Yallow Aug 2016 #11
Like he said in the interview, Granny M Aug 2016 #15
We have had lots of elections that do not pass the smell test Botany Aug 2016 #16
Saxby Chambliss over Max Cleland in Georgia in 2002 DFW Aug 2016 #42
Donald Seigelman Alabama 2002 Botany Aug 2016 #62
why aren't democrats doing the same thing? ArcticFox Aug 2016 #20
Good question but nope JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #22
I read about this the other day. ananda Aug 2016 #21
The Left needs an Assange JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #23
Know anyone up to the job? sheshe2 Aug 2016 #25
Some people say (sheshe post afam group) JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #58
You can't see me in the group? sheshe2 Aug 2016 #69
I figured out a way to see latest posts JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #70
Glitch in the system. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #71
We just watched "Selma" yesterday evening caballojm Aug 2016 #26
One significant problem is no national law regulates voting practices: each state does its own thing Ford_Prefect Aug 2016 #29
Kick this all over the country Hekate Aug 2016 #31
You have to push aside the multitude kacekwl Aug 2016 #34
secret? the gnewz media ate their BS votER fraud. ignoring CHEATING by the GOP to stay in power. pansypoo53219 Aug 2016 #35
Better pay attention...... suston96 Aug 2016 #36
Lawsuits targeting the persons doing this are needed. Lots and lots of lawsuits. Coyotl Aug 2016 #37
+1, this shit is the true anti American actions... In close races it tips the scales uponit7771 Aug 2016 #40
Spot on, Coyotl. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #41
Well their methodology sounds interesting. DirkGently Aug 2016 #43
I found the Crosscheck "Memorandum of Understanding" (MOU) from 2013 pandora nm Aug 2016 #44
Thanks, pandora. I see the repugs are trying to push it here in PA. Mc Mike Aug 2016 #46
It's my understanding that PA has a Democratic SoS pandora nm Aug 2016 #49
I don't know what his motivations could be. Mc Mike Aug 2016 #65
Add Bigtree's info from Salon article, about PA P.L. 333, Act No. 320 Mc Mike Oct 2016 #75
That is shocking. Granny M Aug 2016 #55
We have to protect every vote. It's the American way. rec, nt. Mc Mike Aug 2016 #47
What I don't understand is why the Dems don't fight back like they could & should and a lot of this EV_Ares Aug 2016 #48
"All original data will be securely destroyed upon completion of the project" Ligyron Aug 2016 #50
That's where the Justice Department should be looking JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #59
Maybe Trump has the rigged election right, he can say the big percentage of POC vote Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #52
I'm waiting for Trump to tell his supporters to make their women stay home. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #53
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #54
It would only take Democrats trying to do this to everyone named Smith, Jones, Williams, & Johnson ProfessorPlum Aug 2016 #63
WTH!? sheshe2 Aug 2016 #67
I guess I should qualify this ProfessorPlum Aug 2016 #68
Thank you for clarfying. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #73
I agree with him sheshe JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #72
I just saw the clarification. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #74
What is the purpose of government lsewpershad Aug 2016 #66

piechartking

(617 posts)
1. I'm no longer a practicing attorney
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:40 AM
Aug 2016

But when I read articles like this, I just wish so bad I could latch on to some voting right's project or civil rights nonprofit and just kick the crap out of these threats to civil liberty.

It's disgusting (literally I get nauseated) that the Republicans would rather win like this instead of actually trying to ask themselves why they have to win like that, and make corrections that are actually for the benefit of the country.

Oh well, until that day, it's our duty to be vigilant and ruthless in stamping out these undemocratic actions.

sheshe2

(87,493 posts)
12. I wish you could latch onto a voting rights project too.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:39 PM
Aug 2016

Gah! This makes me so angry, you know you can't win, so steal!

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
19. It's not all that surprising when you realize deep down they are dedicated fascists
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:56 PM
Aug 2016

Winning fairly doesn't even enter into their moral equation. The only thing that matters is pushing their supremacist agenda.

marybourg

(13,181 posts)
27. Check with your state licensing authority,
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:15 PM
Aug 2016

and/or bar association. Many have programs for retired attorneys.

Protalker

(418 posts)
30. Pie the best part of Retirement
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:39 PM
Aug 2016

Is we can choose who and where we give our time to. I work with felons on heroin. I am retired but I give my time because both they and I benefit
Think about it.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
33. Maybe we should look back to the end of WW2 and remember
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 02:09 PM
Aug 2016

There was an East Germany and a West Germany for several years. We could easily become the same thing.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
39. Organize agroup of people who are and go after them.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 03:04 PM
Aug 2016

You could be the boss instead of lead counsel

elleng

(136,064 posts)
51. They've been doing it for years.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 07:07 PM
Aug 2016

I offered to help counsel in OH some years ago, but was unable to help much.

Repigs are the worst.

Cosmocat

(14,961 posts)
57. Here is the thing - you should not have to do this
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:34 AM
Aug 2016

of feel compelled to do it.

If there is ONE god darned thing the people of this country should not ever accept having it screwed with, it is our franchise.

But, people in this country are so darn fat and distracted (figuratively) that they could almost completely care less.

I live in Pa where our asshole Republicans hammered in a voter ID law when we had Corbett as governor, and this state almost literally could have cared less. There was no mass revolt over it, and no republican lost his seat in the state house or senate over it.

Thankfully, we did have advocacy groups that challenged it in the court and over the course of a few years the courts completely rejected it.

But, it really should not have to come to that.

If the people don't value their vote enough to fight to keep it ...

JustAnotherGen

(33,561 posts)
60. 2012 - PA was a nail biter
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:33 AM
Aug 2016

2016 - do people even KNOW to nail bite?

The key component in all of this -

It's being done in the shadows.

No one knows to fight - because they don't know they are at war with an evil element who wishes to 'rule them'.


Now they know.

Hopefully so - but I highly doubt the 24 hour news channels will cover the story.

This needs to be on network news.

no_hypocrisy

(48,793 posts)
2. It's at the point where every registered voter should confirm active status to vote
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:47 AM
Aug 2016

90 days or less before the election.
And get it in writing.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
38. True that, but this is happening in areas with concentrated liberal voters. Focus there first.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 03:03 PM
Aug 2016

The Republicans are being very selective in where they are removing voters from the rolls, as in VERY RACIST.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
56. "According to our analysis, the Crosscheck list disproportionately threatens
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:17 AM
Aug 2016

solid Democratic constituencies: young, black, Hispanic and Asian-American voters – with some of the biggest possible purges underway in Ohio and North Carolina, two crucial swing states with tight Senate races." - from Palast's Rolling Stone article.

There's no doubt today's GOP has very strong white supremacist elements, but it has even stronger money and power elements. THIS scheme very, very focused on winning elections and gaining power. If taking out white conservatives was the way to power, they'd do that.

 

pandora nm

(63 posts)
3. This is totally freaking me out!
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:47 AM
Aug 2016

Why aren't the Dems screaming bloody murder about this??

This article has been posted on DU at least twice that I know of, and the threads just sank.

Tens of thousands of Dems are going to show up to vote in swing states only to find out they have been purged from the voter rolls.

There is also a Palast interview with Thom Hartmann from last week.



(the skype video is bad, but the audio is perfect)

must listen


Granny M

(1,395 posts)
14. I'm freaked out, too.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:41 PM
Aug 2016

If they can cheat in a handful of key swing states we could lose this. I'm sure Clinton will win the popular vote, but it won't matter if they steal enough EC votes.
I really hope the campaign is all over this.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,375 posts)
17. I wish I knew why they are so silent
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:49 PM
Aug 2016

On issues surrounding voting...another one is the continued use of proven hackable Republican privately owned, voting machines to decide results.

There should at least be a concerted effort, if this kind of shenanigans can't be stopped, to make a loud public statement by the Democratic leadership to make Americans aware that this is going on and to go make sure you are registered and able to vote in November. And if not, find out why and fix it. And maybe also report the incident.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
18. Part of me thinks
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:56 PM
Aug 2016

that they think that one day the shoe will be on the other foot, then they can stick it to republicans. Another part of me thinks that they are in on it and don't give a damn, because their owners don't pay them to care

CrispyQ

(38,264 posts)
6. "Republicans don't want to govern, they want to rule." ~Molly Ivins
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:05 PM
Aug 2016

They fear diversity. They want to rule.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
11. What I Feel Towards Republicans Is Way Beyond Hate
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:39 PM
Aug 2016

And my EXTREME hatred for all, and everything Republican is JUSTIFIED.

Just ask Kathryn Harris, and her 100,000 minority voter purge in Florida in 2000. Palast covered it.

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
15. Like he said in the interview,
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:44 PM
Aug 2016

he uncovered it as Bush was sworn in. If we don't get on top of this now, it could be too late.

Sorry if I sound hysterical. I very nearly am.

Botany

(72,481 posts)
16. We have had lots of elections that do not pass the smell test
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:45 PM
Aug 2016

bush v Gore
bush v Kerry
Brownback's win in Kansas
last year's KY governors race
Scott Walker's recall election in Wisconsin
Rick Scott in FL
the michigan's governor's race


The republicans know that the demographic #s are against them so they have to cheat to
stay in power. Democratic leadership on both the state and national levels know this too.

But "they" can't rig a blow out.

Botany

(72,481 posts)
62. Donald Seigelman Alabama 2002
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 08:56 AM
Aug 2016

He is still sitting in jail because he called out a stolen election.

ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
20. why aren't democrats doing the same thing?
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:59 PM
Aug 2016

This has been going on for years, and all anyone in the D side ever does is whine and try to mitigate by getting word out.

Getting the word out won't help with most of those who can be successfully and wrongly purged.

Obviously, it's perfectly legal, so why can't our side do the same? There are doubtless countless republican voters who would fail to respond to targeted mailings.

I'd be happy to help if there are any donors out there to help pay for the effort.

JustAnotherGen

(33,561 posts)
58. Some people say (sheshe post afam group)
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:23 AM
Aug 2016

That assange IS on the left. Go figure!

BTW - I don't know why - but your post isn't showing up for me on the group page. I don't have you blocked - and I don't have your subject/key words blocked. Thought you would like to know. Hence - why I have the subject line I do.

JustAnotherGen

(33,561 posts)
70. I figured out a way to see latest posts
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:11 PM
Aug 2016

I do my 'subscriptions' list - it's not just you - all posts since about Friday.

Tough for a group host.

sheshe2

(87,493 posts)
71. Glitch in the system.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:22 PM
Aug 2016

I can see where that would make your hosting duties difficult. Are the other hosts having problems?

caballojm

(281 posts)
26. We just watched "Selma" yesterday evening
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:15 PM
Aug 2016

during family movie night. Isn't it odd how the more things change the more they stay the same.

Ford_Prefect

(8,202 posts)
29. One significant problem is no national law regulates voting practices: each state does its own thing
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:35 PM
Aug 2016

Unlike most of the rest of the world there is no national law regulating who may vote, or how they are registered, or how voting districts are determined. Each state sets its own rules about who is eligible to vote, when they must register, what proof is required to register, what methods are used to record and count the vote, how and when the vote is canvassed and certified, what determines the boundaries of a voting district, how and when people may be removed from voting rolls, and what challenges may be made to that system or the vote count.

kacekwl

(7,508 posts)
34. You have to push aside the multitude
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 02:23 PM
Aug 2016

of Hillary e-mail , Hillary death bed , Trump everything stories and still never see this story on any MSM.

pansypoo53219

(21,724 posts)
35. secret? the gnewz media ate their BS votER fraud. ignoring CHEATING by the GOP to stay in power.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 02:39 PM
Aug 2016

no matter what. because they are sore losers.

suston96

(4,175 posts)
36. Better pay attention......
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 02:52 PM
Aug 2016

I believe Republicans control majority of election boards and such in the towns, counties and states.....

And they are backed by the US Constitution.....

Yeah! Better pay attention.......

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
37. Lawsuits targeting the persons doing this are needed. Lots and lots of lawsuits.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 03:00 PM
Aug 2016

Not to mention, putting an end to removing actual voters from registration rolls. That in itself is a real problem we can do something about with legal measures and lawsuits too. Plus, criminal indictments against anyone who removes a valid voter without legal cause would sure act as a deterrent.

uponit7771

(91,756 posts)
40. +1, this shit is the true anti American actions... In close races it tips the scales
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 03:13 PM
Aug 2016

... no doubt the ACLU or one of the big hitter organizations should be going after them.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
43. Well their methodology sounds interesting.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 03:58 PM
Aug 2016

Different people with the same or similar names. Mind-boggling, to a Republican.

We had Mark Swedlund, a database expert whose clients include eBay and American Express, look at the data from Georgia and Virginia, and he was shocked by Crosscheck's "childish methodology." He added, "God forbid your name is Garcia, of which there are 858,000 in the U.S., and your first name is Joseph or Jose. You're probably suspected of voting in 27 states."


 

pandora nm

(63 posts)
44. I found the Crosscheck "Memorandum of Understanding" (MOU) from 2013
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 04:27 PM
Aug 2016
https://www.aclupa.org/files/5413/9715/1471/DOS_RTK_cover_letter_3-10-141.pdf

I'll retype the first paragraph:

"Memorandum of Understanding For Interstate Voter Registration Data Comparison"

"This memorandum of Understanding is made between the chief state election officials respectively of the States of Alaska, Arizona,Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee and Virginia."

Spells out the whole program........

Mc Mike

(9,171 posts)
46. Thanks, pandora. I see the repugs are trying to push it here in PA.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 05:49 PM
Aug 2016

Thanks for finding and posting the info.

Mc Mike

(9,171 posts)
65. I don't know what his motivations could be.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 10:42 AM
Aug 2016

I'm signed up to be a election protection poll watcher again, here. I've been a poll worker, as a majority inspector of elections in my area quite a few times before, too, so I got to saw things from the inside.

I saw a man from the ACLU being interviewed on some national tv show(Rachel or Joy, can't remember which, sorry), and he said that every voter has a right to a provisional ballot, at minimum. But that option should be a last ditch one, because they threw a ton of those out in past elections. A determined voter can and should follow that provisional ballot up all the way, doggedly, if they get denied a regular ballot.

The League of Women Voters Vote411 site would be a good resource for anyone who is worried they might not be on the eligible voter list, and the 866 OUR VOTE (PFAW, NAACP, etc.) and the 866 MY VOTE 1 (Urban League) numbers should be given to any voter who might need protection, beforehand. In my opinion, it is a key get out the vote mobilizing tool. If you tell people their legal right to vote might be stolen or denied, it makes them more determined to vote. And the more people who are talking about voter protection and voter's rights, the more the bad guys are going to be afraid to steal it. They'll replay in their heads past footage they remember of crooked repug elections officials being perp walked.

Big turnout is key to keeping them from stealing it, but big turnout won't help if there are hours long lines to vote. Big turnouts are only good if the turned out people actually get to vote. Campaigning by giving people those numbers is a way to get them energized, mobilized, and prepared to do something about republican trump rove sproul skulduggery. I'd inform people of Vote411, OURVOTE and MYVOTE1 and tell them to contact all 3 if they have problems.

The Nation magazine was engaged in some voter protection efforts with Color of Change in '12, they just sent me an online article via e-mail on tRump's poll 'watcher' threats:
https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-is-encouraging-intimidation-and-racial-profiling-at-the-polls/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=daily

There are 2 good links in the article, one is about the '82 Consent Decree, forbidding any republican party officials, organizations, or agents or servants of the same, from engaging in any kind of ballot security or ballot integrity efforts, without prior court consent, especially in any areas where racial or ethnic makeup could be considered a reason for the activities. That's nationwide. The '82 consent decree:
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=85289

The other one is PA specific, because dRump said that he was going to send the police in to watch the polling places in those (dog whistle) areas where people are voting too many times. He wants to send racist rightwing trump supporting cops to watch Black and Hispanic polls. PA Title 25, Sec 3047 specifically states that the uniformed or plainclothes police aren't allowed within 100' of a polling place, unless voting, or called to preserve the peace. In no event are they to prevent any elector from voting or influence or overawe them or restrain their freedom of choice. PA election law against polling place 'policing':
https://govt.westlaw.com/pac/Document/NB1EA7150D0A011DEA63ECFA39685C638?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)

I had a young Black guy at one of my east city polls in 2012 come in and say that the machines were rigged, he had just got an election day phone text info blast that said 'Don't vote straight ticket, only vote for the President, if you vote straight ticket, the vote for the President won't show up.' I told him that in past elections, voting straight ticket HAD in some cases caused an inexplicable absence of the top Democratic candidate, and a bunch of unfunded downballot races wound up having a higher vote total than the well-funded top ticket Dem did. But the way around it was to vote each race one at a time, choosing the candidate from whichever party you like one at a time. It doesn't take a lot of time, even if you have a 5-6 page ballot like we have sometimes. And we have a review screen at the end before you push the final 'vote' button. I reported the sudden (Rove induced, in my opinion) rumor to the higher ups in election protection. The young guy seemed honest and outraged, but the rumor was very sudden and just would have depressed turnout for down ballot races, that the Prez wanted to go Democratic, too.

They're going to try to cheat, suppress, and steal, however they can, because their candidate is such a nauseatingly unappealing and nazified pile of droppings. So we have to be on our toes, like usual.

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
55. That is shocking.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:45 AM
Aug 2016

This should be immediately sent to the Clinton campaign, and to the Attorney General.

Shine a light on this and the cockroaches will scatter.

 

EV_Ares

(6,587 posts)
48. What I don't understand is why the Dems don't fight back like they could & should and a lot of this
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 06:37 PM
Aug 2016

could not be possible if it was not for the media as well.

You can expect this from the republicans but you did not expect the Dems to be so weak in resistance.

It is time as well for calling out the media on the way they cover Clinton vs. Trump & for stuff like this voter fraud BS.

Ligyron

(7,894 posts)
50. "All original data will be securely destroyed upon completion of the project"
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 07:05 PM
Aug 2016

The Memo of Understanding is a real eye opener. They are paranoid about the rolls they are using getting into the hands of the public.

JustAnotherGen

(33,561 posts)
59. That's where the Justice Department should be looking
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:24 AM
Aug 2016

I.E. - some sort of 'stop' against that happening.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
52. Maybe Trump has the rigged election right, he can say the big percentage of POC vote
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 07:43 PM
Aug 2016

And therefore he was denied their votes.

ProfessorPlum

(11,365 posts)
63. It would only take Democrats trying to do this to everyone named Smith, Jones, Williams, & Johnson
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 10:10 AM
Aug 2016

Just Once, and this bullshit would be over.

But Democrats don't want to win.

ProfessorPlum

(11,365 posts)
68. I guess I should qualify this
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 12:26 PM
Aug 2016

Democratic voters most definitely want to win.

But when have Democratic politicians made a peep about voter suppression, gerrymandering, voter ID laws, ACORN, Citizens United . . .

or for that matter, National Voting Holiday or moving election day to a Saturday or mail-in voting or mandatory voting?

Democratic politicians just float blithely along, allowing the census to be hijacked every 10 years to make the House unwinnable for Democrats, allow voting suppression to happen without a peep, allow the worst corruption to be legalized, and never say or do anything about it.

The rest of us are begging for them to wake up and start shouting and FIGHTING.

Black voters are going to save us from Trump this year, thank goodness, but it won't be because the Democratic party is vigorously fighting for their right to vote.

JustAnotherGen

(33,561 posts)
72. I agree with him sheshe
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:27 PM
Aug 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11878907



The clarification makes sense to me - when you see that post from a few years ago.


I've had anxiety about this - and have been 'vocal' about it IRL and here at DU for several years. In 2012 - those of us who had volunteered out in Bucks County PA as out of staters were on alert to assist citizens in PA. I'm noticing the info is on Ohio and North Carolina.

All of a sudden the NC ruling a few weeks ago - did it become obsolete?

And - I think he will never admit it -

But Kasich won't go along to get along and 'give' the election to Trump. He is going to run in 2020.


However, I don't trust these people - I just don't. This is going to take a pugnacious approach. I saw this on MSNBC yesterday morning, at DU - and then that's it.
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