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People on the alt left seem much more concerned about how pure booker is (Original Post) La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 OP
Purity does not concern me. HassleCat Jan 2017 #1
He's getting attention because he is testifying against his colleagues La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #3
Agree! We need lots more Booker type resistance... RiverStone Jan 2017 #16
+10,000. Media slant: breaking precedent, Hortensis Jan 2017 #65
I'm not sure what the alt left is? Stellar Jan 2017 #2
People who criticized obama non stop and voted La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #4
Okay, learn something every day. Thanks. nt Stellar Jan 2017 #5
It's very commonly used on twitter La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #6
Okay. I don't do Twitter but thanks anyway. Stellar Jan 2017 #8
Yep. 100% spot on! eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #7
Nailed it! I'm stealing this because I know you well enough, LOL. bettyellen Jan 2017 #55
It's fictitious. Like the "librul media" the right came up with. But now it's people that should brewens Jan 2017 #50
I've kind of had it up to here with... SaschaHM Jan 2017 #9
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #10
Some 14 Dems voted against the amendment BainsBane Jan 2017 #11
Because we are preparing to run a 85 year old La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #15
I agree. brer cat Jan 2017 #24
I'm concerned about his support for charter schools. Demit Jan 2017 #12
Do you now, or have you ever had, marybourg Jan 2017 #30
No. But I don't think he limits his support for charter schools to Newark. Demit Jan 2017 #32
No. But his perceptions, marybourg Jan 2017 #33
I'm assuming everyone who develops a policy does it based on perceptions & experiences. Demit Jan 2017 #39
Calling people more liberal than you alt left? Fearless Jan 2017 #13
No, calling people who only know how to destroy La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #14
The crowd who torpedoed Hubert Humphrey Ellen Forradalom Jan 2017 #25
Took the words out of my mouth. nycbos Jan 2017 #26
I have one of these types in my family Ellen Forradalom Jan 2017 #28
I used to be like that. nycbos Jan 2017 #29
Lily white? Fearless Jan 2017 #37
A longstanding expression Ellen Forradalom Jan 2017 #44
A long-standing homophobic slur. Fearless Jan 2017 #45
No, it's not Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #46
I "get that from" being gay myself. Fearless Jan 2017 #47
Oh, I'm gay as well...as the day is long Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #48
You're not the only gay in this village La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #59
Lily white is a long standing term La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #58
The only one on the left building coalitions is Sanders Fearless Jan 2017 #34
Sanders is not the only one building movement La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #36
And none of those are politicians in the Democratic party Fearless Jan 2017 #38
The alt left exists and is a destructive force La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #40
You're claiming an unquantifiable number of people Fearless Jan 2017 #42
You are wrong about the phrase, it does not mean all sanders primary voters La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #43
More liberal? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #22
66 million people voted for Clinton Fearless Jan 2017 #35
alt-left???? Really? bowens43 Jan 2017 #17
You haven't heard the term? And yes, they do disgust me La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #18
I am still trying to figure out how many of them were outright republican plants Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #23
Indeed. nycbos Jan 2017 #27
cory can be great for fightign sessions DonCoquixote Jan 2017 #60
What is disgusting Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #20
Agreed La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #41
Whenever Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #19
Same here. BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #21
Nailed it. Maven Jan 2017 #31
This. Nt Quayblue Jan 2017 #49
It's pretty messed up.... JHan Jan 2017 #51
Considering what 'Alt-right' means... FiveGoodMen Jan 2017 #52
Holy carp wryter2000 Jan 2017 #53
Using the term Alt Left creates a false equivalency JDC Jan 2017 #54
And yet another ad hominem Uponthegears Jan 2017 #56
The way you have articulated your criticism is not at all La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #57
I was hoping not Uponthegears Jan 2017 #61
I def don't. Saying I'm disappointed in XYZ dem La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #62
Yesterday I saw an OP that was pretty much just a headline about Booker being bad. betsuni Jan 2017 #63
Neostupid, is a fab term La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #64
"neo-stupid"... that wins. JHan Jan 2017 #66
The problem is the welfare chauvinist alt-left have SO POISONED the discussion forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #67
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Purity does not concern me.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:35 AM
Jan 2017

But I am worried that both my senators are among the Democrats who failed to do the right thing. I guess Booker is getting a lot of attention because his star is seen to be rising within the party.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
3. He's getting attention because he is testifying against his colleagues
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:38 AM
Jan 2017

Which is what all the Dems should do, when the colleague is Jeff Sessions

RiverStone

(7,241 posts)
16. Agree! We need lots more Booker type resistance...
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:39 AM
Jan 2017

Over the next 4 years!

Kudos to Cory for speaking out against another bigot in tRumps fascist regime!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
65. +10,000. Media slant: breaking precedent,
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 05:50 AM
Jan 2017

testifying against a colleague, as if breaking from the crowd is the key issue here. Disgusting.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
4. People who criticized obama non stop and voted
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:40 AM
Jan 2017

For stein or Johnson or stayed home and think we should have awarded Bernie the nomination although he got 4 million votes less.

People who call us neoliberals invested only in identity politics while ignoring the glorious WWC.

That type of people

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
50. It's fictitious. Like the "librul media" the right came up with. But now it's people that should
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:06 PM
Jan 2017

be on our side doing it to us. Our only choice now is supposed to be center-right to far-right. We can't expect our government to actually do anything for us with our tax dollars. Might as well put "In Goldman Sachs We Trust" on our money.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
9. I've kind of had it up to here with...
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:00 AM
Jan 2017

sanctimonious white progressives. Especially the ones on DU and the glee with which they go after PoC and women when they have done something that they don't like.

President Barack Obama.
John Lewis.
The Congressional Black Caucus.
Donna Brazile.
Now Cory Booker.

I'm just glad that DU isn't representative of the Democratic party because we would be shedding PoC like crazy if these "let's stop focusing on Identity Politics "Progressives"" were all that interacted with them. I'm also glad that PoC will be there to throw a wrench in their plan on ignoring us to try and court the WWC that left the party decades ago.

brer cat

(26,293 posts)
24. I agree.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:02 PM
Jan 2017

They are quick to make anyone not meeting their purity test into an enemy, not just someone they disagree with on certain issues. That is no way to build a coalition to defeat republicans.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
12. I'm concerned about his support for charter schools.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:39 AM
Jan 2017

I am not a fan of the movement to privatize education.

marybourg

(13,189 posts)
33. No. But his perceptions,
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:51 PM
Jan 2017

like all of our perceptions, are colored by his experiences.

I am very much against charter schools also, but I do have empathy for what Cory Booker was exposed to, and more importantly, what he was responsible for, when he was Mayor of Newark.

Although I don't agree with him on this subject, I don't hold his desire to do whatever possible for his constituents, whose school system was (and probably still is) in dire straits against him.

And - I think he's being singled out for criticism here.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
39. I'm assuming everyone who develops a policy does it based on perceptions & experiences.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jan 2017

Like Betsy DeVos, whose family has been using its wealth & influence to get rid of public education & instead divert taxpayer dollars into privatized education. If she's confirmed as Sec'y of Education, she'll be responsible for education policy and she'll have the power to implement nationwide what she believes in. Then look out, public education.

So I'm not singling out Corey Booker. He has a lot of company.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
14. No, calling people who only know how to destroy
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:47 AM
Jan 2017

Without having a clue about how to build coalitions the alt left.

Ellen Forradalom

(16,178 posts)
25. The crowd who torpedoed Hubert Humphrey
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:10 PM
Jan 2017

to give us Richard Nixon and Al Gore to gift us with George W. Bush is the same bunch who shit on Hillary to give us Trump. It is a pure exercise in privilege. I have no use for them.

Ellen Forradalom

(16,178 posts)
28. I have one of these types in my family
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:14 PM
Jan 2017

It is, in its own way, worse than dealing with a hardcore conservative. He's been living in lily white college enclaves for decades and dear God it shows.

Ellen Forradalom

(16,178 posts)
44. A longstanding expression
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:09 PM
Jan 2017

Meaning so very white in population as to resemble the lily flower, with politics to match.
See meaning #2 at Merriam Webster.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lily%E2%80%93white

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
46. No, it's not
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:33 PM
Jan 2017

I can cite the usage of the term "lily white" in black newspapers going back over 100 years.

It always was a pejorative...but never (to my knowledge) homophobic and I don't know where you get that from.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
48. Oh, I'm gay as well...as the day is long
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:53 PM
Jan 2017

I've never heard "lily white" used as a homophobic pejorative...now I have heard a very few black gays use but that's not as a homophobic term...

I can even cite my source...was surprised to find this in my files (I thought that I had trashed this once I no longer needed it)...

There's an old Chicago Defender story from 1916, I believe, headlined "White Lady Finds No 'Jim Crow' Cars in This City...it's a news story about a woman identified in the story as a "stubborn southern winch" who wanted to make a black woman give up her seat on a bus in Chicago. The black woman refused to move and the white woman spit on her...the white woman was arrested and released...I don't have the second page of the story but I do remember the use of the term "lily white" in the story and you can find the term more frequently than you might think in black newspapers circa 1910-1950.

It was not being used as a homophobic slur.

Now, I am not going to say that you haven't heard it used that way...but that would have been in a very different context not applicable to this context.

EDIT: You might also want to look at another use of the term which goes back to the 19th century and is quite applicable to today's politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-white_movement

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
58. Lily white is a long standing term
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 10:28 PM
Jan 2017

That has nothing to do with being queer.

Look up the lily white movement in the Republican Party for context.

Fearless

(18,458 posts)
34. The only one on the left building coalitions is Sanders
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:23 PM
Jan 2017

Or are you ignoring the hundreds of events he's sponsoring across the country this week?

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
36. Sanders is not the only one building movement
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:24 PM
Jan 2017

The NAACP, BLM, planned parenthood etc have been building movements continuously

Also it's interesting that you think this post is about Bernie

Fearless

(18,458 posts)
38. And none of those are politicians in the Democratic party
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:28 PM
Jan 2017

They're groups of people outside of politics.

I actually agree with your OP. Minus the alt left slur.

And it is a slur meant to denigrate the progressive Democratic population.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
40. The alt left exists and is a destructive force
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:32 PM
Jan 2017

Just because you want to make this about sanders, doesn't mean it is. The op is Not about sanders, and is about a small percentage of his supporters and those who voted third party.

The alt left needs to be less racist, and when they are, i can use nicer words to describe them but as long as they denigrate my issues by merely calling them identity politics, I will call them the alt left.

Fearless

(18,458 posts)
42. You're claiming an unquantifiable number of people
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:40 PM
Jan 2017

Made Trump win?

A neo liberal group?

Or a libertarian group?

The phrase alt left is used in common meaning as those who followed Bernie. But it's also those who believe FDR. Those who fight for equal rights for all groups.

If what you mean is people who voted third party or for Trump for racist reasons they are either neo liberal or libertarian depending on why they did so. Not alt left which is a slur against progressive democrats.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,537 posts)
22. More liberal?
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 11:51 AM
Jan 2017

People who may have voted 3rd party thus giving us Donald Trump are MORE liberal than the poster you are talking to?

Wow, I think I have now heard it ALL.

Fearless

(18,458 posts)
35. 66 million people voted for Clinton
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:24 PM
Jan 2017

62 million views for Trump. How many voted for a third party again???

Eliot Rosewater

(32,537 posts)
23. I am still trying to figure out how many of them were outright republican plants
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 11:54 AM
Jan 2017

from the "get-go."

Either there were millions of these extremely confused people who dont understand how a two party political system works or they were doing the work of either the Kremlin or the GOP or both.

Result is we have a situation that may actually mean the end of all life, certainly it will mean war and much death, only question is how much?

DonCoquixote

(13,712 posts)
60. cory can be great for fightign sessions
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 11:17 PM
Jan 2017

and horrible for denying people access to cheap canadian medicine. It is possible to like one action and dislike another.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
20. What is disgusting
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 10:20 AM
Jan 2017

are the ones who defend them and who act like they are pure while the rest of us should not have a voice

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
19. Whenever
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 10:17 AM
Jan 2017

the alt left gets angry about something, I do the opposite of what they are demanding. Most of the time I wait because eventually they all will get discredited

BlueMTexpat

(15,496 posts)
21. Same here.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 11:16 AM
Jan 2017

I thought that I was done with them in 2000 when they helped to give us Dubya.

But Trump is even worse. I am certainly finished with them now.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
31. Nailed it.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:39 PM
Jan 2017

Also interesting how little we've heard from Bernie re: Russian election interference and GOP treason.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
51. It's pretty messed up....
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:16 PM
Jan 2017

to see many criticize him with the same intensity they're criticizing the republican repeal of the ACA, if not more so.

I get the complexities but really?

JDC

(10,492 posts)
54. Using the term Alt Left creates a false equivalency
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:31 PM
Jan 2017

Comparing Liberals being more <or> less upset - in your opinion - with booker over a drug vote than the Sessions appointment to neo - nazi's is fucked up. The two don't do a side by side. That sounds like a trump idea.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
56. And yet another ad hominem
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:42 PM
Jan 2017

Nickname in lieu of a discussion of the issue.

Corey's testimony against Sessions (who, and not to minimize a certain PEOTUS' capacity for scuminess, is one of the most despicable people to walk the earth) was magnificent and inspiring.

His lesser-known opposition to the death penalty is courageous beyond belief given that many of his more moderate supporters might reject him for that reason alone.

His vote against the Sanders reimportation bill and in favor of the alternate reimportation bill with the unnecessary and ultra cost inflating "safety" test for drugs that were inspected before they ever left the country did not live up to either of the prior two.

As a black man I feel I should be able to say this without you throwing me in a pile with an infinitely small group of Stein/Greenwald/Putin aficionados. Sometime in the past 60 plus years I think I've earned that.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
61. I was hoping not
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 11:23 PM
Jan 2017

I remember how pissed I was when you were getting stalked by the crazies. I should have known you wouldn't have meant everyone.

Take care LLP

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
62. I def don't. Saying I'm disappointed in XYZ dem
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 11:26 PM
Jan 2017

Because of xyz action, is perfectly legit.

Calling dem leaders who are doing some real good work, neoliberal sell out etc, is what I am talking about

betsuni

(27,258 posts)
63. Yesterday I saw an OP that was pretty much just a headline about Booker being bad.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 11:36 PM
Jan 2017

And a whole thread throwing meaningless alt-left vocabulary words at him. All negativity, no discussion. I went over to Jezebel where there were informative and interesting discussions about Booker (and about Sessions).

Every time I see "neoliberal" flung at a Democrat, I think: how neostupid.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
67. The problem is the welfare chauvinist alt-left have SO POISONED the discussion
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 07:26 PM
Jan 2017

that we have no choice but to circle the wagons. I personally didn't like Booker's vote, but I already knew that he was nowhere near as left as I want him to be. But any discussion over the merits of a specific position just takes over the alt left screaming slogans and half-truths at people.

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